Outer Limits 4x4 Board

mmmm, seems to be just like another thread. I'll make the same offer here though. If anyone has a system running on a vehicle, petrol, lpg, diesel I will run it on the dyno at no cost, if it works we should see a discernable difference in power with the system on or off. I'd like to see for myself.

Joel

You'll just be paid off by the oil companies to hide the truth You're working for them, gathering and hiding all the revolutionary ideas....




Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:You'll just be paid off by the oil companies to hide the truth You're working for them, gathering and hiding all the revolutionary ideas....




Steve.

But don't they pay well.

I'll take it.

ISUZUROVER wrote:

KiwiBacon wrote:

Gwagensteve wrote:There's so may laws of physics being bent or broken here its funny.

5 times the distance?

They've turned their car from 25% efficient into 125% efficient. But not to worry, big oil will pay to shut them up soon and they'll disappear before offering proof.

Well put guys!!!

All these guys have forgotten the immortal words of Scotty: "ye canna change the laws of physics"

And let's not get into the zero point energy people and the people who think that if you vibrate the water molecules at just the right frequency they split apart as if by magic.

Heard of string theory? the law that combinds all of the laws into 1 mathematical equation.

So far it's only worked to some extent but once you start to go into the atomic level those laws don't work anymore, so there's another completely different set of laws for the atomic level.

Also you can produce some energy from vibrating water molecules... how do you think microwaves cook food?

a lot of the physics stuff has been lost over the years, as there's a US guy that can move a 10 ton barn around the backyard by himself without cranes.

if you went to an engineer these days, they'd say you can't do that, that would go against the laws or facts but it doesn't.

KiwiBacon wrote:

Gwagensteve wrote:You'll just be paid off by the oil companies to hide the truth You're working for them, gathering and hiding all the revolutionary ideas....




Steve.

But don't they pay well.

I believe they pay in bullets or maybe knifes... if their really wanting to fork out the cash.

zagan wrote:Heard of string theory? the law that combinds all of the laws into 1 mathematical equation.

It's a theory - mathematicians playing with equations - it's not a "law". Which is not to say that it's not very exciting stuff. I remember reading about everything being explained by one theory - which requires 11 dimensions. Unfortunately, they can't identify all 11 dimensions. We've got three dimensions of space, time is considered a 4th dimension (by some) but there's still 7 or 8 more dimensions to be found before that theory really works. Oh, so close!

zagan wrote:Also you can produce some energy from vibrating water molecules... how do you think microwaves cook food?

How do you think microwaves cook food?

It's all to do with temperature, which is a measure of the speed with which stuff moves at the atomic/molecular level. Higher temperature means the atomic bits are moving faster. Microwaves accelerate the movement of the water in the food, which increases the temperature of the water. The increased temperature is what cooks the food.

Or, maybe the microwaves split the water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen, which then spontaneously ignite, and it's that combustion which heats the food!

Hang on. When I heat water, it get's very hot before it starts to make bubbles. But I'm sure string theory can explain that...

Microwave ovens don't "produce" energy. They take energy in the form of electricity, turn it into microwaves (another form of electromagnetic energy), which then heats the food - as described above. Microwaves do not miraculously "create" energy.

zagan wrote:a lot of the physics stuff has been lost over the years, as there's a US guy that can move a 10 ton barn around the backyard by himself without cranes.

Moving a barn? I've gotta ask for a link, because I think we're losing something again. Perhaps there's a youtube video of this mobile barn? Does the guy have a wand?

zagan wrote:if you went to an engineer these days, they'd say you can't do that, that would go against the laws or facts but it doesn't.

I'll believe it when I see it.

I placed a pyramid over my carby and it rearranged the electrodes of my spark plugs.

zagan wrote: Heard of string theory? the law that combinds all of the laws into 1 mathematical equation.

So far it's only worked to some extent but once you start to go into the atomic level those laws don't work anymore, so there's another completely different set of laws for the atomic level.

Also you can produce some energy from vibrating water molecules... how do you think microwaves cook food?

a lot of the physics stuff has been lost over the years, as there's a US guy that can move a 10 ton barn around the backyard by himself without cranes.

if you went to an engineer these days, they'd say you can't do that, that would go against the laws or facts but it doesn't.

I think you should bow out of this discussion too. Lest you have to reregister under another name so people will take you seriously again.

zagan wrote:

ISUZUROVER wrote:

KiwiBacon wrote:

Gwagensteve wrote:There's so may laws of physics being bent or broken here its funny.

5 times the distance?

They've turned their car from 25% efficient into 125% efficient. But not to worry, big oil will pay to shut them up soon and they'll disappear before offering proof.

Well put guys!!!

All these guys have forgotten the immortal words of Scotty: "ye canna change the laws of physics"

And let's not get into the zero point energy people and the people who think that if you vibrate the water molecules at just the right frequency they split apart as if by magic.

Heard of string theory? the law that combinds all of the laws into 1 mathematical equation.

So far it's only worked to some extent but once you start to go into the atomic level those laws don't work anymore, so there's another completely different set of laws for the atomic level.

Also you can produce some energy from vibrating water molecules... how do you think microwaves cook food?

a lot of the physics stuff has been lost over the years, as there's a US guy that can move a 10 ton barn around the backyard by himself without cranes.

if you went to an engineer these days, they'd say you can't do that, that would go against the laws or facts but it doesn't.

Before you write anything else - you REALLY need to read this book:
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=xzC ... il#PPA8,M1

zagan wrote:

ISUZUROVER wrote:

KiwiBacon wrote:

Gwagensteve wrote:There's so may laws of physics being bent or broken here its funny.

5 times the distance?

They've turned their car from 25% efficient into 125% efficient. But not to worry, big oil will pay to shut them up soon and they'll disappear before offering proof.

Well put guys!!!

All these guys have forgotten the immortal words of Scotty: "ye canna change the laws of physics"

And let's not get into the zero point energy people and the people who think that if you vibrate the water molecules at just the right frequency they split apart as if by magic.

Heard of string theory? the law that combinds all of the laws into 1 mathematical equation.

So far it's only worked to some extent but once you start to go into the atomic level those laws don't work anymore, so there's another completely different set of laws for the atomic level.

Also you can produce some energy from vibrating water molecules... how do you think microwaves cook food?

a lot of the physics stuff has been lost over the years, as there's a US guy that can move a 10 ton barn around the backyard by himself without cranes.

if you went to an engineer these days, they'd say you can't do that, that would go against the laws or facts but it doesn't.

I have a degree in applied physics .. so I am pretty familiar with String theory ... stop typing before you embarrass your self further ...

ooooh, I just thought of a great hydrogen gas source that these schemes have failed to capitolize on .. The hydrogen gassing out from the vehicles battery .. tap into this vein of hydrogen and simply keep your petrol tank for starting the vehicle .. 500 kilometers to the litre stuff easy.

love_mud wrote:ooooh, I just thought of a great hydrogen gas source that these schemes have failed to capitolize on .. The hydrogen gassing out from the vehicles battery .. tap into this vein of hydrogen and simply keep your petrol tank for starting the vehicle .. 500 kilometers to the litre stuff easy.

But we're missing the big picture here! Petrol, diesel, LPG, CNG - they're all hydrocarbons. And each molecule of fuel has HEAPS more hydrogen atoms than water, so why are we worrying about water?

If we split the fuel molecules we should be able to release all this hydrogen, and use it to boost the efficiency of burning the fuel - which we just split...

And what will we do with the left over carbon???

-Scott- wrote:

love_mud wrote:ooooh, I just thought of a great hydrogen gas source that these schemes have failed to capitolize on .. The hydrogen gassing out from the vehicles battery .. tap into this vein of hydrogen and simply keep your petrol tank for starting the vehicle .. 500 kilometers to the litre stuff easy.

But we're missing the big picture here! Petrol, diesel, LPG, CNG - they're all hydrocarbons. And each molecule of fuel has HEAPS more hydrogen atoms than water, so why are we worrying about water?

If we split the fuel molecules we should be able to release all this hydrogen, and use it to boost the efficiency of burning the fuel - which we just split...

And what will we do with the left over carbon???

I totally overlooked that ... bucky balls .. Yr12 Chem makes a comeback ..

Better yet, lets take CO2, split it into carbon and oxygen, then burn the carbon in the oxygen. No need to waste any of our precious water.

We would be taking all that nasty CO2 from the atmosphere, turning it into something useful, and generating more CO2 which we can turn into fuel!

your lpg system sounds old are you running vapour injection gas system power is similar to std fuel with good economy as well

-Scott- wrote:Better yet, lets take CO2, split it into carbon and oxygen, then burn the carbon in the oxygen. No need to waste any of our precious water.

We would be taking all that nasty CO2 from the atmosphere, turning it into something useful, and generating more CO2 which we can turn into fuel!

Pure Genius.