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Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:56 pm**

sh1t ill have to pop round n see mick again.
that ute is awesome already let alone with all that stuff

Posted: **Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:10 am**

WICKED wrote:
RMP&O wrote:
Aren't you running Yuri CV's Wicked? If so why would you want to upgrade, are they not strong enough for you!?

I think these CV's look the bomb. But with anything you do to a diff...make one part stronger and the next part is the weak link. IMHO if you are breaking a lot of CV's you should think about how you drive your truck. Drive it a bit differently and you will likely not break so many CV's.

I think we could all agree Patrol diffs are strong as stock...but if you need something stronger why not just consider putting in some D60's?

Personally if I had $15k to drop on diffs I would just dump the Patrol diffs and run PortalTek's. But $15k is a huge ass chunk of change to drop on diffs.
I run Yuri MQ cv's but because of the C200 Centre i'm changing to a GQ front. nothing to do with the Cv's.

D60's lol 1 diff is over $5000 + just and that's not in the car or even at your place. (austraila)

As for $15K on diffs! who'sspendin that! you's get twin hydro steerin mog portals in for that man!

$5k!? Are you kidding me!? I could ship you a set of D60's for half that or less...ya that is with shipping included.

PortalTek diffs are better than Mogs. They are designed for what you people are doing, ie comps. They are built and customized to your specs, ie width, ratio, lockers, shafts, CV's, ect. Mogs are not....

Posted: **Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:44 am**

WICKED wrote:
1MadEngineer wrote: we should have our pair tomorrow - thanks cal!!!!
shaving diff and grinding knuckles out on sunday, sweet!! who cares about warranty, i never got any on the longfields we have bought (got 4 sets). Honestly i hope no other nissan drivers buy these, so we can beat them when they break their stockers!!!
What time Greg? I'm keen on them, just very unsure about them. If I can I'll come round and check them out, cool?

pick me up on the way through, ill come for a look see

Posted: **Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:01 pm**

I am ordering a set of yuri's beafed up ntn's so will let you know how they go.

Dave

Posted: **Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:28 pm**

CruiserPatrol wrote:I am ordering a set of yuri's beafed up ntn's so will let you know how they go.

Dave

Ive been running yuris for ages! lot up do. there great!

Posted: **Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:22 pm**

whats the latest

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:29 am**

Zac Zec wrote:whats the latest

Cal's neighbour has been abusing a set in his buggy with Nissan axles for the last week, they are holding up to some insane bind at full lock without question. It looks like they are going to be everything we hoped they would be.

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:23 am**

Wendle wrote:
Zac Zec wrote:whats the latest
Cal's neighbour has been abusing a set in his buggy with Nissan axles for the last week, they are holding up to some insane bind at full lock without question. It looks like they are going to be everything we hoped they would be.

Buggies are a COMPLETLY different story to a bodied rig. So untill the are run and provine in a car it doesn't mean sqaut.

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:31 am**

WICKED wrote:Buggies are a COMPLETLY different story to a bodied rig. So untill the are run and provine in a car it doesn't mean sqaut.

Yeah, you're right. His buggy has a TB42, Nissan 5-speed and t/case, Nissan axles and all the tubework is welded to a GQ shorty chassis. I guess it bears more resemblance to a unicorn or an iPod than it does to a Patrol.

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:45 am**

Wendle wrote:
WICKED wrote:Buggies are a COMPLETLY different story to a bodied rig. So untill the are run and provine in a car it doesn't mean sqaut.
Yeah, you're right. His buggy has a TB42, Nissan 5-speed and t/case, Nissan axles and all the tubework is welded to a GQ shorty chassis. I guess it bears more resemblance to a unicorn or an iPod than it does to a Patrol.

I know the buggy you mean but.....

What does it wiegh?
What does a Comp GQ weigh?

Body, interior, toolbox's, spare's mechanical and tyre.

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:59 am**

WICKED wrote: I know the buggy you mean but.....

What does it wiegh?
What does a Comp GQ weigh?

Body, interior, toolbox's, spare's mechanical and tyre.

It would probably be around 1600-1700kg by now. Between Nam and the new owners it has had a lot of steel added.

In any case, it doesn't really matter. If they are x% stronger than a stock item in that buggy, they will be x% stronger than a stock item in any other vehicle, regardless of what it is.

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:13 pm**

Wendle wrote: In any case, it doesn't really matter. If they are x% stronger than a stock item in that buggy, they will be x% stronger than a stock item in any other vehicle, regardless of what it is.

This is true but they are not tested for the market they are being targeted at.
They are bein tested in a GQ based Buggy.
They are bein looked at by people that want them in a body Rig.

Its like apples and oranges and hence can not be compared.

Don't get me wrong I can't wait to see how the go in a body/heavy Vechile. I'm just say it's ALOT of money for a product that is untested with no warranty.

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:17 pm**

Recieved my cv's from yuri today, excellent service, and will take some pics next to a stock ntn and post. Hope to fit them on the weekend and test them out.

Dave

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:52 pm**

These Cvs are not relying on the test results from this buggy.
They purchased the Cv and axles because they needed the strongest available.
The technology and materials used has been tested over the past 24months in various applications and different vehicle types as well as calculated bench distruction testing.
Who keeps saying no warranty?? have you ever asked

Posted: **Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:55 pm**

crliin wrote:These Cvs are not relying on the test results from this buggy.
They purchased the Cv and axles because they needed the strongest available.
The technology and materials used has been tested over the past 24months in various applications and different vehicle types as well as calculated bench distruction testing.
Who keeps saying no warranty?? have you ever asked

I've had a few coversations with Cal bout them. Last one was about 2 weeks before the where actually in country. I gave him all the info on my car and he said i would not break them and if i did we (him and I) would need to discuss that if and when it happened.
You can't simulate the real thing there-for testin will be on "Prototypes" and after awhile a "Prototype" that has the desirared strenght will go into production. Hence becaming a product. This is all after testing prototypes as i said.

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:07 am**

WICKED wrote:
Wendle wrote: In any case, it doesn't really matter. If they are x% stronger than a stock item in that buggy, they will be x% stronger than a stock item in any other vehicle, regardless of what it is.
This is true but they are not tested for the market they are being targeted at.
They are bein tested in a GQ based Buggy.
They are bein looked at by people that want them in a body Rig.

Its like apples and oranges and hence can not be compared.

Don't get me wrong I can't wait to see how the go in a body/heavy Vechile. I'm just say it's ALOT of money for a product that is untested with no warranty.

well we had a busy weekend, gu box hydro assist friday night and saturday fit front air locker, shave the a$$ off the housings and fit the NICE SHINY new CALOFFROAD CV's, they are sweet!!! heaps of steering lock now (but we need a longer arm to get full advantage out of these bad boys!!). Had a quick play and they are tough - real tough, they are sooooooooooooo much stronger than even welded cv's!!! and i am not easy on gear, well the tracks aren't!! and this is in a full body Xtra-cab gq with a big exo and a full compliment of tricks!

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:10 am**

The first batch where prototypes for fitment. The strength will remain the same in next production run as they are very very strong.
The reputation of these is very important and Im sure if you did ever break one it would be replaced no problems.

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:30 am**

WICKED wrote:
crliin wrote:These Cvs are not relying on the test results from this buggy.
They purchased the Cv and axles because they needed the strongest available.
The technology and materials used has been tested over the past 24months in various applications and different vehicle types as well as calculated bench distruction testing.
Who keeps saying no warranty?? have you ever asked
I've had a few coversations with Cal bout them. Last one was about 2 weeks before the where actually in country. I gave him all the info on my car and he said i would not break them and if i did we (him and I) would need to discuss that if and when it happened.
You can't simulate the real thing there-for testin will be on "Prototypes" and after awhile a "Prototype" that has the desirared strenght will go into production. Hence becaming a product. This is all after testing prototypes as i said.

might want to check who you are quoting !!!!

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:39 am**

moose wrote:
WICKED wrote:
crliin wrote:These Cvs are not relying on the test results from this buggy.
They purchased the Cv and axles because they needed the strongest available.
The technology and materials used has been tested over the past 24months in various applications and different vehicle types as well as calculated bench distruction testing.
Who keeps saying no warranty?? have you ever asked
I've had a few coversations with Cal bout them. Last one was about 2 weeks before the where actually in country. I gave him all the info on my car and he said i would not break them and if i did we (him and I) would need to discuss that if and when it happened.
You can't simulate the real thing there-for testin will be on "Prototypes" and after awhile a "Prototype" that has the desirared strenght will go into production. Hence becaming a product. This is all after testing prototypes as i said.

might want to check who you are quoting !!!!

LOL Moose i looked at his Sig and his locatin and Name and all before posting. I'm assumin that it is Cal himself (Can't remember his username). However that does not change any thing I said. Question is does Cal remeber me?

(i wounldn't want to remember me)

Hehehehe

Crliin wrote:The first batch where prototypes for fitment. The strength will remain the same in next production run as they are very very strong.
The reputation of these is very important and Im sure if you did ever break one it would be replaced no problems.

Don't get me wrong i'm not tryin to bring you or your product down, I just pointing out that buggies are different to cars and they can't be compared.

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:02 pm**

crliin wrote:The first batch where prototypes for fitment. The strength will remain the same in next production run as they are very very strong.
The reputation of these is very important and Im sure if you did ever break one it would be replaced no problems.

now im definately keen to get some before tuff truck next year

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:51 pm**

crliin wrote: The reputation of these is very important and Im sure if you did ever break one it would be replaced no problems.

Well if this is for real I will be putting a set in when I fit the locker.

Nick

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:19 pm**

WICKED wrote:
Don't get me wrong i'm not tryin to bring you or your product down, I just pointing out that buggies are different to cars and they can't be compared.

why not ?

once they get put into a buggy do they change form?

dosent matter what they are being tested in
could be a suzuki with a 1.3 and patrol diffs

the thing is if it was breaking cv's easily before and cant break one now seems to me it would be an improvement

Posted: **Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:00 pm**

can i ask, what is the strength comparison between gu cvs and your ones? What concerns me is that winch challenge trucks seem to break the gu ones so if they are similar in strength then IMO i would be better off with a gu front diff

If this is not the case. Are there any sets availiable

Cheers

Zac

Posted: **Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:08 pm**

CruiserPatrol wrote:Recieved my cv's from yuri today, excellent service, and will take some pics next to a stock ntn and post. Hope to fit them on the weekend and test them out.

Dave

As promised pics of both

Posted: **Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:39 pm**

Zac Zec wrote:can i ask, what is the strength comparison between gu cvs and your ones? What concerns me is that winch challenge trucks seem to break the gu ones so if they are similar in strength then IMO i would be better off with a gu front diff

If this is not the case. Are there any sets availiable

Cheers

Zac

So whats the difference

Gu to cal cvs

I want to do one or the other

Posted: **Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:57 am**

Zac Zec wrote:
Zac Zec wrote:can i ask, what is the strength comparison between gu cvs and your ones? What concerns me is that winch challenge trucks seem to break the gu ones so if they are similar in strength then IMO i would be better off with a gu front diff

If this is not the case. Are there any sets availiable

Cheers

Zac
So whats the difference Gu to cal cvs I want to do one or the other

ok a few rough figures (cal please confirm )
failure in ft/lb of TQ
std toyota cv - ~2000-2500
std gq - ~2000-3000
std gu - ~4000
std gu&gq and toyota inner axle - ~4000-4500
welded toyota & gq - ~4500 (welded cv's tend to break 2-3 axles per cv breakage)
CalOffroad and Longfield - ~8000 - 8500
std dana60 35spline - ~8000 - 8500

these are only indicitive figures. over tests and usage.(just some research)

Posted: **Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:04 am**

Zac Zec wrote:So whats the difference Gu to cal cvs I want to do one or the other

Someone needs to put a GU CV and axleshaft onto a testing bed for destructive testing to get some numbers before that can be given a concrete answer.
But theoretically Cal's gear should be heaps stronger as the inner axle and stub shaft are made from a much higher grade alloy with better treatment. The GU CV is big enough that the inner axle or stub often becomes the weak point, and they are the same size as the GQ item. Anything can only be as strong as it's weakest component.
So it's really only speculation without the maths to back it up, but Cal's setup should be a lot stronger.

EDIT - If 1mad's figures above are accurate, you've got your answer

Posted: **Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:18 am**

wendle's right someone need to destructive test one, i plugged in a few numbers into a FEA package and they are really rough estimates to see if some of the other info people have given over the years is really in the ball park.

yes the stubs seem to be the weak area. also now nissan guys have a strong axle upgrade, they will get the same problem the toyota longfield guys have and that is blowing locking hubs, at least you can buy chromo hub gears for longs ATM.

Posted: **Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:39 am**

Cheers guys

Does anyone know if the destruction test has been done yet. I believe that cal was going to get this done for nissan, toyota and his cvs

Posted: **Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:31 am**

I just purchased a set of these CV's from Cal, we are racing in the Alpine Challenge in a couple of weeks so that will be the test. Last year we managed to smashed two haultech cv's at the alpine. The haultech units take heaps more punishment than the standard cv's, fingers cross these new Cal units should significantly better again.

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