ICV process Had meeting with engineer. IT WILL PASS!!!!!!

[grimbo]

sweet.

Now just find some terrain and run your very own King of Hammers

[bru21]

I would be lying if I said the thought hadn't crossed my mind.

About 1000 times!!!!

[grimbo]

there must property somewhere suitable. Probably some farm in the Kimberley tho. Another option maybe get in touch with a property like Willow Springs in the Flinders Ranges. As they already have the Skytrek 4wd loop there. There would be ample tracks and obstacles plus they have the wide open spaces for the high speed bits

[RO8M]

and keeping a cost tally.

... any ballpark you're willing to share on projected total outlay? (minus tooling)

And again, effin well done!!
You must have been studying some sort of engineering, yeah?

[bru21]

cost tallytop of my head as I'm at work- roughly:

Motor loom, ecu, maf tune, immob etc 7k

gearbox 3.1k
transfer .2k
diffs .7k
steel 4k
laser cutting .5k
alu sheet .6
steering inc wheel, quickner, quick release, box etc 1k
shocks 10k
adr 2k
wheels / tyres 3k
driveshafts .6k
lights / electrical .8k
fuel tank / pump .8k


total roughly $34300 plus labour (free)

as for the property, would be sweet. Hopefully I have started something here and it will progress.

as for doing some sort of engineering, no I haven't. I have a belief that I can achieve anything I put my mind to. break things into smaller sections and Its all easy.

cheers bru

[grimbo]

and how many man hours do you reckon it will take to build rather than how long in months?

[1MadEngineer]

there must property somewhere suitable. Probably some farm in the Kimberley tho. Another option maybe get in touch with a property like Willow Springs in the Flinders Ranges. As they already have the Skytrek 4wd loop there. There would be ample tracks and obstacles plus they have the wide open spaces for the high speed bits

We have the perfect place! has full insurance for unreg vehicles as well. 120km of enduro trails with 1-3ft jumps and huge rock sections as well. Next year we might organise a comp, but its hard cus 99% of competitors that COULD enter wouldn't cus you said there would be those nasty things called ROCKS. Dont forget the main group of competitors would either be buggies that really aren't setup for speed, or winch trucks which don't have any front diff strength (mainly nissan). We are building a Truck to try and be competitiive in this sort of stuff (eg KOH style stuff) and would love to run this sort of event but i can't see it happening. Some of the winch truck would do well in a lot of the sections but it will come to a halt quickly when there are serious rock sections with nothing to winch off but F####'n big boulders.

But if when your finished you ever want to go for a play then we would love to head out for a long weekend!

[ISUZUROVER]

That is awesome!
Is it a LRover on a tractor chassis or something?

No, it's a landrover chassis with planetary hubs and tractor tyres. They were made in a small batch for the department of forestry in the UK in the 1960's by Land Rover. The forestry commisison had a specification for being able to climb over 16" logs or something. I think the Dunsfold Land Rover museum in the UK still has a couple.

As an aside, tractors don't generally have chassis at all- the gearbox casing is a structural member and the cab and guards just bolt to the gearbox.

There were also bolt on track converted rovers (the "cuthbertson" from memory) and turbocharged 9.00X16 tyred sailsbury diffed land rover trucks prototyped too in the 60's.

Land rover tried all sorts of interesting stuff in the 60's which all culminated in the Range Rover, designed in 1967 - Along with the unimog and the Hummer H1, Still one of the most elegant peices of off road vehicle design ever IMHO.

PS Well done Bru21 - I've bench raced your idea to do something similar before but there's a big difference between talking about it doing it.

Steve.

Slight correction/addition. They were made by a company called "Roadless Traction" who mainly did 4x4 conversions to 4x2 tractors. AFAIK it was just a project for a cheap go anywhere vehicle, not specifically for the forest commission.

The complete axle assemblies were swapped out for alternate assemblies. Diffs are roughly 3:1, so are the reduction hubs. Brakes are HUGE - about 15" drums, as is the brake MC.

There were 15 sets of axles made, but only 9 vehicles.
2 were purchased by a scottish hydrology research group (I have seen one of these in the "flesh"!)
1 was purchased by a farmer in the falklands (his son still owns it).

The only downsides were the track difference F-R (about 74" and 67") - which made for some strange characteristics in ruts, and the lack of diff locks - I have never been able to identify what the diffs are from, some suggest they were a custom item manufactured by roadless traction.

If I built one it would be with 7.17"1 D60s F+R, of equal track! (and lockers)

[grimbo]

there must property somewhere suitable. Probably some farm in the Kimberley tho. Another option maybe get in touch with a property like Willow Springs in the Flinders Ranges. As they already have the Skytrek 4wd loop there. There would be ample tracks and obstacles plus they have the wide open spaces for the high speed bits

We have the perfect place! has full insurance for unreg vehicles as well. 120km of enduro trails with 1-3ft jumps and huge rock sections as well. Next year we might organise a comp, but its hard cus 99% of competitors that COULD enter wouldn't cus you said there would be those nasty things called ROCKS. Dont forget the main group of competitors would either be buggies that really aren't setup for speed, or winch trucks which don't have any front diff strength (mainly nissan). We are building a Truck to try and be competitiive in this sort of stuff (eg KOH style stuff) and would love to run this sort of event but i can't see it happening. Some of the winch truck would do well in a lot of the sections but it will come to a halt quickly when there are serious rock sections with nothing to winch off but F####'n big boulders.

But if when your finished you ever want to go for a play then we would love to head out for a long weekend!

just need to build into the terrain winch points, score them depending on their location within the obstacle.

[1MadEngineer]

there must property somewhere suitable. Probably some farm in the Kimberley tho. Another option maybe get in touch with a property like Willow Springs in the Flinders Ranges. As they already have the Skytrek 4wd loop there. There would be ample tracks and obstacles plus they have the wide open spaces for the high speed bits

We have the perfect place! has full insurance for unreg vehicles as well. 120km of enduro trails with 1-3ft jumps and huge rock sections as well. Next year we might organise a comp, but its hard cus 99% of competitors that COULD enter wouldn't cus you said there would be those nasty things called ROCKS. Dont forget the main group of competitors would either be buggies that really aren't setup for speed, or winch trucks which don't have any front diff strength (mainly nissan). We are building a Truck to try and be competitiive in this sort of stuff (eg KOH style stuff) and would love to run this sort of event but i can't see it happening. Some of the winch truck would do well in a lot of the sections but it will come to a halt quickly when there are serious rock sections with nothing to winch off but F####'n big boulders.

But if when your finished you ever want to go for a play then we would love to head out for a long weekend!

just need to build into the terrain winch points, score them depending on their location within the obstacle.

NOOOOOOOOOO, if they want to WINCH then go do a WINCH CHALLENGE, KOH is all about having a rig that can drive hard and fast. otherwise i may as well enter a WRX with a highmount!

[Gwagensteve]

X boggeddytrillion.

Winch challenges are dumb. Cars are for driving, not winching.

Steve.

[ISUZUROVER]

X boggeddytrillion.

Winch challenges are dumb. Cars are for driving, not winching.

Steve.

x PetaMegaboggedy

[1MadEngineer]

I think if you turned up to KOH in a winch truck you would be stoned to death, or hung by some crazy white-hooded seppo!

[Micka]

there must property somewhere suitable. Probably some farm in the Kimberley tho. Another option maybe get in touch with a property like Willow Springs in the Flinders Ranges. As they already have the Skytrek 4wd loop there. There would be ample tracks and obstacles plus they have the wide open spaces for the high speed bits

We have the perfect place! has full insurance for unreg vehicles as well. 120km of enduro trails with 1-3ft jumps and huge rock sections as well. Next year we might organise a comp, but its hard cus 99% of competitors that COULD enter wouldn't cus you said there would be those nasty things called ROCKS. Dont forget the main group of competitors would either be buggies that really aren't setup for speed, or winch trucks which don't have any front diff strength (mainly nissan). We are building a Truck to try and be competitiive in this sort of stuff (eg KOH style stuff) and would love to run this sort of event but i can't see it happening. Some of the winch truck would do well in a lot of the sections but it will come to a halt quickly when there are serious rock sections with nothing to winch off but F####'n big boulders.

But if when your finished you ever want to go for a play then we would love to head out for a long weekend!

DO IT!!!!!!

And do it SOON!!!

KOH is farkin insane.

I have heard on the grapevine that Cliffhanger is seriously considering adding some courses that are similar to the KOH.

[grimbo]

there must property somewhere suitable. Probably some farm in the Kimberley tho. Another option maybe get in touch with a property like Willow Springs in the Flinders Ranges. As they already have the Skytrek 4wd loop there. There would be ample tracks and obstacles plus they have the wide open spaces for the high speed bits

We have the perfect place! has full insurance for unreg vehicles as well. 120km of enduro trails with 1-3ft jumps and huge rock sections as well. Next year we might organise a comp, but its hard cus 99% of competitors that COULD enter wouldn't cus you said there would be those nasty things called ROCKS. Dont forget the main group of competitors would either be buggies that really aren't setup for speed, or winch trucks which don't have any front diff strength (mainly nissan). We are building a Truck to try and be competitiive in this sort of stuff (eg KOH style stuff) and would love to run this sort of event but i can't see it happening. Some of the winch truck would do well in a lot of the sections but it will come to a halt quickly when there are serious rock sections with nothing to winch off but F####'n big boulders.

But if when your finished you ever want to go for a play then we would love to head out for a long weekend!

just need to build into the terrain winch points, score them depending on their location within the obstacle.

NOOOOOOOOOO, if they want to WINCH then go do a WINCH CHALLENGE, KOH is all about having a rig that can drive hard and fast. otherwise i may as well enter a WRX with a highmount!

yep but these trucks already exist whilst those suitable for KOH aren't. Get people competing with the hope they will then build suitable rigs.

anyway this is a topic for its own thread not a hijack. Sorry bru

[Thor]

Bru mate great stuff! Just had to pass on a vote of confidence!!
Please made sure you have a buildup thread too!

I know theres some comps that have rules against ICV but you're prob not going in them with this so no dramas

Cheers,
Thor

[RO8M]

full time 3rd year uni!

cheers bru

If you don't mind me asking, what was the course then? Seems you're into fab for a living? (totally aside from this proj?)

[bru21]

thanks all,

RO8M,

I did biomedical science at uni as I was going to go on to do med. I decided that It was not the best path for me and now I work for a PVC compounding company. I do all sorts from formulating pvc compounds, running lab trials through to designing PVC fencing systems. I installed 2/3 of the factory basically by myself (sparky did electrics) which includes everything from building mezanines, installing 65kw high speed mixers / extruders through to programming load cells for ranger units. Its a family buisness so I have no real job description and work where needed.

as I have said before on here- there is no need to have a trade / engineering degree etc to build things. you can learn anything especially with the internet. I also have adhd and need constant stimulation

[DJR96]

Hey Bru, good to see some good aussie ingenuity and the effort made to get such a rig road registered.

I'm doing the whole ICV process myself too so I know it takes a bit of effort but mostly quite do-able.

I just want to make a mention to you (and anyone contemplating an ICV) to do it properly, don't stretch the interpretations of what can and can't be done too far. And don't "undo" anything that was required to pass. Any undermining of the process could potentially see it canned entirely and we'd all lose out then. For the state authorities, ICV's are an extra workload that they would be happy to do without. Our engineer (I use him too) is good, open minded and is prepared to accommodate some interesting engineering work. And a nice bloke too. Well worth looking after him!

You may have already seen it, but here's my project in progress:-
http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/show ... hp?t=36370

[Gwagensteve]

You may have already seen it, but here's my project in progress:-
http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/show ... hp?t=36370

wow.

Steve.

[vanbox]

You may have already seen it, but here's my project in progress:-
http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/show ... hp?t=36370

wow.

Steve.

Said it in one mate. i have been watching it for the last 12 months and am astounded by DJR's work. I wish Bru all the best with his build. Look forward to both finished products.

cheers

PAUL

[Jaffa]

Bump:

Just a quick question Bru, whats it like getting insurance for an ICV, Im guessing it would be fairly expensive. Also is your yearly registration any different to a standard vehicle (cost and inspections)?

[money_killer]

have u started this build yet?

[lolergram]

Just something to look out for with the s15 6 speed box, its not known for strength, I am not too sure what the issue is/was but you might want to find out a bit of info on it (unless you already have!).

Maybe try: http://www.nissansilvia.com/
In the forum section.

Since you will be handling the box, you might aswell make sure its not going to go bust quick too.

Good luck with all the building, I think we all would love to see progress pics!

Hope all goes well!

[Jaffa]

Build thread is here http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic160542.php

[ISUZUROVER]

Bru - I will ask a Q here rather than the build thread...

You are fitting 37's? On axles (and brakes) which came with 32's originally? Were there any issues with this and/or how did you get around it? Decrease in mass of the vehicle compared to original application???

Feel free to PM answer if you don't want to post.

[bru21]

few answers.


insurance is very cheap as people with icv's are generally careful with them. the 7 is under $300 from memory (old man's rating one).

registration is different as mentioned earlier. same cost, same intervals etc. needs re engineering every 5 years and upon sale. The cost is not great compared to building my buggy. about 2k should see it rego'd / eng.

the 6 speed is not that strong but compared to a t50 etc they are good. the car weighs 600kg so way under designed limit of s15

37's are not an issue for any reason except speed rating. need to have car limited under 160kph. The diff history (where / what from is not needed. Icv process does not look at component strength - thats the engineers / builders decision. I showed him siggy and he's happy (siggy meets adr's with 44's). the fact i'm using gu's is comparable / stronger to stock 80's so its sweet.

cheers bru

[ISUZUROVER]

re engineering every 5 years and upon sale.

Thanks for that. So does this mean the full fee again every 5 years? Or just checking all is as-engineered and there are no major issues developing.

[bru21]

Just a minor inspection fee. The 7's total eng bill was under $800. I would a ssume a re-inspection would cost $200 odd.

cheers Bru

[chimpboy]

Just a minor inspection fee. The 7's total eng bill was under $800. I would a ssume a re-inspection would cost $200 odd.

cheers Bru

I reckon it might be so that you don't make lots of changes post-engineering, since it would be hard for anyone to know what you'd done.