Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Utemad wrote:

300TDi wrote:

Why not just put a blown fuse into the appropriate fuse position. They would have a hard time trying to prove you did it on purpose.

You'll never pull that off if you've fitted a non-airbag bar to an airbag equipped vehicle. That doesn't comply with the Aust Std on bull bars, hence the insurance company will drop the ball on you for that one too.

I said that in regards to disabling the airbags to fit the body lift. Not about the non-airbag bar.

As much as I don't really want to personally find out, it would be interesting to hear from people that have had their insurance companies not pay out for an accident because they have fitted larger tyres or some sort of modification that isn't 100% approved. Everyone seems to carry on like it is the end of the world and insurance companies will try to get out of any payment etc but who has actually had this happen to them?

A bit off topic... maybe we should start another tread.
A mate of mine, bigger tyres, suspension lift, rolled his 4b and caravan and was paid out no questions asked. AAMI.

munch wrote:For some people its all about the look.

Not sure what your reffering to there. If you mean my truck, you'd be hard pressed to find someone that uses more off road...... Doesn't mean you cant keep it looking good tho, especially with the $$ spent on it.

Sometimes its not a case of the insurance company not paying out but reducing the amount that they pay you out i.e. like just paying for the other persons car that was smashed/written off etc

As for ADR compliancing as someone said before there is a different steering coloum for non air bag and airbag cars the air bag ones crush more easily than the non air bags as for the increase in room that the air bag takes up ( pretty sure its that way round) don't quote me though
seat belt pretentioners are different as well

Afriend of mine installed a set of sparco seats in a BMW and he had to take all the sensors out of the original seat and have everything working before he could start the car, pulling the fuse made no difference

Maybe with the nissan it is different but Usually a air bag wont go off even if you are playing with it electrically there are 3 i think sensors in an air bag system that need to activate before it is relased ie one in the front bumper a G meter in the cabin and one in the dash.

FWIW with removing airbags as far as up here (qld) i'm pretty sure regardless of what you do if it came with air bags they stay

You just have to remember that car manufacturers don't have to build cars with soft crash pads in the dash now as the airbag system covers this clause in the adr's

remove the airbags and you have a non compliant crash zone
ok its fair enough its your car but what happens if you let your mrs take it down the shop or something like that?

if it was proved that the reason someone died in the vehicle you would be held accountable regardless of any engineering certificate or not as you modified it against adr's and adr's override state laws etc

instead of the state laws for modifications etc(as this is major structural)
you should be looking at the ADR's
Not to mention the lack of forward protection for your car in the event of running up the back of a vehicle you would go strait over the top

I know its all good stuff for 4x4ing etc with good clearences but you do have to think about the other majority that uses the road!
I have another car that the top of the door line is arond750mm of the ground I have installed a cage for side impact protection etc cause it doesnt take much from a larger vehicle to do major damage

Sure you can do the "get a bigger car etc" but its what i enjoy, i also have a street setup and a track setup for the car, 4x4's (extreme) should be the same use a normal bar by week and swap it for an event etc
(BTW i did get a big car as well) though i remove the TJM bar for city driving

you can have the biggest tyres or the highest suspension but it doesn't do shi7 when your car has rolled over and burning on the side of the road!

I don't want to flame your bar just some more info to think about it looks well constructed etc so credit for that

btw As its a prototype bar etc with the kick edge on the bottom of the bash plate i would consider having it the other way ie going up instead of down as it would act as a barb if you got yourself over a stump or raock and you could possibly do some major front end damage by pulling the top of the bar into the bonnet or worse twisting a chassis railby them coming closer together

I am a sheet metal worker by trade so this is sorta right up my way
maybe some heavy wall rhs from the bottom of the winch area to arround the sway bar area
not sure whats there to attach it to though as don't know the nissans that well

food for thought anyway you have to start somewhere and constructive criticisim is better than a kick in the teeth

Ryan.

80-RPM wrote:btw As its a prototype bar etc with the kick edge on the bottom of the bash plate i would consider having it the other way ie going up instead of down as it would act as a barb if you got yourself over a stump or raock and you could possibly do some major front end damage by pulling the top of the bar into the bonnet or worse twisting a chassis railby them coming closer together

The turned down lip helps protect the top joint of the panhard etc. the rods are close behind this and I would doubt that there is room for it to get jammed... tho I've been wrong many times before... lol

food for thought anyway you have to start somewhere and constructive criticisim is better than a kick in the teeth

Ryan.

Agree...
thanks.

The problem with these bars is it fuels the whole bull bar debate. I understand the comp guys using these but to have them for a vehicle that is driven around town is a joke. There are plenty of people that use the standard bars for hard 4wdriving without any hassles.

The problem with these bars is it fuels the whole bull bar debate. I understand the comp guys using these but to have them for a vehicle that is driven around town is a joke. There are plenty of people that use the standard bars for hard 4wdriving without any hassles.

The problem with these bars is it fuels the whole bull bar debate. I understand the comp guys using these but to have them for a vehicle that is driven around town and weekend work is a joke. There are plenty of people that use the standard bars for hard 4wdriving without any hassles.

munch wrote:The problem with these bars is it fuels the whole bull bar debate. I understand the comp guys using these but to have them for a vehicle that is driven around town and weekend work is a joke. There are plenty of people that use the standard bars for hard 4wdriving without any hassles.

I understand your point here, but may I suggest anyone who wants looks alone has prolly got a lote of much more dangerous mods etc than a scary looking tube bull bar. Frankly I dont feel there would be a great deals of additional damage the other car in the event of an acco of you had a custom tube bar so it is really just a matter of it looking worse (damage wise not asthetics) and if you hit a pedestrian at 80kays they are going to die full stop

My rig is starting to lok quite imposing on the road. The hight of the bonnet is about the same as the roof hight of some other cars...
I take this into account when driving around and make sure I dont get too close to other vehicles, that the lights dont shine in other vehicles and that I dont obstruct others views at intersections. Driven properly and responsibly the imact of such a vehicle can be limited. All said I might look at getting a car for day 2 day...

As far as the bar is concerned, it certainly is on the edge of the rules... At least there is no sharp protusions that many other bars have. eg. the fairlead mounting on the ARB GQ bars...

GUJohnno wrote:My rig is starting to lok quite imposing on the road. The hight of the bonnet is about the same as the roof hight of some other cars...
I take this into account when driving around and make sure I dont get too close to other vehicles, that the lights dont shine in other vehicles and that I dont obstruct others views at intersections. Driven properly and responsibly the imact of such a vehicle can be limited. All said I might look at getting a car for day 2 day...

As far as the bar is concerned, it certainly is on the edge of the rules... At least there is no sharp protusions that many other bars have. eg. the fairlead mounting on the ARB GQ bars...

my GQ is like this, and it is ammzing how many people flash there lights at me as they think I have high beams on

Tiny wrote:
my GQ is like this, and it is ammzing how many people flash there lights at me as they think I have high beams on

This is why I keep close eye on where the light reaches on the car in front of me. If it starts reaching the top of the boot i'll back off slightly...

Tho the other day I was following a Lotus Elise and I flooded the interior of it. Little can be done when someone has something that small.

GUJohnno wrote:

Tiny wrote:
my GQ is like this, and it is ammzing how many people flash there lights at me as they think I have high beams on

This is why I keep close eye on where the light reaches on the car in front of me. If it starts reaching the top of the boot i'll back off slightly...

Tho the other day I was following a Lotus Elise and I flooded the interior of it. Little can be done when someone has something that small.

Yeah, I leave plenty of room, but some cars (mx5 etc) are so small they are getting hit with lights from commos and when you are at trafic lights my lights just about shine over the roof

Gribble wrote:The only adr related problem you would have dramas with is the forward facing bar around the spotties, other than that there shouldnt be a drama.

Looks f*ckin cool btw.

Yes they ADR compliant, As the reg's read (there are a few holes). the top hoop is in a bit of a grey area, and so are the recovery hoops, but as the top is not a sharp or point protruding it is not a real issue and as the recovery hoops are behind the main hoop they are ok. in reference to this style of bar the main hoop that crosses the vehicle is classified as the main body of the bar.

and yes Nam it's me.

Stu

gtwebbie wrote:

YankeeDave wrote:bar looks great,

however i too am worried about the fwd facing top hoop. I was under the impression when i made my bar that this is illegal. and besides why put it so far fwd.

other than the top bar, i love the look of it, and looks good

I recon its based on the yankee comp versions so that when you roll the bar acts as a piviot point /\ but this one has a flat top so it would not work.my 2c worth.

your right buy a /\ doesn't comply ADR's

Stu

i guess i should give you guys a bit of a run down on me and the stuff we make.

i'm a Vehicle Body Maker by trade (used to be called Coach builders), and i've also got a diploma in Mech Eng. i've been in the auto industry pretty much all my life (family used to run a bus company) and ive been working "professionally" in the industry for over 16years, and i've worked on everything from D9 bulldozers, semi's, rigid's, buses, coaches, 4x4's, Rolls Royce's and Ferrari's. and pretty much everything in between.

I've also been involved in many different types of motor sport, you've got no chance when most of your family are rev heads.

so what do we do.

Winch bars, we have a base design for 80 series GU GQ and RR, which is basically the cradle, and the main hoop, and from there we can and do customize them suit your needs. all our cradles are rated at 16000Kg or ~32000lbs and are made of Bisalloy and HA350 Mild Steel. the tube we use is a CDW (Referred to as DOM in the USA) which has a TS (Tensile strength) of 600Mpa, most steel roll cages are made out of tube with a TS of 350Mpa.

Suspension, we lower, we raise, we do coil over, air bag, as well as suspension design, linkage, leaf, and wishbone.

Chassis, shortening, lengthening, widening, narrowing, and space frame

Basically the only thing we don’t do is mechanical work.

if you have any questions or comments you can contact us on
(03) 5755 5175 or F.A.T@bigpond.com

If you don't like my bars tell me why, because i don't know unless you tell me


so where does FAT come from?
Freedom Automotive Technologies P/L
Because you are free to do anything.


Stu

This bar is now for sale.
Check it out here.
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... hp?t=79426

Why are you selling it? Not happy or something different?

So what's the go??? Is the bar not up to standard or you going for a better tube job??? ................Pete!

I have been very happy with the bar. But I'm selling my truck and have stripped it back to standard.
In a few months I'll prolly by a GQ shortie and I'll get another to suit it.

GUJohnno wrote:

Sold my ARB bar and 10,000lb low mount for $2,450.00.
That paid for the bar, winch and body lift.

How much was the bar?

I got a good price for the bar. Still it was more than I'm selling it for now.
The strength is in th quality of materials and the increadible welding.

Stu, might be calling you when the new projects gets started