Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:55 am**

Frankenyota wrote:Hey Troll00 i got pulled over by the cops up the beach for my hilux being too high.
He told me it looked like i had a 5" lift, which wasn't a bad guess. Aprox 4"But he let me off with a warning.

So if the get a 4" lift maybe get it engineered so the cops wont hassle ya or fine ya.

Matt

To all you qlder's who keep talking about engineering large lifts - YOU CANNOT GET SUSPENSION LIFTS ENGINEERED IN QLD!
If you have a suspension lift over generally 2" (Law is 1/3 of bump stop travel or something similar????) you can get into serious trouble if you have an accident.

When are people going to realise this! It's annoying in the fact that people just do not know what they can and connot do to their vehicles. And it certainly doesn't help when qld transport aren't very clear on some modifications. If you don't check these things you can get yourself into serious trouble!

I hope the lawmakers someday wake up to themselves and realise that if done properly, a 4" lifted vehicle isn't going to be much different from a 2" lifted vehicle!
Qld, best state to live in besides these stupid restrictions!

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:27 pm**

plus its the insurance reasons of having an "unroad worthy vehicle"
if ya have an accident then maybe insurance will not pay out

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:03 pm**

So all you QLDers out there with bigger than 2'' lift kits are just driving around illegaly?
l thought mod plates would cover this?
How would i find out the standard bump stop clearance? As i would like to avoid being fined.

cheers
Matt

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:31 pm**

Frankenyota wrote:So all you QLDers out there with bigger than 2'' lift kits are just driving around illegaly?

Correct!

l thought mod plates would cover this?

No!

How would i find out the standard bump stop clearance? As i would like to avoid being fined.

You'll be the first to ever find out.

Posted: **Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:13 am**

hdn177 wrote:i wouldnt touch efs with $5000 dobinson all the way

Yep i will second that, stay away from EFS.

Posted: **Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:00 am**

You guy's that are bagging EFS, can you please give us a little more detail. I haven't heard to many bad reports about their gear so it would be good to know why you do not recommend them.

Posted: **Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:08 am**

Hey AussieGQ...

How is the new lift? Just spoke to John and he said you had it fitted last night.

Told you that the 30cent phonecall would be worth it

Posted: **Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:10 am**

Yeah mate, I went around last night and he fitted it for me. Although I haven't had a play yet, I'm really impressed with the ride and the hight.

Because my truck has the sway bar disconnect I still have to modify the disconnect rod, but for the time being I'll just remove the sway bar when playing.

John also warned me that the steering may be a bit iffy because of the castor. I found on the drive home that the steering was very very light so I'll speak to John about this and I might get some drop boxes from him.

Posted: **Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:56 am**

crosswire wrote:You guy's that are bagging EFS, can you please give us a little more detail. I haven't heard to many bad reports about their gear so it would be good to know why you do not recommend them.

Ok here we go. I had the EFS extreme shocks and EFS springs fitted and have been disapointed ever since. To start with it sagged 35mm on the passenger side after 2 weeks and all they done to fix it was put in spacers. I ordered a 4" lift but got 5" lift. Ok so after all the dramas its time to driving it, on road great, off road at normal touring speeds shit, it feels like im getting rattled to bits. Hit some courgations and and your off the other side of the road (dangerous). Now where my EFS suspension comes into its own is when im flying i mean racing flat out through the bush it works great. In my experience with EFS extremes they are a pure racing shock and thats it. Do yourself a favour and dont make the same mistake i did and cancell your order and buy something else. This is just my experience and opinion.

Posted: **Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:17 pm**

the efs extreme shocks only got released the week before christmas and i got them put in,i had pro comp and i will never use them again but am very happy with my efs shocks.

Posted: **Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:29 pm**

segan1 wrote:
crosswire wrote:You guy's that are bagging EFS, can you please give us a little more detail. I haven't heard to many bad reports about their gear so it would be good to know why you do not recommend them.
Ok here we go. I had the EFS extreme shocks and EFS springs fitted and have been disapointed ever since. To start with it sagged 35mm on the passenger side after 2 weeks and all they done to fix it was put in spacers. I ordered a 4" lift but got 5" lift. Ok so after all the dramas its time to driving it, on road great, off road at normal touring speeds shit, it feels like im getting rattled to bits. Hit some courgations and and your off the other side of the road (dangerous). Now where my EFS suspension comes into its own is when im flying i mean racing flat out through the bush it works great. In my experience with EFS extremes they are a pure racing shock and thats it. Do yourself a favour and dont make the same mistake i did and cancell your order and buy something else. This is just my experience and opinion.

Your problem isn't with the EFS product...your problem is that you were sold the wrong one.

If you aren't doing competition driving, then why would you need competition suspension? I would be blaming whoever sold it to you for not giving you the best product for your type of driving. Unfortunately there are a few places that will just sell you off-the-shelf kits without really getting into what you intend to do with your rig. That's where someone like John Zorden is excellent to deal with. Each suspension package he sells is best suited to what each peerson needs...even if its not what they wanted when they first spoke to him.

I am not sure what 4b you have, but your problem with the car being all over the road could be due to castor rather than shocks.

Find someone who knows about your vehicle and have it checked out.

Posted: **Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:33 pm**

Micka wrote: Your problem isn't with the EFS product...your problem is that you were sold the wrong one.

If you aren't doing competition driving, then why would you need competition suspension? I would be blaming whoever sold it to you for not giving you the best product for your type of driving. Unfortunately there are a few places that will just sell you off-the-shelf kits without really getting into what you intend to do with your rig. That's where someone like John Zorden is excellent to deal with. Each suspension package he sells is best suited to what each peerson needs...even if its not what they wanted when they first spoke to him.

I am not sure what 4b you have, but your problem with the car being all over the road could be due to castor rather than shocks.

Find someone who knows about your vehicle and have it checked out.

I couldn't agree more.

Posted: **Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:57 pm**

Micka wrote:
segan1 wrote:
crosswire wrote:You guy's that are bagging EFS, can you please give us a little more detail. I haven't heard to many bad reports about their gear so it would be good to know why you do not recommend them.
Ok here we go. I had the EFS extreme shocks and EFS springs fitted and have been disapointed ever since. To start with it sagged 35mm on the passenger side after 2 weeks and all they done to fix it was put in spacers. I ordered a 4" lift but got 5" lift. Ok so after all the dramas its time to driving it, on road great, off road at normal touring speeds shit, it feels like im getting rattled to bits. Hit some courgations and and your off the other side of the road (dangerous). Now where my EFS suspension comes into its own is when im flying i mean racing flat out through the bush it works great. In my experience with EFS extremes they are a pure racing shock and thats it. Do yourself a favour and dont make the same mistake i did and cancell your order and buy something else. This is just my experience and opinion.
Your problem isn't with the EFS product...your problem is that you were sold the wrong one.

If you aren't doing competition driving, then why would you need competition suspension? I would be blaming whoever sold it to you for not giving you the best product for your type of driving. Unfortunately there are a few places that will just sell you off-the-shelf kits without really getting into what you intend to do with your rig. That's where someone like John Zorden is excellent to deal with. Each suspension package he sells is best suited to what each peerson needs...even if its not what they wanted when they first spoke to him.

I am not sure what 4b you have, but your problem with the car being all over the road could be due to castor rather than shocks.

Find someone who knows about your vehicle and have it checked out.

I think the springs sagging 35mm on the passenger side is defently an EFS problem no one elses. As for the car jumping to the other side of the road when i go over coruagations thats because the suspension is so stiff.

Posted: **Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:27 am**

segan1 wrote:
crosswire wrote:You guy's that are bagging EFS, can you please give us a little more detail. I haven't heard to many bad reports about their gear so it would be good to know why you do not recommend them.
Ok here we go. I had the EFS extreme shocks and EFS springs fitted and have been disapointed ever since. To start with it sagged 35mm on the passenger side after 2 weeks and all they done to fix it was put in spacers. I ordered a 4" lift but got 5" lift. Ok so after all the dramas its time to driving it, on road great, off road at normal touring speeds shit, it feels like im getting rattled to bits. Hit some courgations and and your off the other side of the road (dangerous). Now where my EFS suspension comes into its own is when im flying i mean racing flat out through the bush it works great. In my experience with EFS extremes they are a pure racing shock and thats it. Do yourself a favour and dont make the same mistake i did and cancell your order and buy something else. This is just my experience and opinion.

Its seems there has been a misunderstanding the extreme shocks that i have had in for a couple of months now were prototypes and are valved differently to the ones that are on the market now. I have gone straight to the sorce 2day and rang EFS direct they are doing all the can to fix my situation. 10-10 for the customer service guys. Thanks EFS.

Posted: **Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:44 am**

segan1 wrote:
segan1 wrote:
crosswire wrote:You guy's that are bagging EFS, can you please give us a little more detail. I haven't heard to many bad reports about their gear so it would be good to know why you do not recommend them.
Ok here we go. I had the EFS extreme shocks and EFS springs fitted and have been disapointed ever since. To start with it sagged 35mm on the passenger side after 2 weeks and all they done to fix it was put in spacers. I ordered a 4" lift but got 5" lift. Ok so after all the dramas its time to driving it, on road great, off road at normal touring speeds shit, it feels like im getting rattled to bits. Hit some courgations and and your off the other side of the road (dangerous). Now where my EFS suspension comes into its own is when im flying i mean racing flat out through the bush it works great. In my experience with EFS extremes they are a pure racing shock and thats it. Do yourself a favour and dont make the same mistake i did and cancell your order and buy something else. This is just my experience and opinion.
Its seems there has been a misunderstanding the extreme shocks that i have had in for a couple of months now were prototypes and are valved differently to the ones that are on the market now. I have gone straight to the sorce 2day and rang EFS direct they are doing all the can to fix my situation. 10-10 for the customer service guys. Thanks EFS.

Good to see they are looking after you.
Make sure you let us know if it is all sorted out without any more drama's.
Thumbs up to EFS!

Posted: **Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:54 pm**

Hi guys, I thought I would post few pictures of my truck with the new suspension and wheels fitted.

Pretty good flex I reckon

Ouch

Possibly time to get my hands on a stronger rear bar

Posted: **Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:34 pm**

segan1 wrote:
segan1 wrote:
crosswire wrote:You guy's that are bagging EFS, can you please give us a little more detail. I haven't heard to many bad reports about their gear so it would be good to know why you do not recommend them.
Ok here we go. I had the EFS extreme shocks and EFS springs fitted and have been disapointed ever since. To start with it sagged 35mm on the passenger side after 2 weeks and all they done to fix it was put in spacers. I ordered a 4" lift but got 5" lift. Ok so after all the dramas its time to driving it, on road great, off road at normal touring speeds shit, it feels like im getting rattled to bits. Hit some courgations and and your off the other side of the road (dangerous). Now where my EFS suspension comes into its own is when im flying i mean racing flat out through the bush it works great. In my experience with EFS extremes they are a pure racing shock and thats it. Do yourself a favour and dont make the same mistake i did and cancell your order and buy something else. This is just my experience and opinion.
Its seems there has been a misunderstanding the extreme shocks that i have had in for a couple of months now were prototypes and are valved differently to the ones that are on the market now. I have gone straight to the sorce 2day and rang EFS direct they are doing all the can to fix my situation. 10-10 for the customer service guys. Thanks EFS.

That's excellent news!!!

Happy to hear that EFS is looking after you. Good thing you posted up your problems on here and got some feedback, otherwise you may have just assumed it was normal and put up with it.

Really, you should have gone to get replacment springs as soon as you noticed the sag. Any place worth dealing with would have replaced them.

Posted: **Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:29 pm**

3" lift- awesome flex so who is a happy chappy.

Posted: **Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:34 pm**

Yeah I'm pretty happy. The busted light is a little upsetting though

I'm real happy with it. Thanks John.

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:43 am**

Well EFS has come good with the replacement shocks. Thanks to Charlie and the rest of the team at EFS. Great customers service thanks guys.

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:00 am**

segan1.thats good ur finely HAPPY aint it lol later mate

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:08 am**

Cossie wrote:
AussieGQ wrote:
Cossie wrote:I wouldn't wipe my ass on Dobinson springs....been there, done that

check the spring rates of the springs you have been offered and compare them to the others, OME etc.
Dobinson springs cant be too bad if fourtyhundred other people on this forum are happy with them.

Alright, I'll save you the hard work...

I had 4" lift dobinsons on my GQ, these are the spring rates:

C45-100T 55.9 n/mm - 319 P.S.I. (front)
C45-113T 51.6 n/mm - 295 P.S.I. (rear)

I changed to OME 4" lift springs, spring rates:

FRONT COIL RATE : 250 LBS REAR COIL RATE: 290 LBS

Dobinsons front coil was almost 30% stiffer than OME, yet when swapped the front ride height was the same (OME a tiny bit higher if anything.)

These springs made mine crash over any bumpy roads and shock the whole car.

GQ's are known to be a bit lacking in front flex, you do not want to hamper this further with uselessly stiff springs.

Mine also sat lower on the back than the front - any halfwit can tell you this is very wrong and makes for very poor handling, even before loading the car up.

I changed to OME springs and the car raked perfectly and drives 100 times better.

So I stand by my judgement of Dobinsons, and repeat, check the spring rates carefully before purchasing and also ask the store what they will do about it if you decide they are unsuitable once fitted.

i have dobinson springs and efs shocks more than happy with them and they get an absolute caning.

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:10 am**

we got efs all round and dad loves em

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:58 pm**

i have used John's stuff more times then i count, without taking off my shoes and socks. He knows his stuff, you won't be dissapointed.

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