Outer Limits 4x4 Board

The other issue in a SWB is length .. If you can do a V6 swap into a sierra for $800 I would love to see it (actually I would love to see it move for that kind of $$)

The gearbox adapter alone is $1000 new (if you use a hilux T/Case) A sierra case would be marginal with that kind of power if wheeled with decent rubber.

YOu need to source and install an EFI pump and lines, do something about the power steering pump, and then you have to try to cool the mongeral (after swapping out an all alloy 1.3 with plenty of airflow around it to an iron block 3.8 litre motor (almost 3 times the size) with poor airflow around the motor. So a decent 3 or 4 core raditor is needed (unlike a hilux or other larger 4x4 where the cooling system is able to keep a lid on the heat under most situations) and the driveline is more up to the new found torque.

VL pump and lines HEEPs cheep
i was looking at a V8 commi radiatior
the only thing i have to worry about is adaptor for x-case and case.
i have a feelig the commi v6 wont break gq diffs
i recon bar the radiator i can do the conversion for $1000. i have some one that will do the wiring etc

what year model vitara motor would i be looking for
injected and or carby

Red_Zook wrote:VL pump and lines HEEPs cheep
i was looking at a V8 commi radiatior
the only thing i have to worry about is adaptor for x-case and case.
i have a feelig the commi v6 wont break gq diffs
i recon bar the radiator i can do the conversion for $1000. i have some one that will do the wiring etc

I have watched a turbo 2.8 lux smash GQ diff parts. PM Hypozook. In the end i think he resolved the issues though.

Layto....

Red_Zook wrote:VL pump and lines HEEPs cheep
i was looking at a V8 commi radiatior
the only thing i have to worry about is adaptor for x-case and case.
i have a feelig the commi v6 wont break gq diffs
i recon bar the radiator i can do the conversion for $1000. i have some one that will do the wiring etc

what T/case are you using ... ?

If you can do it for a grand I would love to see it as, I may start planning to swap out my 2l-t from my lux once I get my Zuk going.

albey wrote:what year model vitara motor would i be looking for
injected and or carby

from the very first gen vits with 8 valve heads until mid 90's from memory (had the cream of the crop with the 16v efi motor)

lay80n wrote:

Red_Zook wrote:VL pump and lines HEEPs cheep
i was looking at a V8 commi radiatior
the only thing i have to worry about is adaptor for x-case and case.
i have a feelig the commi v6 wont break gq diffs
i recon bar the radiator i can do the conversion for $1000. i have some one that will do the wiring etc

I have watched a turbo 2.8 lux smash GQ diff parts. PM Hypozook. In the end i think he resolved the issues though.

Layto....

Thats what twin transfers and the associated torque multiplication does....

lay80n wrote:

Red_Zook wrote:VL pump and lines HEEPs cheep
i was looking at a V8 commi radiatior
the only thing i have to worry about is adaptor for x-case and case.
i have a feelig the commi v6 wont break gq diffs
i recon bar the radiator i can do the conversion for $1000. i have some one that will do the wiring etc

I have watched a turbo 2.8 lux smash GQ diff parts. PM Hypozook. In the end i think he resolved the issues though.

Layto....

i have watched a fuel injected zuk 1.3 smash gq cv's on 37's

Red_Zook wrote:ok after bagging the conversion..
im now looking at doing it.
just wondering does any one know what kinda price im in for in the addaptor. to x-case
and total weight in the conversion.

the reason im looking at it is. i have thought about it
for power, reliabilty and proberbly econemy.
it must be auto..
couldnt realy go past it for price!!
come on like 130kw heeps of taque and all for like $800
and since im now going to be running GQ's and coils might as well go all out!!

does any one actualy have pics of one in a zook??

You wont get much change from $1000 and thats just for the transmision to transfer adaptor
http://www.marks4wd.com/products/engine ... iluxa.html
http://www.marks4wd.com/images/products ... K313-5.jpg

thats fair
but using a auto takes a SHITLODE of the shock forcing out of the drive line.
and it depends on tire size and HOW YOU DRIVE IT
if your smashing gq bits, just think about what it would be doing to zook bits?

i may still look at the 4age parth unshore at this time

Also looking into a new donk, the old girls got 245k on the clock and likes to smoke... and rattle... yet to roll...

so many choices... so little cash...

4age, 660cc turbo cap., vit 16v, reco'd 1.3,Boat Anchors..., guess the options are endless depending on the $$ you have to spare..

Am planning to pick up an 86 zuk that has "skipped a gear on the timing belt" apperently.. any options rather than strippin her down and inspecting?!?

Any one out North East Melb. available for a second opinion.. test pilot.. looking towards moose n BFT indirectly...

evanstaniland wrote:would something like a subaru engine work like a liberty or wrx engine???

if you want poke look at some street cars as doners like the Lexus v8 is sweet for a hilux so you might want to look at the smaller ones!

liberty engine
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/RECONDITIONED-SU ... dZViewItem

WRX engine
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Subaru-Wrx-1998- ... dZViewItem

Forester engine
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/SUBARU-IMPREZA-F ... dZViewItem

Lancer engine
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mitsubishi-Lance ... dZViewItem


Evan..

If anyone is every interested in going down this path let me know as I previously ownded a modified WRX and have a fair bit of knowledge

nicbeer wrote:Subaru engines are not a good choice as from a previous thread as they are v/wide. + boxs are weak.

Not in all models, the 6 speed is basically indestructable and torque would be on tap.

The is guy running over 300kw atw (around 370 flywheel) with these standard boxes

thats fully sick and all

but what year did the first injected 1.6 come in please


and what transfer and g\box do i use are the uin's the same size?
what mods would i be looking at doing?

albey wrote:thats fully sick and all

but what year did the first injected 1.6 come in please


and what transfer and g\box do i use are the uin's the same size?
what mods would i be looking at doing?

search. been covered plenty before. even look at my build thread.

G16B is what u are looking for.

Nic

Commodore gear
engine is 180kg
tranny is 70kg

This is what i have read

albey wrote:thats fully sick and all

but what year did the first injected 1.6 come in please


and what transfer and g\box do i use are the uin's the same size?
what mods would i be looking at doing?

Personally I would buy a carbie motor and do EFI later on when you turbo / supercharge it. ( you know you will, just sell the galxie )

I would also use the vitara gearbox as its easyier to just swap the lot over and I think from memory the vitara has more usable ratios.

The Viatra carby motor that was in my '91 SWB was a '92 model and it went really well considering it was running 31's and no gearing.

Easily sat on 120 coming down the F3 when I picked it up, But i was a wild ride.

If can get your hands on a crashed one with damage to the back you should pick it up pretty cheap and then you can flog the rest of the crap on e-Bay.

So 1.6L vitara and gearbox with STD sierra transfer / gears if you have them.

Cheers Nick

CWBYUP wrote:

albey wrote:thats fully sick and all

but what year did the first injected 1.6 come in please


and what transfer and g\box do i use are the uin's the same size?
what mods would i be looking at doing?

Personally I would buy a carbie motor and do EFI later on when you turbo / supercharge it. ( you know you will, just sell the galxie )

I would also use the vitara gearbox as its easyier to just swap the lot over and I think from memory the vitara has more usable ratios.

The Viatra carby motor that was in my '91 SWB was a '92 model and it went really well considering it was running 31's and no gearing.

Easily sat on 120 coming down the F3 when I picked it up, But i was a wild ride.

If can get your hands on a crashed one with damage to the back you should pick it up pretty cheap and then you can flog the rest of the crap on e-Bay.

So 1.6L vitara and gearbox with STD sierra transfer / gears if you have them.

Cheers Nick

Dont bother with carby if you want to wheel it hard, as the carby will give you grief on angles. Go injection straight away, you will love it

Layto....

4age and auto

lay80n wrote:

CWBYUP wrote:

albey wrote:thats fully sick and all

but what year did the first injected 1.6 come in please


and what transfer and g\box do i use are the uin's the same size?
what mods would i be looking at doing?

Personally I would buy a carbie motor and do EFI later on when you turbo / supercharge it. ( you know you will, just sell the galxie )

I would also use the vitara gearbox as its easyier to just swap the lot over and I think from memory the vitara has more usable ratios.

The Viatra carby motor that was in my '91 SWB was a '92 model and it went really well considering it was running 31's and no gearing.

Easily sat on 120 coming down the F3 when I picked it up, But i was a wild ride.

If can get your hands on a crashed one with damage to the back you should pick it up pretty cheap and then you can flog the rest of the crap on e-Bay.

So 1.6L vitara and gearbox with STD sierra transfer / gears if you have them.

Cheers Nick

Dont bother with carby if you want to wheel it hard, as the carby will give you grief on angles. Go injection straight away, you will love it

Layto....

This depends on the car and the carby I had near vertical before it stopped and i was more scared that i was going to flip it backward than the car stopping

Near vertical .. I doubt, once past 45 to 50 degrees you WILL run out of fuel with a carb'd motor.. much past that and you will run out of fuel due to the pickup sucking nought but vapours. (EFi with a surge tank will allow you a few minutes at that angle and beyond, but I dont like your chances of keeping your motor well lubed due to oil starvation).

run a second fuel tank and a catch can and you wont have a problem.

CWBYUP wrote:run a second fuel tank and a catch can and you wont have a problem.

Not with a carby. A carby by its pure design will not handle angles like EFI.

Layto....

CWBYUP wrote:run a second fuel tank and a catch can and you wont have a problem.

The fuel will still either overflow from the fuel bowl and down the throat of the carb unmetered creating overfueling (are real problem at crawling speeds as the motor is already under load and is now running very rich or the jets will not get fuel to em resulting in under fueling and running lean killing the power... so thats bad to)
Not to mention what the float in th carb is up to (as it is not working as gravity intended any longer) but this info belongs in another thread as this one is about installing heavy iron in a light car ..

CWBYUP wrote:

albey wrote:thats fully sick and all

but what year did the first injected 1.6 come in please


and what transfer and g\box do i use are the uin's the same size?
what mods would i be looking at doing?

Personally I would buy a carbie motor and do EFI later on when you turbo / supercharge it. ( you know you will, just sell the galxie )

I would also use the vitara gearbox as its easyier to just swap the lot over and I think from memory the vitara has more usable ratios.

The Viatra carby motor that was in my '91 SWB was a '92 model and it went really well considering it was running 31's and no gearing.

Easily sat on 120 coming down the F3 when I picked it up, But i was a wild ride.

If can get your hands on a crashed one with damage to the back you should pick it up pretty cheap and then you can flog the rest of the crap on e-Bay.

So 1.6L vitara and gearbox with STD sierra transfer / gears if you have them.

Cheers Nick

how do you know i have a galaxie?>

Sorry to scare you champ, PM sent.

Nick

If you want to go an auto 4paly in Vic does a kit to divorce the vitara transfercase
This allows you to run the Vitara 1.6 mpefi with 3speed auto with sierra x-fer

Neat kit which is basically a bearing and carrier for the output shaft and a housing/mount
The set up I viewed had a custom crossmember but I am lead to beleive the Vitara 3 speed with this kit pretty well bolts straight in
The two unis from the intermediate shaft bolt straight together and he shaft is done away with

Note this does not cater for mounting the engine. If I was doing it I would use just the engine mount adaptor from BenT's kit

Great set up for crawling with x-fer gears
Took some photos but with somebody else camera, I will chase them up

fool_injected wrote:If you want to go an auto 4paly in Vic does a kit to divorce the vitara transfercase
This allows you to run the Vitara 1.6 mpefi with 3speed auto with sierra x-fer

Neat kit which is basically a bearing and carrier for the output shaft and a housing/mount
The set up I viewed had a custom crossmember but I am lead to beleive the Vitara 3 speed with this kit pretty well bolts straight in
The two unis from the intermediate shaft bolt straight together and he shaft is done away with

Note this does not cater for mounting the engine. If I was doing it I would use just the engine mount adaptor from BenT's kit

Great set up for crawling with x-fer gears
Took some photos but with somebody else camera, I will chase them up

cool that would be good 'fool_injected',
that sounds mor the way ill be going
just got to find me agood cheap (ha) doner
soon by the looks for things my gear box is spitting stuf out the drain plug
[img][img]http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o122 ... NX0050.jpg[/img][/img]

i got the commy
but then thought id drive over it


shit box
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albey wrote:shit box

And u are putting its engine in your sierra? This is why they are a shitbox