Outer Limits 4x4 Board

cooki_monsta wrote:

Sandy Rut wrote:

krimnl wrote: 3: SUSPENSION

What about air bumpstops?

krimnl wrote: 4: DIFFS
Factory fitted diff housings must remain

So does this mean no GU into GQ?

krimnl wrote: 6: STEERING

No word on GU box onto GQ - does this mean that this would be ok?

3. air bump stops should be ok i think
4. diffs must be FACTORY FITMENT so no, gu diffs wont be ok
6. steering is still open so i cant see gu boxes being a problem

correct Greg . go to the top of the class!!!!

haha, dont mind if i do, but can i have a gold star 2?

krimnl wrote:

cooki_monsta wrote:as far as my knowledge goes this is still active! just being planned etc still

correct Greg , just been busy with work ect.

CCDA is taking suggestions for new rules and we have discussed a new class. something like off road racing that has a production class and a modified class. these classes should be run together and production class should be looked on as a class and not a stepping stone to the modified class.

A couple of ideas have been forwarded to the CCDA , this is some basic notes that i have put together and open for discussion. If you think you can do better then start typing and send your thoughts to the CCDA .



GQ CLASS RACING
Or production class racing


1: BODY SPECIFICATION
Open to any make or model
All cars must be road registered
Must retain original body type .ie: wagon must not be cut down into a ute. This is determined by whats on the compliance plate.
No fibreglass replacement panels, all panels including bonnet must be steel.
Guards can be cut to allow clearance for the bigger tyres
Rear ¼ panel lowers can be trimmed behind the rear wheel
All glass must be retained in the body
Maximum 2â€

I have emailed it to the CCDA it is up to them and all YOU people who want it to happen. get behind the idea and email the CCDA with your support. or better still head in to a meeting.
I know they have had other emails with similar ideas. they need all of YOU people to let them know what YOU want. I want to race in the challenge class so its no big deal , but i do hear a lot of people say they cant afford to race . this is your opportunity to give it a shot!

mattlux wrote:All sounds great but what is the advantage in a gu front diff apart from a wider swivel housing and stronger cv. Also why no tube bars on the front of the vehicle?

The stronger cv's IS the advantage. And at 2k a pop for second hand front ends i don't think it's fair to use them in an "entry level" class..
Same for tube bars.

Ruffy wrote:

mattlux wrote:All sounds great but what is the advantage in a gu front diff apart from a wider swivel housing and stronger cv. Also why no tube bars on the front of the vehicle?

The stronger cv's IS the advantage. And at 2k a pop for second hand front ends i don't think it's fair to use them in an "entry level" class..
Same for tube bars.

Agreed they are stronger than a gq cv but what about an aftermarket cv and axle combo that could be stronger than a gu cv.
Do not agree with cost of tube bars as tube bars are about the same cost as a new bar but you can build one for half the cost of a bar and the approach angles are only a little bit of a gain.
I am wrapped that someone has come up with this class and i will be even more wrapped when it goes ahead.

Just thinking utes and wagon would be allowed might be an idea to limit chassis mods. Ute Owners could move the body on the chassis and chop the front and rear of the chassis down to give them an advantage over wagons.

AFeral wrote:Just thinking utes and wagon would be allowed might be an idea to limit chassis mods. Ute Owners could move the body on the chassis and chop the front and rear of the chassis down to give them an advantage over wagons.

this would not be allowed , see rule 12

Im ready for the diesel class, sounds like a great idea..... I really hope this eventuates.


Andy

Dzltec wrote:Im ready for he diesel class, sounds like a great idea..... I really hope this eventuates.


Andy

sequential turbos?

krimnl wrote:the issue with low mounts is they are so slow. these cars will be running in the same stages as the challenge cars , they need to be as fast as we can get them without going over the top. the high mount with 12volt and a 6hp motor is still very fast.

I don't see the problem with them being slow, its only going to disadvantage them with there times. If they hit the DNF time they are out anyway. You have to run an event allowing enough time for atleast half of the field using most of there DNF time. Also a GOOD team would do a winch quicker with a low mount then most would do with a high mount. As you would know most of the time in a winch is setup/pack up time.
Isn't the whole reason for this class so the average joe blow off the local 4x4 tracks can compete and be up the pointy end of the field with spending little money. Most Joe blows on the local tracks have low mount winches and steel cable. Not many people outside of the comp scene buy high mount winches or plasma rope.

Steel cables are not dangers if all the safety precautions are taken.

I agree with not allowing cheep brand winches because of reliability issues.

i clear every rule in my GQ, but i can't afford to go and buy a highmount or plasma. I run a lowmount atm and it gets me where i need to go slowly mind you, You'll get alot more entrants if you open up the recovery rules, at the end of the day its a dis-advantage for me.

darren how about using the group buy i have setup to get rope, itll cost them around 300 each for standard dyneema rope and its the same stuff thats in dynamica think it might be a good idea

cooki_monsta wrote:darren how about using the group buy i have setup to get rope, itll cost them around 300 each for standard dyneema rope and its the same stuff thats in dynamica think it might be a good idea

Still $150 cheaper for a new steel cable. That $150 is some bodies entry fee half covered. Or its the new CV they might need after the event. Or if the winch they have just bought has a perfect cable on it then its an extra $300 again.
Steel cable will also last a bucket load of years longer then rope will. There are alot more ropes that break then cables. Ropes need to be replaced more often and there for the cost goes up even more. My winch cable is 9 years old now (original warn cable) and is still spot on, yes it has done a lot of work and most of that work has been on rocks.

Making rope and high mounts a rule goes against the reason for making a new class. Wasn't the main reason for coming up with this class COSTS!!!!!!!!

But I said it early on in this thread (or words to the same effect) its the on going running costs that cost the most and hert the most and these are never going to change no matter what the rules are.

Guts wrote:

cooki_monsta wrote:darren how about using the group buy i have setup to get rope, itll cost them around 300 each for standard dyneema rope and its the same stuff thats in dynamica think it might be a good idea

Still $150 cheaper for a new steel cable. That $150 is some bodies entry fee half covered. Or its the new CV they might need after the event. Or if the winch they have just bought has a perfect cable on it then its an extra $300 again.
Steel cable will also last a bucket load of years longer then rope will. There are alot more ropes that break then cables. Ropes need to be replaced more often and there for the cost goes up even more. My winch cable is 9 years old now (original warn cable) and is still spot on, yes it has done a lot of work and most of that work has been on rocks.

Making rope and high mounts a rule goes against the reason for making a new class. Wasn't the main reason for coming up with this class COSTS!!!!!!!!

But I said it early on in this thread (or words to the same effect) its the on going running costs that cost the most and hert the most and these are never going to change no matter what the rules are.

well put you ideas on paper and send them to the CCDA. you wont have a hope in hell of getting it through. I think we have to be realistic here I know i wouldnt want to compete with a low mount as much as spectators dont want to watch dnf after dnf because of them.

do you know what yoor biggest problem is its only 1 type off truck i love to see diffrent ones.there are to many nissans in W/C now.

frp88 wrote:do you know what yoor biggest problem is its only 1 type off truck i love to see diffrent ones.there are to many nissans in W/C now.

read the whole thread.

I have, and you are not the only person to think of a controlled class in motor sport. I was involved in drag racing some time a go and alot of ppl said yes 10 simple rules will make fair. Well it didn't cos there was always some trying to improve and see if in the rules that is progress.The only way it will work if you do like they did in HQ class but unless you drive one who is coming to watch them.

frp88 wrote:I have, and you are not the only person to think of a controlled class in motor sport. I was involved in drag racing some time a go and alot of ppl said yes 10 simple rules will make fair. Well it didn't cos there was always some trying to improve and see if in the rules that is progress.The only way it will work if you do like they did in HQ class but unless you drive one who is coming to watch them.

Read the class rules dude, it allows other makes.

krimnl wrote: I think we have to be realistic here I know i wouldnt want to compete with a low mount as much as spectators dont want to watch dnf after dnf because of them.

Here is where you are going wrong, it should be what will bring in the numbers not what you`d want to compete under.

Most DNF`s are because of bad driving and or bad team work NOT slow winches. Or its breakages and high mounts burning out motors is one of them.

I have competed in a bucket load of comps over the last 10 years with only a low mount winch. I have NEVER DNF`d because of my slow winch. Use your head and think about the stage before driving it and you can cut mins off a winch time. Teaching the new comers to think about things fully first would be a lot better for saving DNF`s then forcing them to spend un-neededly.

Under a heavy load a low mount and a standard high mount have the same line speed.

Just so you know none of these rules effect me for 3 reasons, 1 I`m moving to Queensland as soon as my house sells and 2 my hilux doesn`t fit in these rules for a bucket load of reasons, the winch being the smallest reason and 3 I`m over competeing as the up keep and on going maintance costs are too much for me.

Just awesome.... this will see a lot of people being able to compete...

Great idea and Well done..

Can I say sorry I didn't see that changed your mind about models. Top set off rules tops for entry level into sport it a shame my truck doesn't qualify, 88 Mid Wheel Base with Fiberglass Top and its 24 volts and I have a PTO. But its the kind of class I would watch

frp88 wrote:Can I say sorry I didn't see that changed your mind about models. Top set off rules tops for entry level into sport it a shame my truck doesn't qualify, 88 Mid Wheel Base with Fiberglass Top and its 24 volts and I have a PTO. But its the kind of class I would watch

no problems, lets just hope it goes ahead!

if you want to be involved send a email to the CCDA

so are we all happy with the outcome?

As mentioned in the first page, what about the equivalent Ford Maverick, since it is basically the same but with a different badge?

If this goes ahead I would love to have a crack at it.

8 wrote:As mentioned in the first page, what about the equivalent Ford Maverick, since it is basically the same but with a different badge?

If this goes ahead I would love to have a crack at it.

Didn't he open it up to them already ?

Nick

CWBYUP wrote:

8 wrote:As mentioned in the first page, what about the equivalent Ford Maverick, since it is basically the same but with a different badge?

If this goes ahead I would love to have a crack at it.

Didn't he open it up to them already ?

pretty sure it was.

He didn't update his first post (comp specs) which why I asked. But if it's OK to use a Mav then

8 wrote:He didn't update his first post (comp specs) which why I asked. But if it's OK to use a Mav then

THese rules orr a variant was put to the CCDA and there is now a production class instead of trophy.

Check it out on the ccda home page