Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Shadow wrote:

CRUSHU wrote:

GQ4.8coilcab wrote:

badger wrote:i love the way u all say get it engineered.
35's cant be made legal in qld.
more then 2+2 lift is illegal
increased wheel track is illegal over sfa increase
not to mention all the other mods

live in vic
but on a serious not, that sucks

I don't see how it is any easier in VIC? The rules still say no more than 1/3rd increase from bumpstops, not much track or height increase etc.

And a QLD mod plate is $75, in VIC an engineers is hundreds!

A mod plate isnt $75 in qld, dunno where you got that idea from

Engineers charge whatever they want in QLD just like everywhere else.

To get a seat complianced can cost between $120 and $400 depending on who you see.

If you have multiple mods, the engineer must inspect and approve ALL mods, even if the mods have been approved previously.

where does this sort of shite come from.

i have paid many times on different vehicles $77inc for the first code $35 for each additional on the same plate. i have had mods added and updated and they just attatch another plate. i have 3 plates. if you use an engineer you are wasting money. its the same code on the same plate.

Shadow wrote: To get a seat complianced can cost between $120 and $400 depending on who you see.

If you have multiple mods, the engineer must inspect and approve ALL mods, even if the mods have been approved previously.

As posted by Bru, I don't know WTF you are talking about.

In QLD there are "approved officers" and "automotive engineers". Most mods just need to be inspected and approved by an approved officer. e.g. it cost about $60 for me to get my replacement seats inspected and mod plated.

Only mods that are too extensive for the approved officer system must go through an engineer. But approved officers can approve a lot of things, including major engine and suspension mods.

So in QLD you cant put wider diffs under a particular vehicle?

In NSW atleast you can put wider diffs under but not increase the factory track.

Is this correct?

-Richo- wrote:So in QLD you cant put wider diffs under a particular vehicle?

In NSW atleast you can put wider diffs under but not increase the factory track.

Is this correct?

Where did you hear that? In QLD you are allowed to go 50mm wider in track if Solid axle F&R. So if the diffs are any wider than that you would have to fit rims which bring the track down to the +50mm rule.

Shadow wrote:

CRUSHU wrote:

GQ4.8coilcab wrote:

badger wrote:i love the way u all say get it engineered.
35's cant be made legal in qld.
more then 2+2 lift is illegal
increased wheel track is illegal over sfa increase
not to mention all the other mods

live in vic
but on a serious not, that sucks

I don't see how it is any easier in VIC? The rules still say no more than 1/3rd increase from bumpstops, not much track or height increase etc.

And a QLD mod plate is $75, in VIC an engineers is hundreds!

A mod plate isnt $75 in qld, dunno where you got that idea from

Engineers charge whatever they want in QLD just like everywhere else.

To get a seat complianced can cost between $120 and $400 depending on who you see.

If you have multiple mods, the engineer must inspect and approve ALL mods, even if the mods have been approved previously.

You have either been ripped off in the past or have never actually had to get a mod plate fitted and are just going on the BS your mates have heard from a mate of a mate then told you.

I just got a turbo conversion mod plated for $55. I have had all sorts of mods plated over the last 15 years and i cant remember paying more than $85 and that was for multiple codes. Yes some places charge stupid prices because there is only a recomended guidline on pricing and there are a lot of stupid people around willing to pay big $$$ because they think they need to. Its the same for a roadworthy there is no set price only a recomended price which last time i checked was $52.

Well, in Vic, I have not heard of an engineers being done for less than $500, if someone has, please let me know.

CRUSHU wrote:Well, in Vic, I have not heard of an engineers being done for less than $500, if someone has, please let me know.

See in QLD its not an Engineers report at all. There are certain mods you can and cant do. The ones you can do are well documented and the guy complying your vehicle knows how it can and cant be done. Its simply one pice of paperwork that they fill out. Generaly you dont need to supply any documentation at all. Outside of these guidlines it starts to cost a little more and only certain places have the ability to comply these mods.

RUFF wrote:

CRUSHU wrote:Well, in Vic, I have not heard of an engineers being done for less than $500, if someone has, please let me know.

See in QLD its not an Engineers report at all. There are certain mods you can and cant do. The ones you can do are well documented and the guy complying your vehicle knows how it can and cant be done. Its simply one pice of paperwork that they fill out. Generaly you dont need to supply any documentation at all. Outside of these guidlines it starts to cost a little more and only certain places have the ability to comply these mods.

People complain about mod rules in QLD, but this is actually a good system, and not $$$ like in other states.

As an aside - when I turned my Landie into a ute, the guy doing the mod plate for the seats told me the ute conversion didn't need a mod plate. Since it was bolt on/off there was no mod code for it. Took me about an hour to convince transport of that and they had to phone my engineer and transport head office...

We need that here....

Vic roads need an engineers report for 2" bodylift fitted after a certain date, aug 2005 I think. Funnily enough, my body lift must have been fitted just before

CRUSHU wrote:We need that here....

Vic roads need an engineers report for 2" bodylift fitted after a certain date, aug 2005 I think. Funnily enough, my body lift must have been fitted just before

Body lift is the one thing(and the only i know of) that needs Pre Approval from Queensland Transport and you need to submit your aplication in writing to QT before doing this mod. You then need to produce the vehicle at a QT inspection station for them to sign off on the mod. At this point in time they generaly go right over the vehicle as well. Im not even sure they issue a modification plate for this.

Shadow wrote:

The rhino buggies (hummer things made at yatala) which are dropped on MQ patrol chassis are engineered as ICV's in QLD. Even these vehicles are relegated to 31" tyres.

I think the rhino buggies guy is on here, so maybe he can chime in, but of the 2 I know that have been registered in QLD neither was registered with more than 31" tyres.

I just took mine to perth today for inspection ( Rhinobuggies Hammer).
The 35's and 15x10's passed without even a look from the inspector, cause the engineer approved them and he gave me a tire placard for the door, he even said I could go to 37's cause the tire placard says 35's and I can go 500mm bigger
Hoppy

RUFF wrote:

CRUSHU wrote:Well, in Vic, I have not heard of an engineers being done for less than $500, if someone has, please let me know.

See in QLD its not an Engineers report at all. There are certain mods you can and cant do. The ones you can do are well documented and the guy complying your vehicle knows how it can and cant be done. Its simply one pice of paperwork that they fill out. Generaly you dont need to supply any documentation at all. Outside of these guidlines it starts to cost a little more and only certain places have the ability to comply these mods.

this is pretty true. ie a mod plater and engineer are one and the same (they have apply to get each mod code on their own list (big blue plate on the wall with LA1,LK2 LK2 ETC), then they can approve that code). the only one i know of that mod platers cannot do is chassis chop ($125 engineer approval).

However - you can do anything (ie 44's etc) as long as you meet adr's. In order to do this you need to design and list the components used and apply directly to qld transport for review. An engineer needs to be consulted for such mods and they review the way each affects every adr. ie lights will be lowered to be within xmm from ground as per adrxx, etc. In reality qld transport will find holes that the engineer will need to readdress and resubmit to qld transport etc. I am told this can go on for some time (hoping the individual loses interest). The costs are a once off of $75 from qld transport from memory and a few hunge from an engineer to compile and submit the info etc

so there are possibilities etc they just need exploring!

cheers bru

ISUZUROVER wrote:

-Richo- wrote:So in QLD you cant put wider diffs under a particular vehicle?

In NSW atleast you can put wider diffs under but not increase the factory track.

Is this correct?

Where did you hear that? In QLD you are allowed to go 50mm wider in track if Solid axle F&R. So if the diffs are any wider than that you would have to fit rims which bring the track down to the +50mm rule.

i think there was mention of this early in the thread, but i have also seen qlders posting up about shortening GQ diffs for a hilux etc. But from what you said its true, you cant increase the track more than 50mm over the vehicles factory width no matter what diffs you put under it.

In this case my hilux would be illegal in qld.

This being true how do vehicles like the mogrover get rego'd and engineered in qld? (not picking on the mog just an example...)

-Richo- wrote:
i think there was mention of this early in the thread, but i have also seen qlders posting up about shortening GQ diffs for a hilux etc. But from what you said its true, you cant increase the track more than 50mm over the vehicles factory width no matter what diffs you put under it.

In this case my hilux would be illegal in qld.

This being true how do vehicles like the mogrover get rego'd and engineered in qld? (not picking on the mog just an example...)

As with almost every registered comp vehicle in Aus. Not everything is complied and in the Mogs case it never see's the road.

I think that in QLD the Rhinobuggies kits a classed as a re-body ( take the patrol body off and replace it with another ADR approved body), so they still have to comply to year of manufature, in WA the kits are classed as an ICV and mine gets licenced with a year of manufacture as 2007.

So, if in WA if you were to take the body off a SWB GQ patrol and replace it with a GQ ute body and custom tray it could be classed as an ICV, cause thats basically what I had to do with the MK Wagon to turn it into a Hummer.
Just a thought.
Hoppy

i think people are wondering HOW these cars are registered. Dont you ever have to get a car inspected in Qld for registration renewal? Or can you just pay the renewal every year and it stays registered ? Im not talking about inspection for modifications or engineering, just a registration inspection for renewal. Where i live cars need to pass an inspection every year just to get the registration renewed. What are the requirements for other states?? I guess if you dont need any inspection to get registration renewed then all you gotta do is pay the money each year!

Tojo wrote:i think people are wondering HOW these cars are registered. Dont you ever have to get a car inspected in Qld for registration renewal? Or can you just pay the renewal every year and it stays registered ? Im not talking about inspection for modifications or engineering, just a registration inspection for renewal. Where i live cars need to pass an inspection every year just to get the registration renewed. What are the requirements for other states?? I guess if you dont need any inspection to get registration renewed then all you gotta do is pay the money each year!

IN QLD as victoria, unless you are inspected at the side of the road, continuous registration applies.

you are allowed to increase the track as much as you like - just not by more than 50mm using rim / tyre fitment only. I fitted gu diffs which are wider and its legal, mod plated etc as they are from a wider vehicle. it goes on the donor diffs provided the body / guard / flare still hides the tyre when viewed from above.

-Richo- wrote:

ISUZUROVER wrote:

-Richo- wrote:So in QLD you cant put wider diffs under a particular vehicle?

In NSW atleast you can put wider diffs under but not increase the factory track.

Is this correct?

Where did you hear that? In QLD you are allowed to go 50mm wider in track if Solid axle F&R. So if the diffs are any wider than that you would have to fit rims which bring the track down to the +50mm rule.

i think there was mention of this early in the thread, but i have also seen qlders posting up about shortening GQ diffs for a hilux etc. But from what you said its true, you cant increase the track more than 50mm over the vehicles factory width no matter what diffs you put under it.

In this case my hilux would be illegal in qld.

This being true how do vehicles like the mogrover get rego'd and engineered in qld? (not picking on the mog just an example...)

From what I understand on this point is that if the track is 50mm wider than the factory width of the axle then it is illegal Eg wheel spacers or offset rims. but if you put wider axles under it you can get it approved so long as the track is no wider than 50mm of the factory width of the donor axle. Eg 80 series axle on a 70 series can be engineered providing the axles are no more than 50mm wider than when they are on the 80 series.
And of course, as long as your guards or some flairs cover the wheels.

I've got a diahatsu f65 that i have linked and put mq diffs under, v6 auto, cutting the body down to extra cab, talked to the blue plate man about it and he dosen't have a problem with it, as long as it is all done in a trademans like manner and is road worthy.

they way to get around the tyre issue is to take them with u i guess its a bit of a pain but thats away around it

midi73 wrote:

-Richo- wrote:

ISUZUROVER wrote:

-Richo- wrote:So in QLD you cant put wider diffs under a particular vehicle?

In NSW atleast you can put wider diffs under but not increase the factory track.

Is this correct?

Where did you hear that? In QLD you are allowed to go 50mm wider in track if Solid axle F&R. So if the diffs are any wider than that you would have to fit rims which bring the track down to the +50mm rule.

i think there was mention of this early in the thread, but i have also seen qlders posting up about shortening GQ diffs for a hilux etc. But from what you said its true, you cant increase the track more than 50mm over the vehicles factory width no matter what diffs you put under it.

In this case my hilux would be illegal in qld.

This being true how do vehicles like the mogrover get rego'd and engineered in qld? (not picking on the mog just an example...)

From what I understand on this point is that if the track is 50mm wider than the factory width of the axle then it is illegal Eg wheel spacers or offset rims. but if you put wider axles under it you can get it approved so long as the track is no wider than 50mm of the factory width of the donor axle. Eg 80 series axle on a 70 series can be engineered providing the axles are no more than 50mm wider than when they are on the 80 series.
And of course, as long as your guards or some flairs cover the wheels.

Fair enough then thats exactly the same as NSW.

Ezookiel wrote:If A car that is engineered and registered in NSW ok, but then bought by someone in ACT, what has to be done to change the rego to ACT?
Does it need new engineers certs or can the NSW one be transferred with the rego, or .... ????

Just asking, cause you all know the crap I've had from my POS and should I find something elsewhere, it sure would be nice if I didn't have to start from scratch with the modding. But the last thing I need is anymore carp to have to deal with, so if it's not a straightforward change, then nothing is worth that sort of hassles - even if the car doesn't overheat

Yes mate it does. Everything has to be rechecked off by an engineer in the state which you live.

Cheers Mick.

the 2 engineers i spoke to both said that it went on the original vehicles track not the one the doner axels come from

badger wrote:the 2 engineers i spoke to both said that it went on the original vehicles track not the one the doner axels come from

the guy that passed mine said it was the donor's. also he was happy to plate gu diffs into a hilux as long as they were covered.

in qld there are so many discrepancies depending on who you talk to. or listen to on ol

this is pretty true. ie a mod plater and engineer are one and the same (they have apply to get each mod code on their own list (big blue plate on the wall with LA1,LK2 LK2 ETC), then they can approve that code). the only one i know of that mod platers cannot do is chassis chop ($125 engineer approval).

However - you can do anything (ie 44's etc) as long as you meet adr's. In order to do this you need to design and list the components used and apply directly to qld transport for review. An engineer needs to be consulted for such mods and they review the way each affects every adr. ie lights will be lowered to be within xmm from ground as per adrxx, etc. In reality qld transport will find holes that the engineer will need to readdress and resubmit to qld transport etc. I am told this can go on for some time (hoping the individual loses interest). The costs are a once off of $75 from qld transport from memory and a few hunge from an engineer to compile and submit the info etc

so there are possibilities etc they just need exploring!

cheers bru[/quote]

hey bru
you reckon i could get my 80 engineered its got a four suspension im gonna take bodylift out as it looks huge. so that should tame it down an 80 with 4 susp 35 tyres looks neet doesnt it.
the x link will be the hurdle but run both swaybars he wont knw the difference ill paint it black and call it a diff guard
any help would be great bru
cheers mick

Hows the Lotus going Bro?

bru21 wrote:

badger wrote:the 2 engineers i spoke to both said that it went on the original vehicles track not the one the doner axels come from

the guy that passed mine said it was the donor's. also he was happy to plate gu diffs into a hilux as long as they were covered.

in qld there are so many discrepancies depending on who you talk to. or listen to on ol

The guy who used to post on here (engineer from Gympie) told me it was original not donor too in a couple of pm's we exchanged.

wish i had been able to find these engineers before i gave up on my bundy
might come in handy on my next toy anyway

kirragc wrote:Hows the Lotus going Bro?

sweet mate. all lights are working, dash fully wired apart from seat belt warning lights and engine immobilizer. just the floor carpet and paint touch up, mount seatbelts, and a better fuel tank and will go for inspection. god damn its fast, its actually stupid fast. a 4age may have been better for fun driving, the s15 sr20det is lethal

cheers mate bru