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Posted: **Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:03 pm**

Yeah - $7k drive in drive out is probably a bit low - but it will depend on the cost of the kit obviously.

As a comparison, the ASE turbo kit for the TB48 is $6800, although it is a very comprehensive kit and includes a front mount cooler.

ASE are also going to release a 1FZ kit , but it will be a bit cheaper as it will use a cast manifold.

Alternately, if you are handy, a 1FZ setup can be pieced together & fabricated for under $4k.

Posted: **Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:30 am**

MUD000 wrote:
mick80 wrote:
GO79 wrote:
MS-75 wrote:Std head bolts are a torque to yield fastener and have a maximum clamping force dictated by the material.

ARP studs are a much stronger material and can be torqued to a significantly higher torque (not a torque to yield fastener - the specified torque is approx 75% of the fastener yield strength) - giving a greater clamping force obviously.

If you're only going to run 6-7 psi though it then you'll probably be fine however. Just remember that XR6 blower is good for 400+hp. I guarantee you'll get the bug and start winding boost into it!

Yes you can swap the bolts/studs over like that. The cams need to come out to do it, but it's not too difficult.
how much roughly would it cost to pay someone to turbo my 4.5 it has 280000 klms on it
i dont want 20 psi or anything just a bit more pulling power
cheers mick[/quote
From what I've been told about $7000 drive in drive out
Cheers Dan

I'm up to $2400 all I need to make it run is the dump pipe made which the quote was $150 so 2550 all up for a intercooler low boost setup. extra $ are gauges for what eve you chooose

Posted: **Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:27 am**

GO79 wrote:
MUD000 wrote:
mick80 wrote:
GO79 wrote:
MS-75 wrote:Std head bolts are a torque to yield fastener and have a maximum clamping force dictated by the material.

ARP studs are a much stronger material and can be torqued to a significantly higher torque (not a torque to yield fastener - the specified torque is approx 75% of the fastener yield strength) - giving a greater clamping force obviously.

If you're only going to run 6-7 psi though it then you'll probably be fine however. Just remember that XR6 blower is good for 400+hp. I guarantee you'll get the bug and start winding boost into it!

Yes you can swap the bolts/studs over like that. The cams need to come out to do it, but it's not too difficult.
how much roughly would it cost to pay someone to turbo my 4.5 it has 280000 klms on it
i dont want 20 psi or anything just a bit more pulling power
cheers mick[/quote
From what I've been told about $7000 drive in drive out
Cheers Dan
I'm up to $2400 all I need to make it run is the dump pipe made which the quote was $150 so 2550 all up for a intercooler low boost setup. extra $ are gauges for what eve you chooose

i will have to pay some one to do it so 7000 seams realistic
thats why im trying to find out more about this sprintex supercharger kit $4000
cheers mick

Posted: **Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:22 pm**

Just had a bit of a look at the sprintex kit

http://www.tweakit.net/shop/product_inf ... ts_id=7652

That is dirt cheap, and sprintex are pro.

Sprintex reckon it's 8-9 hours to fit.

If you want a bit of additional go and can line up someone near you to fit it (pref a sprintex dealer) then it's a pretty good option.

Posted: **Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:58 pm**

how much would you allow 4 fitting?
1000
cheers mick

Posted: **Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:09 pm**

Could opt for a ebay kit. Not sure what quality you could expect

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyota-L ... ccessories" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Or really cheap

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/STAGE-2- ... ccessories" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:01 pm**

Hmmm.

Unfortunately there's no manifold!

It's really just a collection of chinese crap unfortunately. (you had me excited for a moment there)

There are 2 things you absolutely cannot skimp on if doing a turbo conversion.

#1 Buy a decent turbo. Never ever buy a no-name ebay special turbo.
#2 Buy a decent wastegate - again, no ebay specials. Unless it's a Tial, Turbosmart, Garrett, JGS, HKS, Sard etc don't risk it.

Posted: **Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:04 pm**

mick80 wrote:how much would you allow 4 fitting?
1000
cheers mick

Probably between 1k and 2k.

Always over estimate so you have some contingency if something pops up.

Have a look on the sprintex site for a dealer near you and then ask that dealer for a quote to fit the kit if you suppy it.

Posted: **Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:39 pm**

mick80 wrote:how much would you allow 4 fitting?
1000
cheers mick

Call em up mate there very very helpfull if your in WA they will take you for a spin in the sc 80 series or sc 105 series , I'm pretty sure is 1g to install then you get the full warrenty stuff.
I was about to get the sprintex kit but worked out cheaper for me to do a turbo setup
those links to eBay turbo kits don't have manifolds ay ? Is that how they can say ther for 80 series 40 series or jeep. They say fj 80 which is the 3f 80 series hmm

Posted: **Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:23 am**

GO79 wrote:
mick80 wrote:how much would you allow 4 fitting?
1000
cheers mick
Call em up mate there very very helpfull if your in WA they will take you for a spin in the sc 80 series or sc 105 series , I'm pretty sure is 1g to install then you get the full warrenty stuff.
I was about to get the sprintex kit but worked out cheaper for me to do a turbo setup
those links to eBay turbo kits don't have manifolds ay ? Is that how they can say ther for 80 series 40 series or jeep. They say fj 80 which is the 3f 80 series hmm

they reckon 50% power increase and 45% tourqe so it should go hard hey?
twice the power.
im gonna put all my other mods on hold and do this 1st
it wont be till about christmas but i will keep you posted>
cheers mick

Posted: **Wed Aug 25, 2010 5:16 am**

hey got a quote 4 the sprintex supercharger fitted
$8500
thats fitted with a 3 inch exhaust and they have to ceramic coat my extractors cause they get to hot and damage the supercharger.
so i think il give it a miss 4 another year
cheers mick

Posted: **Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:20 am**

MS-75 wrote:While I'm at it, here's a pic of the set-up I'm working on currently.

Custom intake manifold, custom exhaust manifold, head ported as far as it will go, pistons, rods, 2100hp turbo, methanol etc etc etc.

Just a word of warning:

You should put some sort of grille over that turbine inlet, as small children could get sucked into that big motherfvcker turbo!

Posted: **Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:36 am**

Wow - 4.5k to fit that kit is a total rip.

You don't need ceramic coating - you can use heat wrap and this - http://www.aclperformance.com.au/prod_heatshield.htm, and you certainly don't need a 3 inch exhaust system.

Even if you include 1.5k in that price for the exhaust work, $3k to fit a kit that should go on in 9-10 hours is a shameless rip.

Did you speak to a sprintex dealer?
Is there anyone else inMackay?
Is Rocky too far?

Don't give up after 1 quote - that price is rubbish.

Posted: **Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:22 pm**

mick80 wrote:hey got a quote 4 the sprintex supercharger fitted
$8500
thats fitted with a 3 inch exhaust and they have to ceramic coat my extractors cause they get to hot and damage the supercharger.
so i think il give it a miss 4 another year
cheers mick

wow my install quote was around 1g from sprintex WA

is your quote with there intercooler

Posted: **Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:37 pm**

MS-75 wrote:Wow - 4.5k to fit that kit is a total rip.

You don't need ceramic coating - you can use heat wrap and this - http://www.aclperformance.com.au/prod_heatshield.htm, and you certainly don't need a 3 inch exhaust system.

Even if you include 1.5k in that price for the exhaust work, $3k to fit a kit that should go on in 9-10 hours is a shameless rip.

Did you speak to a sprintex dealer?
Is there anyone else inMackay?
Is Rocky too far?

Don't give up after 1 quote - that price is rubbish.

the price breakdown was 4400 4 the charger 200 delivery from wa and 900 fitting the rest is the exhaust and ceramic coat.
and yes it was a sprintex person off there website.
i might give there head office a call and c what they say
cheers mick

Posted: **Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:15 pm**

Boy oh boy - $3000 for the exhaust. That's where the workshop makes it's money.

Speak to Sprintex regarding the exhaust system - A good heat shield and some lagging on the pipes should do the trick.

If you assumed $500 for the heat shielding, that would put the price at $6k which is pretty good.

Posted: **Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:14 am**

MS-75 wrote:Boy oh boy - $3000 for the exhaust. That's where the workshop makes it's money.

Speak to Sprintex regarding the exhaust system - A good heat shield and some lagging on the pipes should do the trick.

If you assumed $500 for the heat shielding, that would put the price at $6k which is pretty good.

thats what i was hoping!
cheers mick

Posted: **Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:09 am**

Well i've just purchased a second hand Sprintex Supercharger to suit the 4.5L (about $550 including postage) i'm not sure how old it is, i should receive it early next week.
Not sure if i want to put it on my 75ute, or in our 105 wagon...Depending on how much more cash/parts i need to fit it, it could be in the next couple of months or next year.
Lockrights front and rear in ute is first thing....
Rob

Posted: **Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:35 am**

Stackson45 wrote:Well i've just purchased a second hand Sprintex Supercharger to suit the 4.5L (about $550 including postage) i'm not sure how old it is, i should receive it early next week.
Not sure if i want to put it on my 75ute, or in our 105 wagon...Depending on how much more cash/parts i need to fit it, it could be in the next couple of months or next year.
Lockrights front and rear in ute is first thing....
Rob

nice mate
good to see another petrol cruiser ute for a change , even better to see it might get some psi into it.
What else come with the super charger mate . Ecu?,pullys?

Posted: **Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:15 am**

GO79 wrote:
Stackson45 wrote:Well i've just purchased a second hand Sprintex Supercharger to suit the 4.5L (about $550 including postage) i'm not sure how old it is, i should receive it early next week.
Not sure if i want to put it on my 75ute, or in our 105 wagon...Depending on how much more cash/parts i need to fit it, it could be in the next couple of months or next year.
Lockrights front and rear in ute is first thing....
Rob
nice mate
good to see another petrol cruiser ute for a change , even better to see it might get some psi into it.
What else come with the super charger mate . Ecu?,pullys?

Yeah- i'm fond of the 4.5L - we've had one in our 80, now in the 75 ut and the 105 wagon, all dual fuel.
Once i recieve the supercharger i'll have a good look at what i get (also talk to insurance companies) and talk to Sprintex and see what's involved.

One thing that's been confusing me is power figures from the 4.5L.
We had our 80 4.5L (full time 4wd) tuned on a chassis dyno, giving out peak of 48kW. The 80 in the mag with the supercharger fitment (link in this thread) was dyno'd at 61kW, then 89kW after installation.
Yet others on here have power figures over 100kW stock - which is more than the supercharged output?
Am i confusing flywheel to at the wheels with these?
Then turbo figures of around 250kW region - if this is at the wheels that's 500% power increase over our 80 - is that right?
Can someone please clear this up for me?
Cheers
Rob

Posted: **Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:49 am**

lots of them are dome on 2wd dyno's which would give a higher figure than a 4wd dyno.

Posted: **Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:12 am**

Stackson45 wrote:
GO79 wrote:
Stackson45 wrote:Well i've just purchased a second hand Sprintex Supercharger to suit the 4.5L (about $550 including postage) i'm not sure how old it is, i should receive it early next week.
Not sure if i want to put it on my 75ute, or in our 105 wagon...Depending on how much more cash/parts i need to fit it, it could be in the next couple of months or next year.
Lockrights front and rear in ute is first thing....
Rob
nice mate
good to see another petrol cruiser ute for a change , even better to see it might get some psi into it.
What else come with the super charger mate . Ecu?,pullys?
Yeah- i'm fond of the 4.5L - we've had one in our 80, now in the 75 ut and the 105 wagon, all dual fuel.
Once i recieve the supercharger i'll have a good look at what i get (also talk to insurance companies) and talk to Sprintex and see what's involved.

One thing that's been confusing me is power figures from the 4.5L.
We had our 80 4.5L (full time 4wd) tuned on a chassis dyno, giving out peak of 48kW. The 80 in the mag with the supercharger fitment (link in this thread) was dyno'd at 61kW, then 89kW after installation.
Yet others on here have power figures over 100kW stock - which is more than the supercharged output?
Am i confusing flywheel to at the wheels with these?
Then turbo figures of around 250kW region - if this is at the wheels that's 500% power increase over our 80 - is that right?
Can someone please clear this up for me?
Cheers
Rob

hey champ isnt your 80 on gas?
that slows it down a little bit doesnt it?
cheers mick

Posted: **Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:02 am**

mick80 wrote:
Stackson45 wrote:
GO79 wrote:
Stackson45 wrote:Well i've just purchased a second hand Sprintex Supercharger to suit the 4.5L (about $550 including postage) i'm not sure how old it is, i should receive it early next week.
Not sure if i want to put it on my 75ute, or in our 105 wagon...Depending on how much more cash/parts i need to fit it, it could be in the next couple of months or next year.
Lockrights front and rear in ute is first thing....
Rob
nice mate
good to see another petrol cruiser ute for a change , even better to see it might get some psi into it.
What else come with the super charger mate . Ecu?,pullys?
Yeah- i'm fond of the 4.5L - we've had one in our 80, now in the 75 ut and the 105 wagon, all dual fuel.
Once i recieve the supercharger i'll have a good look at what i get (also talk to insurance companies) and talk to Sprintex and see what's involved.

Gas on The 1fz motors mate together really well like those falcon 6 cyl motors just love gas
if any I noticed about 1% power loss on gas and that 1% loss is proberly in my head ha
One thing that's been confusing me is power figures from the 4.5L.
We had our 80 4.5L (full time 4wd) tuned on a chassis dyno, giving out peak of 48kW. The 80 in the mag with the supercharger fitment (link in this thread) was dyno'd at 61kW, then 89kW after installation.
Yet others on here have power figures over 100kW stock - which is more than the supercharged output?
Am i confusing flywheel to at the wheels with these?
Then turbo figures of around 250kW region - if this is at the wheels that's 500% power increase over our 80 - is that right?
Can someone please clear this up for me?
Cheers
Rob
hey champ isnt your 80 on gas?
that slows it down a little bit doesnt it?
cheers mick

Posted: **Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:34 am**

Stackson45 wrote:
GO79 wrote:
Stackson45 wrote:Well i've just purchased a second hand Sprintex Supercharger to suit the 4.5L (about $550 including postage) i'm not sure how old it is, i should receive it early next week.
Not sure if i want to put it on my 75ute, or in our 105 wagon...Depending on how much more cash/parts i need to fit it, it could be in the next couple of months or next year.
Lockrights front and rear in ute is first thing....
Rob
nice mate
good to see another petrol cruiser ute for a change , even better to see it might get some psi into it.
What else come with the super charger mate . Ecu?,pullys?
Yeah- i'm fond of the 4.5L - we've had one in our 80, now in the 75 ut and the 105 wagon, all dual fuel.
Once i recieve the supercharger i'll have a good look at what i get (also talk to insurance companies) and talk to Sprintex and see what's involved.

One thing that's been confusing me is power figures from the 4.5L.
We had our 80 4.5L (full time 4wd) tuned on a chassis dyno, giving out peak of 48kW. The 80 in the mag with the supercharger fitment (link in this thread) was dyno'd at 61kW, then 89kW after installation.
Yet others on here have power figures over 100kW stock - which is more than the supercharged output?
Am i confusing flywheel to at the wheels with these?
Then turbo figures of around 250kW region - if this is at the wheels that's 500% power increase over our 80 - is that right?
Can someone please clear this up for me?
Cheers
Rob

Don't be too caught up on dyno figures.

Firstly, on a dyno where the parameters are set correctly (ramp rate, air temp location etc), a healthy 1FZ with stock size tyres tends to record approx 90-100rwkw. (flywheel kw is either 156 or 165 from memory depending if 80 or 100 series). Having the air intake temperature sensor in the wrong place (depends on dyno type), setting an incorrect ramp rate, using the incorrect mode (ie not using shootout mode on a Dyno Dynamics dynoe) or using the incorrect correction mode can all significantly affect the readout.

Once you add an LPG system with a conventional gas introduction unit that sits in the intake system (these are very restrictive), you can drop a significant amount of power (can be 20+ rwkw penalty).

Note : Gas systems will always cause power drops unless you use the new generation vapor phase injection kits as these do not add any restrictions into the inlet tract. Even better are the even newer liquid phase kits. Generally these increase power over petrol due to the cooling of the inlet charge due to change in state of the LPG as it vaporises as it's injected.

Another thing that soaks up power is tyres different to stock - either bigger diameter, bigger width, coarser tread. The heavier the wheels and tyres or the bigger the diameter, the more HP is required to accelerate them. In addition, the coarser tread, the more drag is created at the tyre/roller interface and again, the more HP is soaked up. In addition, tyre pressure changes the readings as well. The lower the tyre pressure, the more hp is soaked up, the higher, the less power is soaked up. (next time when on the rollers listen to the amount of noise coming off the tyres and also how hot the tyres and rollers get - all the energy for that noise and heat comes from the engine - hence dropping your measured rwkw number)

2wd vs 4wd can also affect power readings. In 4wd mode the engine again is accelerating a larger mass (transfer case, front diff and axles, front wheels and tyres), as well as being subjected to extra load tue to the losses at the tyre roller interface.

Add to this of course the fact that as a motor ages it gradually loses power as well - ie a 300,000 km old motor will make less power than a 30,000 km old one.

If you want to go for a number on a dyno, run in 2wd with the smallest diameter, lowest profile rubber, smoothest tread tyres you can with as much tyre pressure as you can.

In regard to the hp numbers quoted with turbo kits - prettymuch without exception all are stating a flywheel number, not a rear wheel number. This is because they are meant as a comparison to the oem vehicle manufacturers quoted flywheel number, and also because the final measured rear wheel number can vary so much due to the reasons I stated above.

Again, don't be too fussed about comparing dyno numbers across different dynos and drivetrain setups - there is a lot of variability in the measurement. The only time you can begin comparing engine HP of two cars across two dynos is when you know that the two dynos are set-up the same (ie both in shootout mode for dyno dynamics dynos), the cars have the same gear ratios (ie both cars dynoed in 4th and have the same diff ratios), they are both run in either 2wd or 4wd and both are running the same or similar rubber. (this is especially true for 4wds as rubber can vary so much - from rubber meant for mostly on-road driving, to big Mickey Thompson off-road mud digger - both will give different readings if run back to back on the same car on the same dyno)

Providing your motor is healthy, just take the dyno number as a baseline before you start making changes, and make sure that the next time it is run on the dyno that the operator uses the same parameters and you don't change the drivetrain so you can get meaningful numbers to compare.

Hope this clears things up.

Sean

Posted: **Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:33 pm**

Little update

Posted: **Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:21 am**

That should go nicely!

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