Outer Limits 4x4 Board

That white fibreglass sheeting on the trailer at the top of the previous page is also known as Armour Ply, it is a sandwich of ply wood with a fibreglass outer, mega strong but quite light depending on your specs, I have tested it for strength by smashing it with a sledge hammer and we couldn't put a hole in it, we were trying to simulate a horse kicking it, a mate of mine uses it to build horse floats and trucks, its awesome stuff and would be a great choice for your application. It is available in Melbourne.

Hope that is some help. Cheers, Paul

If you are serious about doing this safely, have a look at something like this,

Description: Hino FD Hawk, 6 cyl diesel, 6 spd, p/s, pan.
Price: $33,000.00
First Registered: 07 - 93
Kilometers: 639558

http://www.carrolltrucks.com/inc/trucks_5ton.php3

roadrunner wrote:If you are serious about doing this safely, have a look at something like this,

Description: Hino FD Hawk, 6 cyl diesel, 6 spd, p/s, pan.
Price: $33,000.00
First Registered: 07 - 93
Kilometers: 639558

http://www.carrolltrucks.com/inc/trucks_5ton.php3

You're off your head! I'm not going to spend $20,000 - $30,000 on a Truck that will get used once a month! I see no reason why a trailer is unsafe.

You don't happen to be the bank manager at Maquarie Bank, are you? Earning $400,000 a week.

sell the nissan and buy another F truck, nice F350 With a V8 on gas, That would be cool
Arnt the 75mm tow balls only rated to 3000kg? I know the 50mm balls are 2000kg and 2500kg

50mm balls are rated at 3500kg.....

jeep97tj wrote:sell the nissan and buy another F truck, nice F350 With a V8 on gas, That would be cool

Have to agree here.

Not having a go, but as someone with their own enclosed car trailer towed with their own vehicle at least once a month.(Not another clueless uneducated opinion)...Don't flame, but here goes .......Towing a rig that big in an enclosed trailer (i dont care what it weighs) is gonna be risky. Obviously towing involves risks anyway but to me that seems to be tempting fate .

We have electric brakes, in cab controller and a breakaway set up and its towed by a 4.6L V8 Range Rover.....although our brakes work sweet, its only a 1300kg vehicle in the trailer. IMO , i would not even consider putting that much weight behind your GQ ...

I'd be using that Armour Ply to redo the panels of the f-truck, get the weight of that down .

over summer i regularily tow a big boat on trailer, 2700kgs, with the GQ and altho it is slow to accelerate and like a snail up hills, with 4 whell electric drum brakes it stops on a dime. you can feel it pulling the patrol back. unfortunately salt water and electric brakes dont seem to match well. we have another boat on 4 wheel hydraulic disks that stops even better, only problem is Aus rules (its a yank trailer) says that over 2000kgs you can't use over-run brakes (hydraulics and cable brakes both rely on the trailer pushing against the tow ball to operate the brakes), thus you have to fit electric brakes to over 2000kgs only as far as i know. you can get electric disc breaks, instead of drums, but on a $6000 trailer the disks were a further $4000 for both the axles. $10000 on a trailer is rediculus.
maybe you could get some truck trailer air operated brakes?

napsta wrote:over summer i regularily tow a big boat on trailer, 2700kgs, with the GQ and altho it is slow to accelerate and like a snail up hills, with 4 whell electric drum brakes it stops on a dime. you can feel it pulling the patrol back.

I figured electric 12" drums on all wheels would be good, and I don't see the issue with towing a 3500kg trailer with good quality brakes that are up to the task, with a Patrol.
If I could buy a F250 or F350 4 seater 4x4 or tow with a Bronco, I would.

-Mandy- wrote:(Not another clueless uneducated opinion.

What.... This is the internet women, we cant have any of that, shame on you

so your wanting to tow a 3500kg trailer on a rig only rated to 2500kg

jeep97tj wrote:sell the nissan and buy another F truck, nice F350 With a V8 on gas, That would be cool

Be far safer than a trailer.
What about an old horse truck? Fully enclosed, beds up the front and often see them as duel cab/ 4door.

Where are you towing this thing, what do you do with it?

crankycruiser wrote:

And what's the rated tow capacity of that ute?

Scott

Less than 2000kg's is the towing capacity of a Ford Falcon Ute

CRUSHU wrote:C30's and F350's are rated to about 4000kg. They weigh about 2500 - 3000kg, depending on engine, gas tank size and tray style/size. That leaves a payload of 1000 - 1500kg at best. See my problem? Also, my truck is nearly 7 1/2 foot tall with tiny little low profile car tyres on it, and 8 1/2 foot tall with the big tyres on it. That would put the total height at between 12 - 13 feet high. Quite unstable.

This C30 has an extended chassis, to increase the payload and stability. The owner built it after loosing his 100k chev, towing it the same way as you want to.

Mad Cruiser wrote:Less than 2000kg's is the towing capacity of a Ford Falcon Ute

V8 auto AU/BA models are 2300kg. They do it easy. Manual models are rated lower. 1600kg from memory.

spazbot wrote:so your wanting to tow a 3500kg trailer on a rig only rated to 2500kg

ROFL. No-one else seems to be picking up on this part of the problem. They are rated at 2705kg, but he is still going to be at least a tonne over that

Where do you find the capacity? GU are 3500kg, and the towbar is rated at 3500kg, and it is a late GQ with the bigger brakes.

CRUSHU wrote:Where do you find the capacity? GU are 3500kg, and the towbar is rated at 3500kg, and it is a late GQ with the bigger brakes.

owners manual dude. towards the back. the two that i have owned both had the same numbers i quoted earlier in the thread.

there isn't to much different in the build of the GQ & GU & the Gu has a 3.5 ton tow rating

don't most land rovers have a 4.5 t tow rating, if this is the case, i wouldn't be worried one bit

Wendle wrote:

Mad Cruiser wrote:Less than 2000kg's is the towing capacity of a Ford Falcon Ute

V8 auto AU/BA models are 2300kg. They do it easy. Manual models are rated lower. 1600kg from memory.

spazbot wrote:so your wanting to tow a 3500kg trailer on a rig only rated to 2500kg

ROFL. No-one else seems to be picking up on this part of the problem. They are rated at 2705kg, but he is still going to be at least a tonne over that

Yeah that's how i got it off.... friend has a BA XR6t which has the lower towing capacity

Crankycruiser is nuts for towing his cruiser with that ute

-Mandy- wrote:
We have electric brakes, in cab controller and a breakaway set up and its towed by a 4.6L V8 Range Rover.....although our brakes work sweet, its only a 1300kg vehicle in the trailer. IMO , i would not even consider putting that much weight behind your GQ ...

Your Towing a 1300KG vehicle inside a trailer that weighs 1200KG that is rated to 2000KG Maximum. Looks to me that your 500KG over weight and looking for trouble.

RUFF wrote:

-Mandy- wrote:
We have electric brakes, in cab controller and a breakaway set up and its towed by a 4.6L V8 Range Rover.....although our brakes work sweet, its only a 1300kg vehicle in the trailer. IMO , i would not even consider putting that much weight behind your GQ ...

Your Towing a 1300KG vehicle inside a trailer that weighs 1200KG that is rated to 2000KG Maximum. Looks to me that your 500KG over weight and looking for trouble.

If it has electric brakes on all wheels, it can be rated over 2000kg's, possibly upto 4000kg's.

CRUSHU wrote:

RUFF wrote:

-Mandy- wrote:
We have electric brakes, in cab controller and a breakaway set up and its towed by a 4.6L V8 Range Rover.....although our brakes work sweet, its only a 1300kg vehicle in the trailer. IMO , i would not even consider putting that much weight behind your GQ ...

Your Towing a 1300KG vehicle inside a trailer that weighs 1200KG that is rated to 2000KG Maximum. Looks to me that your 500KG over weight and looking for trouble.

If it has electric brakes on all wheels, it can be rated over 2000kg's, possibly upto 4000kg's.

Last time i was talking to Rod about this trailer it only had one axle braked. And was only rated to 2000KG. It also needs a hitch rated to 4000KG at least which it didnt have at the time and also the construction of the trailer needs to suit 4000KG which last time i viewed this trailer it is not cunstructed to suit this weight.


You cant just weld a couple of bits of shit together throw 2 braked axles under it and get it complied to 4000KG capacity. It needs to be built to a standard as well. (This is not directed at Rod and Mandy's trailer) There are a lot of light single braked car trailers that could not be upgraded because of their construction.

mmm.... things are different in VIC. All I need to do it build a trailer, in any fashion, put suitably rated axles, hitch and chains on it, fit a breakaway unit, make sure it is roadworthy (lights etc) and take it down to get weighed and a vin stamped in it. I will tell them it has been rebuilt, and was first manufactured around 1988, and they will hand me plates and a sticker.

Looking at your add in vehicles for sale I see you've come around
Oh and what do you do with this thing

CRUSHU wrote:mmm.... things are different in VIC. All I need to do it build a trailer, in any fashion, put suitably rated axles, hitch and chains on it, fit a breakaway unit, make sure it is roadworthy (lights etc) and take it down to get weighed and a vin stamped in it. I will tell them it has been rebuilt, and was first manufactured around 1988, and they will hand me plates and a sticker.

You can do this in QLD as well but when it falls appart and kills someone. They are going to investigate and i doubt you will convince the investigator it is that old.

there still aren't any rules for homemade trailers. other than they meet basic road rules, like dimensions and lights etc.

RUFF wrote:

-Mandy- wrote:
We have electric brakes, in cab controller and a breakaway set up and its towed by a 4.6L V8 Range Rover.....although our brakes work sweet, its only a 1300kg vehicle in the trailer. IMO , i would not even consider putting that much weight behind your GQ ...

Your Towing a 1300KG vehicle inside a trailer that weighs 1200KG that is rated to 2000KG Maximum.

For once in this lifetime, I couldn't agree with you more Tony ...WOW...that took alot of courage to say

Hence the reason why the trailer will be upgraded and work done to suit soon. Heavier drawbar, second axle braked and a new lighter floor.

RUFF wrote:Looks to me that your 500KG over weight

Bite me biatch, you ain't no beauty queen yourself

Maybe a 6 wheel landcruiser with a lazy axle and a turntable on the tray? would that be legal. i think you will need a turntable to take the weight

hokey wrote:Maybe a 6 wheel landcruiser with a lazy axle and a turntable on the tray? would that be legal. i think you will need a turntable to take the weight

Why?? A 50mm ball is rated to 3500kg. GU Towbars are rated to 3500kg.