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professor wrote:

RUFF wrote:

customhilux wrote:a tube bender wont do pipe,

also tube is measured on the OD
and pipe is measured on the ID.

Really?? We use a Tube bender on Pipe all the time. Bends Perfect. You just need to get the right Formers.

We use a Speedworks Air/Hydro bender.

Got my Speedworks Air/Hydro bender today WOW these are great I should have got one years ago. money well spent for accuracy

Got a web site on these?
Also how much did it set you back? (if you dont mind me asking?)

ausyota wrote:

professor wrote:

RUFF wrote:

customhilux wrote:a tube bender wont do pipe,

also tube is measured on the OD
and pipe is measured on the ID.

Really?? We use a Tube bender on Pipe all the time. Bends Perfect. You just need to get the right Formers.

We use a Speedworks Air/Hydro bender.

Got my Speedworks Air/Hydro bender today WOW these are great I should have got one years ago. money well spent for accuracy

Got a web site on these?
Also how much did it set you back? (if you dont mind me asking?)

www.speedwerx.com.au

It cost me $1720 to my door
1 bender $1080air/hydro
1 die set(38.1)$520
transport

I got the air/hydro it was $300 dearer.

Talk to stewart. 0427406980

Chad

ok, i was talking to a bloke today about pipe benders. it suddenly occured to me that a thicker wall on the pipe would obviously be harder to bend. to make a set of sliders with some 4mm wall pipe, will a 16 tonne press do the job?????

Just wondering , Not that you can tell heaps from a pic but ,
I got a bender and had to bend somthing , so this is the suff i.ll be making my frame from these are my first two bends , this was with the provided former for 32nb ,
will the Dawn die make a great difference ?
I checked the super cheap bender , the dies still had heaps of casting marks motelling the surface , even what seemed to be a seam thru the centre of the 40 die,
The one i got was a actually cheaper then the super cheap and the dies seem much better , Buggered if i know

But heres 2 pics of 2 bends ,will the dawn die do better ?, one is about 100deg
other 95 , Going past deforms the material more, Just wondering worth spending another $100 or so .

mickyd555 wrote:ok, i was talking to a bloke today about pipe benders. it suddenly occured to me that a thicker wall on the pipe would obviously be harder to bend. to make a set of sliders with some 4mm wall pipe, will a 16 tonne press do the job?????

the cheap bender i bought recently is rated at 16 tonne, and has bent 32NB with 3.2mm wall, the pipe is slightly loose in they die, as i have imperial dies, but i will be looking at some metric diesin the future,

and i paid $179

I have a 16Tonne cheapo bender too. We've used it on 40nm 3.7mm wall with good success.
The dies gave us about 8 bends before they started getting a bit sloppy 0 but that was enough - and now I'm just gonna buy some better quality dies......
money no object I'd have a tube Shark in my garage

Dozoor wrote:Just wondering , Not that you can tell heaps from a pic but ,
I got a bender and had to bend somthing , so this is the suff i.ll be making my frame from these are my first two bends , this was with the provided former for 32nb ,
will the Dawn die make a great difference ?
I checked the super cheap bender , the dies still had heaps of casting marks motelling the surface , even what seemed to be a seam thru the centre of the 40 die,
The one i got was a actually cheaper then the super cheap and the dies seem much better , Buggered if i know

But heres 2 pics of 2 bends ,will the dawn die do better ?, one is about 100deg
other 95 , Going past deforms the material more, Just wondering worth spending another $100 or so .

thats pretty awesome there dozoor i bought a bender last week and the stock dies are absolute crap

Looks good Dozoor!


Now Your making me think!

My cheapy bends 32NB great.
I have bent up some sliders for the wifes zook.
I have solved the denting of the pipe from the rollers simply by placing a piece of angle iron between the pipe and the rollers to spread the load. It works a treat.
Paul.

Dozoor wrote:Just wondering , Not that you can tell heaps from a pic but ,
I got a bender and had to bend somthing , so this is the suff i.ll be making my frame from these are my first two bends , this was with the provided former for 32nb ,
will the Dawn die make a great difference ?
I checked the super cheap bender , the dies still had heaps of casting marks motelling the surface , even what seemed to be a seam thru the centre of the 40 die,
The one i got was a actually cheaper then the super cheap and the dies seem much better , Buggered if i know

But heres 2 pics of 2 bends ,will the dawn die do better ?, one is about 100deg
other 95 , Going past deforms the material more, Just wondering worth spending another $100 or so .

Larry the cheap die will work fine for a little while then they start to spread and thats when they start kinking the tube.The dawn die is a lot stronger and doesn't suffer from this problem.
We use a JD3 bender from the states is awsum have the hydro attatchment know which makes it even better.Will bend 180 degrees no worries.Will actully go further is just hard to get the tube out of the die.
SAM

OVERKILL ENGINEERING wrote:

Dozoor wrote:Just wondering , Not that you can tell heaps from a pic but ,
I got a bender and had to bend somthing , so this is the suff i.ll be making my frame from these are my first two bends , this was with the provided former for 32nb ,
will the Dawn die make a great difference ?
I checked the super cheap bender , the dies still had heaps of casting marks motelling the surface , even what seemed to be a seam thru the centre of the 40 die,
The one i got was a actually cheaper then the super cheap and the dies seem much better , Buggered if i know

But heres 2 pics of 2 bends ,will the dawn die do better ?, one is about 100deg
other 95 , Going past deforms the material more, Just wondering worth spending another $100 or so .

Larry the cheap die will work fine for a little while then they start to spread and thats when they start kinking the tube.The dawn die is a lot stronger and doesn't suffer from this problem.
We use a JD3 bender from the states is awsum have the hydro attatchment know which makes it even better.Will bend 180 degrees no worries.Will actully go further is just hard to get the tube out of the die.
SAM

i googled that bender, but only got american prices that were old.....when did you buy it and how much was it??

OVERKILL ENGINEERING wrote:

Dozoor wrote:Just wondering , Not that you can tell heaps from a pic but ,
I got a bender and had to bend somthing , so this is the suff i.ll be making my frame from these are my first two bends , this was with the provided former for 32nb ,
will the Dawn die make a great difference ?
I checked the super cheap bender , the dies still had heaps of casting marks motelling the surface , even what seemed to be a seam thru the centre of the 40 die,
The one i got was a actually cheaper then the super cheap and the dies seem much better , Buggered if i know

But heres 2 pics of 2 bends ,will the dawn die do better ?, one is about 100deg
other 95 , Going past deforms the material more, Just wondering worth spending another $100 or so .

Larry the cheap die will work fine for a little while then they start to spread and thats when they start kinking the tube.The dawn die is a lot stronger and doesn't suffer from this problem.
We use a JD3 bender from the states is awsum have the hydro attatchment know which makes it even better.Will bend 180 degrees no worries.Will actully go further is just hard to get the tube out of the die.
SAM

Thanks sam i seen the jd3, on a link from pirate ,
Yes its real hard to release the dies on the cheapy , If i need some 180 s i,ll be on your door step !

I havnt got a stiaght piece of tube in the shed now
Hope i don,t need to replace an axle bearing soon

Heres the link for sams one http://www.medfordtools.com/mb3.html

Don,t know if the price is old ,


Larry.

Dozoor wrote:Just wondering , Not that you can tell heaps from a pic but ,
I got a bender and had to bend somthing , so this is the suff i.ll be making my frame from these are my first two bends , this was with the provided former for 32nb ,
will the Dawn die make a great difference ?
I checked the super cheap bender , the dies still had heaps of casting marks motelling the surface , even what seemed to be a seam thru the centre of the 40 die,
The one i got was a actually cheaper then the super cheap and the dies seem much better , Buggered if i know

But heres 2 pics of 2 bends ,will the dawn die do better ?, one is about 100deg
other 95 , Going past deforms the material more, Just wondering worth spending another $100 or so .

the dawn die won't kink the internal surface of the bend like the tube you have there. it also won't flatten out the bend like those ones. those bends look good untill you put a bend done with the dawn dies (or a real bender) next to them, then they look shithouse.

If the JD3 were to be imported to OZ with a die or two for less than $1500 it would be comparable to speedwerx price. Does anyone know if it can be done?

Wendle wrote:

Dozoor wrote:Just wondering , Not that you can tell heaps from a pic but ,
I got a bender and had to bend somthing , so this is the suff i.ll be making my frame from these are my first two bends , this was with the provided former for 32nb ,
will the Dawn die make a great difference ?
I checked the super cheap bender , the dies still had heaps of casting marks motelling the surface , even what seemed to be a seam thru the centre of the 40 die,
The one i got was a actually cheaper then the super cheap and the dies seem much better , Buggered if i know

But heres 2 pics of 2 bends ,will the dawn die do better ?, one is about 100deg
other 95 , Going past deforms the material more, Just wondering worth spending another $100 or so .

the dawn die won't kink the internal surface of the bend like the tube you have there. it also won't flatten out the bend like those ones. those bends look good untill you put a bend done with the dawn dies (or a real bender) next to them, then they look shithouse.

Owwwe That just stings Wendle Hhehe
So Does Any Body have the P/N for the 32nb Dawn die ?
Please .

Larry

Dozoor wrote:

Wendle wrote:

Dozoor wrote:Just wondering , Not that you can tell heaps from a pic but ,
I got a bender and had to bend somthing , so this is the suff i.ll be making my frame from these are my first two bends , this was with the provided former for 32nb ,
will the Dawn die make a great difference ?
I checked the super cheap bender , the dies still had heaps of casting marks motelling the surface , even what seemed to be a seam thru the centre of the 40 die,
The one i got was a actually cheaper then the super cheap and the dies seem much better , Buggered if i know

But heres 2 pics of 2 bends ,will the dawn die do better ?, one is about 100deg
other 95 , Going past deforms the material more, Just wondering worth spending another $100 or so .

the dawn die won't kink the internal surface of the bend like the tube you have there. it also won't flatten out the bend like those ones. those bends look good untill you put a bend done with the dawn dies (or a real bender) next to them, then they look shithouse.

Owwwe That just stings Wendle Hhehe
So Does Any Body have the P/N for the 32nb Dawn die ?
Please .

Larry

AWW Dozoor they look pretty good to me mate!

Dozoor wrote: So Does Any Body have the P/N for the 32nb Dawn die ?

I can probably get you a Part number from work tomorow.
Paul.

Dozoor wrote:So Does Any Body have the P/N for the 32nb Dawn die ?
Please .

all of them listed here
http://www.blackwoods.com.au/keywordsea ... ractItems=

So what do people use to bend upto 3 inch pipe. I priced a 80mm enerpac former $1180 .

LudaCris

that price is ludachris

I was thinking about getting the speedworx bender and Dawn dyes as people are saying that they are good qaulity or should I grab the speedworx former.

LudaCris

$1180 is LudaCris. .

ThX Wendle ,

Well heres a pic for people that don,t know what where on about ,

The Dawn is the top one and is a bigger radius so that in its self should help to reduce the deformity's , the lower one is one of the four supplied with the bender,.

Bender is a 12 ton , Toolex Cheapy $195,From Gasweld gosford .
Dawn die 32nb $111 , Blackwoods Tuggerah.

Thanks Guys for some direction here , saved me time and money.

Now DAWN dies are the go but black pipe is 48.3 OD and the closest Dawn dyes are 50mm. What pipe are we talking about using with the Dawn dyes to prevent crushing.

LudaCris

The former size refers to the nominal ID of the pipe so you need the 40mm die.

Regards Charlie

Here’s some info on steel tube, page 8 deals specifically with bending using the Dawn formers.
http://www.edconsteel.com.au/pdfs/infor ... ctions.pdf

Regards Charlie

Blackwoods have one on special ATM for $975, some brand starting with B

i'm bending my sliders at the moment, heavy wall pipe, so no deforming or dents from the rollers done one bend with the cheap die, sweet, loved it,

did the next and the die was already stretched, so now i'm getting the dawn die abit quicker hahaha, was planning on using a dawn die to do the bullbar, ohh well.

so people to stop dents from the rollers, just use heavy wall.

Shouldn't really use anything under medium wall for bending generally, tis the acvice I used to give when I sold steel anyway

customhilux wrote:i'm bending my sliders at the moment, heavy wall pipe, so no deforming or dents from the rollers done one bend with the cheap die, sweet, loved it,

did the next and the die was already stretched, so now i'm getting the dawn die abit quicker hahaha, was planning on using a dawn die to do the bullbar, ohh well.

so people to stop dents from the rollers, just use heavy wall.

That way you dent the die instead of the pipe

I said before how to stop dents in the pipe.
Like this.
My MS paint skill are not the best but you get the idea
Paul.