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Just wondering if there's been any more progress on the winch installs.
Andrew

Andrew,
winch ships from Florida today, so 2 weeks max they claim. Its coming airfreight via Fedex.

I have been using mine a lot lately (any excuse i can find to winch large trees off the track or old car wrecks around) and couldn't be happier.

It ended up costing me
$850 for Runva 10000lb winch.
$600 for pump and clutch
$200 in laser cutting and a few fittings.

That's about it.

I didn't bother with a cooler or counter balance valve. After a few consecutive winches the oil gets fairly warm (guessing 60+ deg C from touching motor) which shows that the solenoid directional valve block and 3/8" dia oil hoses are on the smallish size.

My recommendation for anyone that wants a hydraulic winch is to get one of the 40cc/rev clutch pumps from surplus center or muncie and you would end up with one very fast and powerful winch.

P.S Also found that Eaton has just released a series of clutch pumps and their brochure is here.

http://www.eaton.com/ecm/groups/public/ ... 177292.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Any of these big clutch pumps can transmit a lot of power.

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Guys,

I have finished the 12000lb MM hydraulic winch, AGR Super P power steering pump and remote reservoir. All went straight forward for as far as a custom install ever goes.
Pump is running at 1450rpm, and is over-driven via single A section belt. The pump has a 76PCD pulley, driven by a 170PCD driver, mounted on crank pulley. This speed is achieved at idle 650rpm. No slip or squeal but have not loaded it up yet.
I have not installed a cooler, but will be shortly based on the temps today after 1 hour of garage set-up time. I measured the temps via an infra red thermometer. After 1 hour cycling high and low speed, oil temp was 107DegC, Pump 109DegC, Hoses 95DegC, so the system gets pretty hot. The standard remote valve supplied by Milemarker is rated to 7.5USGPM, but has 1/4" ports, so I suspect the rating is ambitious and also based on a very cold environment and low duty cycle rating. Maybe if you ran say 5GPM the heat would not be as great - I am trying to push around 7.5 thru mine, but with the high heat, suspect this is not being achieved .
Winch runs smooth after all the air is purged, which took about 30 minutes of cycling. Oil was pretty foamd up and did expand out of the reservoir a couple of times, making a hell of a mess in the engine bay - lid not on at the time due to monitoring. The major difference is the winch doesn't sound like it is making a bit deal out of its operation compared to an electric which makes a racket from start to finish - have owned 3 warns and 2 milemarker electrics, all sounded like they were struggling from the get-go - maybe just a quirk of the electric motor.
I am running 3/8" high pressure hoses for supply and 1/2" on suction and return. The port size of the DCV didn't warrant anything larger as I wouldn't have gotten any value out of it.
Had a minor hassle with the TJM/Ox hand controller as it was incorrectly wired - stuffed around for a couple of hours getting to the bottom of that one - not happy at the time.
I have a pressure gauge with flying lead to hook up yet, plus am looking at a fan forced cooler for sure - need to find out whats around. The hyd hose guy reckons the cooler could see up to 1000psi from spikes at valve change over - not sure but its put a doubt in my mind about the cheap ebay coolers until I get further info.
So, first off is to have a play with the set-up as is, then look at a bigger valve, and a high capacity cooler. I have taken some pics, but still trying to work out how to post - did a trial last week and it worked, but need to redo it again.
Cost, well more than I wanted lets say that. Still jousting with Milemarker about the freight and customs charges, which were supposed to be included in the price, then they added them after, charging the credit card above the agreed amount - not happy, but looks like I will get the unit for the quoted price. So,
Winch $700USD, AGR Pump and reservoir,$525USD, Hoses $350AUD, Hand controller and plug socket,$95AUD
Based on previous posts, the unit avail from Harcourt Vic is a great deal. I don't know if it is single or dual speed, but when you look at the rating of the high gear on this winch, doubt it will see much use - too low.

Here are the pics of the imstall. Sorry about the size though

http://s722.photobucket.com/albums/ww23 ... C00076.jpg

http://s722.photobucket.com/albums/ww23 ... C00077.jpg

http://s722.photobucket.com/albums/ww23 ... C00080.jpg AGR Remote reservoir behind passenger headlight

http://s722.photobucket.com/albums/ww23 ... C00081.jpg Pump installed with temp torque bracket in place for winching only. Belt in place, takes 10 secs to put on, 2 mins to adjust

http://s722.photobucket.com/albums/ww23 ... C00085.jpg Outlet of reservoir, in pass side wheelwell, 1/2" return hose protected by outer hose, protective box to be installed around actual fitting

http://s722.photobucket.com/albums/ww23 ... C00086.jpg

http://s722.photobucket.com/albums/ww23 ... C00088.jpg Winch motor side viewed from underside of vehicle, installed in GQ ARB delux steel bar - not much room to spare

http://s722.photobucket.com/albums/ww23 ... C00088.jpg

http://s722.photobucket.com/albums/ww23 ... C00089.jpg Gearbox side view from underside of vehicle

http://s722.photobucket.com/albums/ww23 ... C00092.jpg Pressure gauge and flying lead to be installed in retrieve line hose of winch

http://s722.photobucket.com/albums/ww23 ... C00093.jpg Original fan is spaced off water pump by 30mm to give clearance for new A section drive belt off crank pulley

PBBIZ you need to edit your link and put in the direct link address so you get the full sized phots's. Here it is anyway







































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Grant,

thanks for this. I practiced on the test section, then obviously did something different. How do I do the change you have suggested?

Phil

PBBIZ2 wrote:Grant,

thanks for this. I practiced on the test section, then obviously did something different. How do I do the change you have suggested?

Phil

You need to put your picture url in between these

or click the Img button up top of the posting box, then again after you paste your link, press it before and after each picture link.

marin

Grant, Marin,

thanks for the heads up. It took a couple of tries, but got it right now.

regards

i want to see this thing in action

money_killer wrote:i want to see this thing in action

x2 Are yous buying the Runva's locally?

Die Crest engineering, http://www.truelocal.com.au/business/di ... g/harcourt sells them. He usually has them for sale on his EBAY store, but just give them a ring im sure they will help you out. They are pretty good to deal with.

Has anyone played around with a pto and gear pump set up, would be interested to see or hear of those set ups too, the pros and cons.

Cheers Russ

Any chance of a vid to see it in action?

I am away with the car this next weekend so will see about some footage. Terrain is nothing exciting, more to try the thing out and respool the cable under load. Line speed is lower than expected, still not at the cause yet. Currently around 2.5-3M/min in low gear. Have got temps down on fluid using a cooler so am pleased with that. Unit is very quiet in operation, hardly hear it working above the engine noise.
Phil

I just watched a a good winch test comparison video on Mile Markers website located here. Well worth a watch.

http://www.milemarker.com/video/comparison.html

I tested my winch out on bitumen the other day. With the brakes on and all four wheels locked up, and it had no trouble leaving rubber behind. (Should be as expected though.)

The only problem i have is that the clutch is in a very awkward place to get to behind the bullbar, and it is near impossible to reach when you are in a deep mudhole. I think i will need to make an extension of some sort so that it is easy to operate. Dave have you changed your clutch lever on your Runva.?


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Interesting how the warn didnt perform very well.
The electrics would have been close to the hydraulic if they were conected to an alternator as it would have added approx 25% to them.
Hydraulic winches are very slow but like it has been said to me before, what is an hour winching time compared to hours walking to get someone to pull you out, or at the very least, how long will it be before the mate you rang to come and pull you out gets there?
Where did you get your milemarker winch from in the states?

I also purchased and installed the MM 12000lb hyd, detailed in earlier portions of this thread. I went direct to MM in Florida and did the deal. They were very helpful and bent over backwards, but they do run on the 'big corporate model' regarding delivery, so you will usually have to wait until their system grinds through the process - what I'm saying is, they don't/can't react quickly if you want one in a hurry. Ex their door though, different story - I had the winch in 6 days!

Be aware though that the apparent saving isn't really there as you need to factor in the exchange rate, freight internal USA,freight ex USA, customs clearance, customs duty, GST, local aust freight ex Sydney as this where it arrives. Believe me, it adds up fast and significantly.

Like the other guys, I was looking for something a little different, so the overall project grew and grew over time. I am happy with the end result, but can still see areas for improvement.

raptorthumper wrote:Dave have you changed your clutch lever on your Runva.?

I am currently not running the under paneling on the winch bar so I can get to the lever. But something needs to be done.

My initial plan is to stick in some pneumatics and switch it in and out from the dash or add something on the controller, but that is a larger project and I haven't had a chance to start that.

But I don't think this issue it specific to these winches, the design of the ARB bar I have has no access anyway. Which suggests that ARB didn't consider that their customers where actually going to use the winches?

- David.

I have a MM in my factory GU nissan bar. It has the removable plate in the top of the bar which usaly houses the warn cantrol box, i i can rear my leavers thru there.
I see the chinese winches also come in 2 speed. that is beter than the ones that were for sale on ebay as they were only single speed that i seen.

Just noticed that the 15000 lb TJM OX is actually a Runva winch.

http://www.tjmgeebung.com.au/winches.htm

Does very much look like a Runva. Lets see how many of the OX range get converted over.

Should also give us Runva owners a convenient supply of spare parts.

- David.

Hi
A high flow pump will help but if you what good speed change the motor on the winch and run a good amount of pressure and it will still pull hard. I have a milemarker H12. The pump is ran off a pto box on the gear box and i have a different motor on the winch. I normaly use the winch in low gear as you loss to much pulling power in high. In low it will pull at about 80 to 85 foot a minute and with a pulling force off about 10500 pounds. you find a elec winch that will do that. you can buy what is called the R type H12 from 4x4winches but they are pricey. if you type R type winch in to google there are vids on you tube of them. based my setup on them and I am very happy with my winch.

Do you know the specs on the motor and pump.?

Also this thread is a detailed rebuild with pics for the Mile Marker winches.
Good read.

http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=25692


Also these threads

http://www.firstfour.co.uk/p0/milemarke ... 391739.htm

http://www.firstfour.co.uk/p0/drive-sys ... 398998.htm

http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=6086

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Hi

raptorthumper the pump is a relond XV 2P-D 19cm3 and the motor is a ren-tek BMP,080-2EDN can't remember what I set the releif valve at but i think it was about 1600psi.

I just found a seller on ebay UK, that sells Clutch pumps and mechanical reversing clutches. I like the mechanical clutch.!! They have 3 models rated to heaps of power. 30Kw, 40Kw or 60Kilowatts.

Here is their store:

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/harrierfluidpowe ... &_osacat=0

Someone might be interested in this gear.

How are those Runva winchs going. Staying together ?
Much progress on amking them faster ?

AFeral wrote:How are those Runva winchs going. Staying together ?
Much progress on amking them faster ?

Mine is working fine, but doesn't get much of a work out. Has been just extra weight on the front of the truck for a while now. Will have to check that is it all ok in the next week or so ready for a trip coming up soon.

Still haven't modified the PS pump as I have been busy chasing overheating issues. Will spend some time over summer on the pump.

- David.