Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Different I know, but these people have a link to their rules which may prompt some ideas.

http://www.sportingtrials.org.nz/

How about having state comps with a National final, entry fees from the state rounds go to transporting rigs to National final therefore no long Sierra trips and spreads the costs. Three or four rounds per state, maximum of four entries per driver therefore ppl can go from state to state if they want but can't enter more then others who don't want to go too far.

this sort of stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HadyM9N ... er&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8XeL5qmMA8&NR=1

Got your E-mail today Adam. Started sorting out parts this arvo, as i have a bazillion spare parts from previous builds. I am considering getting a $200 un-rego bomb, for the chassis and body. I already have my previous SPUA setup, tyres, wheels and everything else from other stuff. If i get some time in the next few weeks might try to throw some together and see what it lloks like if i can find a donnor. Body mods, like cutting up guards, tube clips etc, whats the go there? I might of missed it.

Layto....

grimbo wrote:http://www.suzukixtreme.tv/

now that looks like fun

lay80n wrote:Got your E-mail today Adam. Started sorting out parts this arvo, as i have a bazillion spare parts from previous builds. I am considering getting a $200 un-rego bomb, for the chassis and body. I already have my previous SPUA setup, tyres, wheels and everything else from other stuff. If i get some time in the next few weeks might try to throw some together and see what it lloks like if i can find a donnor. Body mods, like cutting up guards, tube clips etc, whats the go there? I might of missed it.

Layto....

pretty much whatever you want, I am considering if it is worth keping full tube out and having some sort of body ie front clip, doors and some of the rear minimum to keep them all looking pretty much zook, Wayne has a chassis with no body there and no doubt lots of others have similar left over bits, Chris and Chris for eg, so its a hard decision, need to have a face to face chat to some peoples, there seems to be a 50% split of oppinion here

I might pull the zook I have here out and start building, need access to a welder though and cant do to much without a bender, but can get the engine etc running (coil I think) The idea is to get maybe 4 odd done and go drive some terrain and video some drives to get ideas and oppinions from people

good to see it moving ahead though

Had a thought today that your rules dont mention sliders or skid plates.

Mmmm, that kiwi stuff looks fun, is that what you have in mind when you talk about tube buggies ?
You could start off running them together, than if the buggies are out classing the full body zooks, split them into a higher class.
I could see the full body (FB ) zooks ending up as buggies after a year or two of comp' anyway.

Interesting with the nav and what to me looked like hand brakes for each wheel. who needs lockers. trust the kiwis to think of that.

Zute wrote:Had a thought today that your rules dont mention sliders or skid plates.

Rules are just something to start with ATM
These are two relatively cheap mods with proven effectiveness thus will likely be included

grimbo wrote:this sort of stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HadyM9N ... er&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8XeL5qmMA8&NR=1

That's the shizzle, fun with a capital F
Their rules seem pretty loose, 3.8l supercharged and 302 V8

fool_injected wrote:

grimbo wrote:this sort of stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HadyM9N ... er&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8XeL5qmMA8&NR=1

That's the shizzle, fun with a capital F
Their rules seem pretty loose, 3.8l supercharged and 302 V8

if the idea weasnt cheap cheap cheap that would be awsome

Sounding like a great comp now I'll have a use for all those extra parts I laying around.
Will catch up to you and wayne at blackrat.

Chris & Chris

For sure
Done a run to Cessnock on Saturday to restock the alcohol, ready for a good one
Hope Pete still has a bottle of Jurds, mines gone

fool_injected wrote:For sure
Done a run to Cessnock on Saturday to restock the alcohol, ready for a good one
Hope Pete still has a bottle of Jurds, mines gone

hey did dayton sort things out trailer\towbar wise? ned to work out how to get enough geer and the tyres out ATM

anything new on this ?

hope to build a couple of rigs in the next couple of months, in the next couple of weeks a few of us will sit down and go throgh the draft rules and expand, this all wont happen over night but we will get it moving slowly and update you all as we get things done

im assuming this idea went to the shit??

Sounds great though

Incase you are still looking for ideas.... heres a link to some info about our NZ competition.

http://www.4x4trials.co.nz/default.aspx

The classes are explained in there somewhere and there is a brief outline of the scoring. Its awesome fun only having very short but very technical hazards. There are 7 classes. G class is very rarely competed in because you would trash a registered vehicle.

PRODUCTION MODIFIED VEHICLES - CLASSES A AND B

A production Modified Vehicle is as it leaves the master distributor’s factory, and must use original equipment and parts for the vehicle make, and model, except as expressly permitted, or disallowed, in the requirements of the rules.

Class A - 0-4 cylinder production modified
Class B - 5 + cylinder production modified (exceeding 1300kg manufacturer’s kerb weight for make & model)
SUPER MODIFIED VEHICLES - CLASSES C AND D

Class C - 0-4 cylinder super modified
Class D - 5 + cylinder super modified
SUPER PRODUCTION VEHICLES – CLASS E AND F

A Super Production Vehicle is as it leaves the master distributor’s factory, and must use original equipment and parts for the vehicle make, and model, except as expressly permitted, or disallowed, in the requirements of the rules.

Class E - 0-4 cylinder super production
Class F - 5 + cylinder super production (exceeding 1300kg manufacturer’s kerb weight for make model)
OPEN PRODUCTION VEHICLES - CLASS G- 0 + cylinder

An Open Production vehicle is as it leaves the master distributor’s factory, and must use original equipment and parts for the vehicle make, model and year, except as expressly permitted, or dis-allowed in the requirements of the rules.

C and D class are completely open. every vehicle has to pass scruntineering though which checks out all teh safety

I'd love to go in something like this. I'm in QLD though... But I definetly travel ie maybe as far as rover park (5-6hrs)...
Theres a few places around SE qld/ NE nsw janowen hills, the springs, lcmp, rover park etc etc...

As for the rules regs, loved the first set of rules except for the diff swap/wheelbase stretch thing...

As for tyre size, if you make the tracks a decent difficulty, and keep the sierra diff rule, who's gonna be stupid enough to rock up with 37's on standard suzuki diffs and expect to finish without breakages, or even finish?
why not leave tyre size open. This allows people who want to run 32's/33's (even 34's though i doubt there is many running them) to have a go.


axles (cromos), selectable lockers, cutting brakes & rear disconnect should all be allowed. If people can develop their rig to go further/have more manouverability/be more reliable without going big (wheelbase stretches, linked suspension & 35"+) then good on em... (plus i want them )

Keeping the comp really tight and open to those with a small budget is really going to be the winner in terms of success in the event staying alive, as soon as its opened to selectable lockers modified suspension, changes in wheelbases and tires it becomes a rich mans sport again. Having minimal allowed mods is the key, I would even restrict diff gearing to what was the highest gearing from factory or something along those lines. Tire size rule is a good one two cos just because its a 31 Simex means its going to be the best in the rocky conditions either so it will add a certain amount of trial and error to the sport.

It should stay as Suzuki as possible with the main money only having to be spent on:

Roll cage and safety gear.

Crawler gears.

31" tires.

Also making the rules very clear and not open to interpretation or manipulation is the key. I run into this issue when dealing with the ANDRA book inspecting drag cars regards to rules and modifications often. Keep the Carby options either to standard or one other with similar size and output. Can people run extractors and must people run a full exhaust system as I believe you may have noise restrictions in running events in some areas. Other than that if you open the class to WT and NT with a certain allowable track you will have to be careful in making sure one still doesn't turn out to be more of an advantage to the other, as in running 31"s and offset if you cant get a certain amount of offset with each rim your going to end up with tires hitting springs or rubbing on chassis therefore you would probably need to set the rule on the WT to what ever allows it to clear tires on full lock and then set this as the biggest track allowable....?

Gwagensteve wrote: simple rule - if it arrives on a trailer, plates or not, it is trailer. If it drives in, it is road reg. simple.

I agree in making a certain rule to this Steve but this sorta cuts out the guys that might need to travel a longer distance and camp for weekends and bringing all their gear, for instance if I was to try make a few events coming from the N.T I wouldn't drive down to VIc in a NT 1.0 Sierra with a Full cage, I would trailer it down but be able to prove that it has registration.

Dee wrote:
As for tyre size, if you make the tracks a decent difficulty, and keep the sierra diff rule, who's gonna be stupid enough to rock up with 37's on standard suzuki diffs and expect to finish without breakages, or even finish?

Leaving open the tire size means people with more money will be able to work at a better advantage and then creates a whole class move to simply have the best rig with 37" tires where as 31"s keep the spending down and skill levels up, A careful driver with the biggest diff gears crawler gears and locked will have a far better chance than some one on 31"s in rock sections any time even if they take it slow...

will it ever happen.....this post is over a year old