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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 11:56 pm
by frp88
Strange Rover wrote:Humpy wrote:Strange Rover wrote:
Looking at $2800 installed by us (Haultech)
Sam
Thats interesting
Sam Keck (overkill) has bumped his price from $2750 for my brother to $3500 quoted for my dads lux, apparently because Haultech are using better components now
Like I said - installed by us.
For us the basic components that can be fit to any vehicle is easy to produce - the hard part is actually making these components fit any vehicle.
When we started looking at selling the traction control we were just going to fit it to any sort of vehicle that we could. We have thought about how this would or could evolve and we have now changed our direction a bit.
Our plan now for the traction control is to initially develop kits for vehicles that you carnt get air lockers for - we believe that this is the easiest and most cost effective way for us to introduce this to the market. It also gets around the issue of our product being directly compared against the airlockers etc. which will always be an issue for this product (look at the number of times I have answered this question).
The other issue is of course being able to service this product - until we get to the point were we have lots of these things running around and lots of different people that know a bit about them (to fix them if they ever fawk up) we will be picky about who we sell to and where the vehicle is going to operate. The last thing we need is for our product to go somewhere and rip a wire off something and stop working and have no body to be able to fix it.
So if somebody rings up and wants traction control on something that fits these criteria then I bend over backwards and get it installed anywhere for the $2800 because this is the market we want to target - if there is no other locker option ill even make it happen if the vehicle goes to a remote area (which just takes more risk on our part dollar wise to make happen)
If somebody has a vehicle that you can buy airlockers for then I will ask lots of questions as to why they want the traction control and what they are going to do with it. I dont want anybody buying this product with false expectations cause thats not the way to get a new product happening.
Basically in the case of putting the setup on a hilux Im not developing a kit for it so to do that install its a full custom job (or a job thats not subsidised by Haultech) So for Overkill this is where the extra expense is - he has to make up the install kit himself.
Sam
that is what i thought it could be for the terrican which has a good diesel now
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:26 pm
by Humpy
Strange Rover wrote:Humpy wrote:Strange Rover wrote:
Looking at $2800 installed by us (Haultech)
Sam
Thats interesting
Sam Keck (overkill) has bumped his price from $2750 for my brother to $3500 quoted for my dads lux, apparently because Haultech are using better components now
Like I said - installed by us.
For us the basic components that can be fit to any vehicle is easy to produce - the hard part is actually making these components fit any vehicle.
When we started looking at selling the traction control we were just going to fit it to any sort of vehicle that we could. We have thought about how this would or could evolve and we have now changed our direction a bit.
Our plan now for the traction control is to initially develop kits for vehicles that you carnt get air lockers for - we believe that this is the easiest and most cost effective way for us to introduce this to the market. It also gets around the issue of our product being directly compared against the airlockers etc. which will always be an issue for this product (look at the number of times I have answered this question).
The other issue is of course being able to service this product - until we get to the point were we have lots of these things running around and lots of different people that know a bit about them (to fix them if they ever fawk up) we will be picky about who we sell to and where the vehicle is going to operate. The last thing we need is for our product to go somewhere and rip a wire off something and stop working and have no body to be able to fix it.
So if somebody rings up and wants traction control on something that fits these criteria then I bend over backwards and get it installed anywhere for the $2800 because this is the market we want to target - if there is no other locker option ill even make it happen if the vehicle goes to a remote area (which just takes more risk on our part dollar wise to make happen)
If somebody has a vehicle that you can buy airlockers for then I will ask lots of questions as to why they want the traction control and what they are going to do with it. I dont want anybody buying this product with false expectations cause thats not the way to get a new product happening.
Basically in the case of putting the setup on a hilux Im not developing a kit for it so to do that install its a full custom job (or a job thats not subsidised by Haultech) So for Overkill this is where the extra expense is - he has to make up the install kit himself.
Sam
Fair enough
That makes sense
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:01 pm
by Beastmavster
Basically what we've seen is that most people who can get lockers would tell them to bugger off at that price ($3500) anyway. For many vehicles you could get air lockers fitted front and rear paying full retail for less than that.
So looking at them from that perspective I think they're on to the right market (the people who have no choice).
However, there's a very good reason why lockers havent been developed for most of these rigs and it's because people aren't gonna do that kind of 4wding in them.
I still dont think there's much chance of these being commercially successful unless they're cheaper than airlockers and available for mainstram 4wd models to get volume sales, but good luck to them for putting out an alternative.
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:07 pm
by bushytas
Anyone got pictures of all the parts would like to see a picutre of the kit ?
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:52 pm
by Strange Rover
The packaging of the computer has changed but these are the basic components.
Sam
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 1:03 pm
by Momo
Will you be doing a kit for the grand vitara?
Are there any options for interstate buyers?
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:37 pm
by bushytas
So by the looks of the parts it’s just an over engineered ABS kit operated by air.
But every wheel has its own master cylinder to control the flow of fluid and pressure
So in other words if you knew a bit about this you could maybe run out and buy an abs brake system of a vt vr vs commodore and set one up your self and probably cost loads less ?
I might be wrong and I would say DON’T TRY this at home folks
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:49 pm
by RaginRover
bushytas wrote:So by the looks of the parts it’s just an over engineered ABS kit operated by air.
But every wheel has its own master cylinder to control the flow of fluid and pressure
So in other words if you knew a bit about this you could maybe run out and buy an abs brake system of a vt vr vs commodore and set one up your self and probably cost loads less ?
I might be wrong and I would say DON’T TRY this at home folks
ABS sensors are no where near accurate enough and you can knock yourself out trying ......
Tom
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:02 pm
by F'n_Rover
IMO the easy bit would be the pneumatics and hydroulics.
hard bit - sorting out software that does a good job.
Lots of trial and error.
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:22 pm
by Strange Rover
bushytas wrote:So by the looks of the parts it’s just an over engineered ABS kit operated by air.
But every wheel has its own master cylinder to control the flow of fluid and pressure
So in other words if you knew a bit about this you could maybe run out and buy an abs brake system of a vt vr vs commodore and set one up your self and probably cost loads less ?
I might be wrong and I would say DON’T TRY this at home folks
Have a look on the first page of this thread for a better description ..... but you are right it is a very simple system. You could apply the brakes in a thousand different ways and the setup would still work.
popeye is right - its the software that is the clever part.
Sam
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:38 pm
by F'n_Rover
Sam - have you guys thought about adding push button fiddle brakes as an option ?
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:30 am
by Strange Rover
popeye wrote:Sam - have you guys thought about adding push button fiddle brakes as an option ?
I have (or had) this on the lockless - just had 4 extra buttons - one for each wheel. Didnt really use them much except to do front digs when i wanted to lock the rear brakes.
Sam
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:06 pm
by Momo
Momo wrote:Will you be doing a kit for the grand vitara?
Are there any options for interstate buyers?
Hmmm, I guess it's no to both then.
Or selective hearing.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:04 pm
by bad_religion_au
Momo wrote:Momo wrote:Will you be doing a kit for the grand vitara?
Are there any options for interstate buyers?
Hmmm, I guess it's no to both then.
Or selective hearing.
read the whole thread... it can be adapted to any vehicle... and they'd prefer to do the fitting themselves in queensland, but as overkill have installed it, perhaps there is a dealer in your state...
why not contact the company directly instead of sobbing on a bullitin board
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:27 pm
by Momo
nice one *edit*
I have read the whole thread and every other one, and searched the net, and tried to email them.
AFAIK the guys posting here are the company involved.
If they make a kit for a specific vehicle, then I would say the chances of them selling it interstate will improve.
Instead of putting forward my 2c like everyone else I'm actually interested in buying it.
**EDIT ***
No sledging here thanks, RaginRover
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:48 pm
by RaginRover
Momo wrote:nice one *edit*
I have read the whole thread and every other one, and searched the net, and tried to email them.
AFAIK the guys posting here are the company involved.
If they make a kit for a specific vehicle, then I would say the chances of them selling it interstate will improve.
Instead of putting forward my 2c like everyone else I'm actually interested in buying it.
**EDIT ***
No sledging here thanks, RaginRover
Call Sam and ask him - or send him a PM
Tom
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:15 pm
by bad_religion_au
found in this thread
RaginRover wrote:
1. Portable - can fit any vehicle
Strange Rover wrote:
So if somebody rings up and wants traction control on something that fits these criteria then I bend over backwards and get it installed anywhere for the $2800 because this is the market we want to target
they are the company involved, but some might not take a comment on a bullitin board as seriously as they might take a phone call enquiry.
and i want to know what the sledging said
i can take it
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:13 pm
by Momo
bad_religion_au wrote:found in this thread
RaginRover wrote:
1. Portable - can fit any vehicle
Strange Rover:
Our plan now for the traction control is to initially develop kits for vehicles that you carnt get air lockers for
bad_religion_au wrote:
Strange Rover wrote:
So if somebody rings up and wants traction control on something that fits these criteria then I bend over backwards and get it installed anywhere for the $2800 because this is the market we want to target
Does this mean anywhere in QL, east coast, whole of Aus?
bad_religion_au wrote:
they are the company involved, but some might not take a comment on a bullitin board as seriously as they might take a phone call enquiry.
Sure but whats wrong with asking here, its a good question that can help others who might be interested. It's nice to get as much info as possible before picking up the phone, gives you a chance to think it all through in your own time
bad_religion_au wrote:
and i want to know what the sledging said
i can take it
started with ass, ended with hole.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:15 pm
by Strange Rover
Momo wrote:Will you be doing a kit for the grand vitara?
Are there any options for interstate buyers?
Sorry - plain missed this one.
So yes we can and yes I can make it happen.
Sam
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:24 pm
by Strange Rover
Momo wrote:nice one *edit*
I have read the whole thread and every other one, and searched the net, and tried to email them.
AFAIK the guys posting here are the company involved.
If they make a kit for a specific vehicle, then I would say the chances of them selling it interstate will improve.
Instead of putting forward my 2c like everyone else I'm actually interested in buying it.
**EDIT ***
No sledging here thanks, RaginRover
Generally best to just phone us if you are serious.
I guess I dont pay as much attention to posts as i could and I can explain more in 5 minutes in a phone conversation what it would take me an hour to type here.
Sam
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:51 am
by tyurke01
thanks for the info