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evan..... u have too much money!

Z()LTAN wrote:evan..... u have too much money!

how???
and that didnt answer any of my questions

the twin turbo 200 series motor in theory will bolt to the manual box.
the computer controls motor and gearbox which is the hassle. theres no computer tune that runs the twin turbo with manual box
wether the box can handle the torque i dont know


i dont think anyone has come up with a solutuion or way to make a manual work with the twin turboed version

I'm not sure the manual box can handle the torque of the twin turbo setup, hense the auto only option.

I think in South africa (or some where not Oz) you can get a 200ser with a manual but it only has the single turbo motor.

then you have the computer problem as above.

i have been considering the whole toyota v8 thing but for me the twin turbo is going to be a pain as the gearbox is all wrong for anything other than a 200 due to the transfer case drive shaft out put positions

the single turbo v8 while good is not enough of an upgrade over my current 100 series 1hdfte which has the same basic std power and torque as the ute single turbo v8 to warrant the effort and expense

I think the way to go is to get a duramax and fit that i am not a chev fan as such but the awesome power and torque coupled with the fuel consumption speaks for its self far surpassing the toyota v8

a duramax can be had for the same cash as a 200 series donk but would be a lot less trouble with the gearbox and integrating the wiring
plus huge aftermarket support with software and performance parts

The 70 series single turbo V8 is apparently detuned a lot so that the drivetrain can handle it, so I assume it might be possible to get a lot more out of it.

How much does the Duramax cost, what capacity is it (6.6L?), and any idea if it fits in/between a pre-V8 70 series chassis?

i have sized one up for my 80 it will fit between the rails as far as i can tell but the 70 is narower
from memory the top of the engine head to head was only 900mm length about the same
the engine phyiscally is not huge but the accessories to look after the engine are huge ie turbo and ducting exhaust etc the intake is 4 inch
the fan is bigger than an 80 series radiator of course all this can be changed
as the thing wont work half as hard in a little truck like a toyota

cost i got quoted about 17000 for engine ecu loom and alison 6 speed auto
with mods these engines put out 1000 hp and over 1200nm
an adapter would be needed to put the gearbox to the transfer
so all up probably another 6 grand if i do all the stuff myself

the plan was to start soon but i am a bit high on commitments at the moment moving countries etc

Thanks for the info.

Was the $17000 in Australian dollars?

And was that landed in Australia, including GST/import duties/shipping/etc., or was that the price from the US without getting it here?

that was off the floor in brisbane
in aus dollars

I just googled Duramax and found this.........


http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/ ... index.html


very impressive!!!

Hey guys had a quick read through this thread and I am very interested in doing this conversion into my 80 series 4.2td sahara. Few questions tho i would like to put the 70 series V8 and manual box into the car but how much modifyin would have to be done to change trannys?? Also I would like to keep the factory f&r lockers but would the 4.11 ratios have to b changed??

Hey guys had a quick read through this thread and I am very interested in doing this conversion into my 80 series 4.2td sahara. Few questions tho i would like to put the 70 series V8 and manual box into the car but how much modifyin would have to be done to change trannys?? Also I would like to keep the factory f&r lockers but would the 4.11 ratios have to b changed??

richo_turbo60 wrote:Hey guys had a quick read through this thread and I am very interested in doing this conversion into my 80 series 4.2td sahara. Few questions tho i would like to put the 70 series V8 and manual box into the car but how much modifyin would have to be done to change trannys?? Also I would like to keep the factory f&r lockers but would the 4.11 ratios have to b changed??

Hi everything you want is possible
what gearbox do u have is yours an auto now?
if not and its a manual is very easy basically the same as an 80 series tranny
you would have to put free wheeling hubs on and depending on what year your car is shorten the cvs 411's will be fine just put 33's on it anyway

i just did a 100 series 1hdfte last week with imobaliser etc etc into an 80 l i am back in brisbane and setting up workshop to carry out conversions
here is a pic of the stand alone loom to run the engine that i made for that car

it will be the same style of thing for the v8 conversion just a few of wires to connect to the dash and one to the battery all fuses are included with the necessary relays in the stand alone loom

l currently have the 4-speed electronically controlled with lock up torque converter (A442).

Its a 1993 sahara and im looking at already putting free wheeling hubs and part time kit in it however if l do this conversion l wont need the part time kit only the hubs.

how much shorter would the cvs need to be?

also lm not very electical handy how much would someone charge to assemble the loom/

because you have an auto you will need to relocate your crossmember forward the manual box is shorter also you will need to get your driveshafts relenghtened front and rear and clutch pedal etc
its no problem wiring wise as its just a matter of deleting what is there and bypassing the neutral start switch

i could do the loom but i prefer to be there for start up incase there are any problems as it gets very messy trying to sort problems by remote control
normally problems are because of immobaliser issues , faulty components ,accident damage or poor handling to the donor loom that cannot be seen ie broken wires inside insulation.
but what ends up happening is people blame the loom straight away and people get all upset
only to find out after it was not the loom at all.
if i am onsite for start up i can sort out the issues quite quickly and carry out fault analysis

your cvs need to be about 8mm shorter
you may already have the short ones as your car is close to the change over date

And what would you charge if you had the trucks there to do the conversion?

richo_turbo60 wrote:And what would you charge if you had the trucks there to do the conversion?

if it were a manual to manual conversion i would say $4000( i know its not a man)
with both trucks supplied at my workshop in brisbane and the donor truck is running with imobaliser system complete
that includes
the engine mounted
all accessories connected and working "excluding hose cost for ac and power steer pump(if mods required that cannot be carried out in house)"
new engine mount locations as required
the wiring completed
the engine running
ac gassed

what it wont include but i can organise at your additional cost is
exhaust
bonnet scoop
driveshaft length changes
any radiator or fan upgrade costs
any special airbox if requested
auto to manual conversion including custom linkages
constant to part time modification

The 200 series is avaliable with a manual Box. Just not in Australia, the manual version is Detuned some 200 nm o torque compared to the auto

A few more updates on the conversion and the pages.

I've replaced the radiator with one by Aussie Desert Cooler, which seems to have solved the overheating issue (although I'll have to wait for summer to be positive).

The big change though is that I've installed a Tunit performance chip, which has transformed the vehicle. I can't believe how much difference it's made. I got more of a performance boost from installing the chip than from the conversion itself! Holy crap it goes now!

Radiator details here:
http://www.australianimages.com.au/conv ... ndex4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Performance details and some comparisons before and after here:
http://www.australianimages.com.au/conv ... ndex5.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

When I get a chance, I'll do a proper video of the conversion and put it up.

Quote "you would have to put free wheeling hubs on and depending on what year your car is shorten the cvs 411's will be fine just put 33's on it anyway "

Sorry for the dumb question, but if just changing the gearbox and engine, why might you need to change the CV's length? I am sure I am missing something obvious.....

AustImages wrote:A few more updates on the conversion and the pages.

I've replaced the radiator with one by Aussie Desert Cooler, which seems to have solved the overheating issue (although I'll have to wait for summer to be positive).

The big change though is that I've installed a Tunit performance chip, which has transformed the vehicle. I can't believe how much difference it's made. I got more of a performance boost from installing the chip than from the conversion itself! Holy crap it goes now!

Radiator details here:
http://www.australianimages.com.au/conv ... ndex4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Performance details and some comparisons before and after here:
http://www.australianimages.com.au/conv ... ndex5.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

When I get a chance, I'll do a proper video of the conversion and put it up.

Looks like a decent improvement.

One point you've missed with the reasons for the fuel economy increase is not that the 1VD is commonrail, but that the old 1HZ is indirect injection. The indirect injection engines are quiet and smooth but terribly inefficient. If you were to compare a 1HD-FTE to your 1VD the fuel consumption difference would be minimal.

Yes I second that. I saw an earlier post that said that the economy would be streets ahead of a 1HD conversion. factory Auto TD 100 series often get near 10 on the hwy and around 12 around town. Since 1HD family are all DI, there shouldnt be too much in it. Not that I wouldnt want the V8 - Awesome, especially the SOUND with a straight through exhaust! Someone must be trying to put together a turbo upgrade for these surely....

Dieslex wrote:Someone must be trying to put together a turbo upgrade for these surely....

Would you like a gearbox upgrade with that sir?

I don't see why you couldn't put the twin turbo setup on the single turbo engine, using a good performance chip to up the fuel?

As for the manual box holding up, well it may do alright. I think clutches will be another issue. Some people have really poor habits wich would see something with 800-1000nm of torque burning one out very quickly.

oldmate wrote:I don't see why you couldn't put the twin turbo setup on the single turbo engine, using a good performance chip to up the fuel?

As for the manual box holding up, well it may do alright. I think clutches will be another issue. Some people have really poor habits wich would see something with 800-1000nm of torque burning one out very quickly.

they run variable vane turbos thats why

I would run a GQ 5 speed. They are big, and strong, and I reckon could handle the twin turbo diesel.

[quote="oldmate"]I don't see why you couldn't put the twin turbo setup on the single turbo engine, using a good performance chip to up the fuel?

thats what i thought too but would/could the computer/vnt be able to account for half the exhaust flow through 2 turbos now instead of 1? could each vg turbo be held in the smaller turbo/a/r/faster spooling characteristic for longer to compensate for half the ex flow? a chip might change fuel and timing but you need to change the way the vnt is controlled maybe????

Howdy all,

The conversion is written up in this month's 4WD Action for anyone interested. It's issue #156.

Hi all,

I finally got around to uploading a video of the truck driving on road, off road and on Fraser Island last month. If you can stomach me yabbering for the first 30 seconds, you can find the video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYKOBhZ2P7M

Also, the nice blokes down at 4WD Action have let me upload the PDF of the complete article they did here:

http://www.australianimages.com.au/pdf/ ... riesV8.pdf

AustImages wrote:Hi all,

I finally got around to uploading a video of the truck driving on road, off road and on Fraser Island last month. If you can stomach me yabbering for the first 30 seconds, you can find the video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYKOBhZ2P7M

Holy crap that sounds good.

What are my chances of getting one into the GQ do you think? I really wish Nissan would bring out a good TD in the new Patrol.