Outer Limits 4x4 Board

No but the Rover V8 is worth about $1000 fitted to a Hilux where as the Lexus is worth around $6000 fitted to the same vehicle. For the gain in Hp it isnt worth it in my mind and who wants big Hp when you are trying to drive around at around 1500rpm on rocks.Hp is all good when you want to blast up a hill but it is torque down low you want for rock crawling and the Rover V8 coupled with dual cases will do just fine.

I'll take that as a no.
The lexus motor's can be baught for $1600 in a front cut computer and everything that has to be tempting.Injection will always be better than carbies on the big angles.

overkill wrote:I'll take that as a no.
The lexus motor's can be baught for $1600 in a front cut computer and everything that has to be tempting.Injection will always be better than carbies on the big angles.

yeah i priced one about 3-4 months ago and it was $1500, my old man does work for the import place and QLD price is around $2000 for the cut. Although you can get he engine for about $800 bucks they are often missing all the vital and $$$$$ parts.

I would agree that the injection will do better but there is no reason that a properly setup carbie and gas wont do aswell.

I think another fact that needs to be considered is the up keep on the engines and the cost of parts, not to mention the availability. I think the rover would be alot better in this department, on the other hand i think that the toyota motor runs Z9 filters that everwhere (bar autobarn) seem to stock and they are cheap.

NICK

That is a lot cheaper than they are going for up here. I priced a 2jz non turbo the other week for $2000 in a saurer front cut with an auto that is useless for a 4wd and they still wanted another $1600 for a manual box to suit. Would have expected at least $3-$4000 for a V8.

No No NO NO !
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Use the commodore V8 Gen 3 engine for some real horse power.

Pal wrote:No No NO NO !
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Use the commodore V8 Gen 3 engine for some real horse power.

You would if you like spun bearings and out of round bores

Toyota motors are reliable as. You can get adapters to run hilux gearboxs.
My Mother in law has a V8 Soarer and in four years all I have had to do is a set of plug leads and an alternator.The bottom ends are bullet proof.
Also It may have already been discussed but wouldn't they be lighter aswell.

I agrea they may be reliable but how do you fix a dead TPS,AFM or computer in the middle of the bush? I know myself with the factory EFI on my 22R the TPS has failed but luckily i had a spare but if i had the choice bettween the lexus and the rover for a rig that you usually drive hours from a toyota dealer that the simple carb set up just has to be better. Sams hybrid runs on its side as good as it does on flat ground and that is with a pair of CD strombergs on it.

Fair enough I see your point.

For a street car i wouldnt even give the rover a second look over the lexus though

The Soarer auto is most likely an A340 so it can be used ( see the "how bout thread" ) The A340 is used in the lux/supra/lexus/soarer. The lux in the other thread has got the soarer auto which all but bolted straight upto the factory transfer case ( the chain type transfer )

If you use a Lexus V8 the same applies, the A340 will bolt straight up, plus if you can use the factory computer then the auto will change gears properly as well. I help fit a 5M into a 1990 surf with an A340 but we couldn't get the computer for the auto going so just made up some switchs on the dash to change gear... been like that for 12 months and the dude loves it

how did it all but "bolt up" to the chain drive transfer case?

COME AWWNN i find it hard to beleive!

all the points are good but im thinking $$$ and weight the rover is marginally lighter than the toyota!!

The A340 is a 4wd auto standard !!
The 2JZ @ $2000 included auto, computer, looms, radiator.. basically everything you need (except transfer case, but you could sell the ol G52/W56 box and transfer for enuf to buy the transfer bits you need )

The 2JZ makes 220hp as is and you can buy bolt on junk to get different power ups up to 1200hp !!!!!. The motor is verrrryyyy smmmoooottthh. In standard form I bet its a sh#t load more economical than the rover. Whats the power of a rover 3.5 ?? 160hp ???. If you want the torque of the rover then gear the 2JZ to suit.

Things like the exhaust are easy compared to the V8 which will set you back xtra $$$

Add up the cost of an old rover which prob needs reconditioning, adapter, exhaust, radiator blah blah....

Pal wrote:No No NO NO !
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Use the commodore V8 Gen 3 engine for some real horse power.

"Houston we have a problem..." hopefully gen4 will be right:) and i say that as a bowtie fan...

yankie V8 cubes win every time real engines 8) 8) 8) :wink:

There's some good points in there floating around.

However for Rockcrawling all i want is a light weight engine with a fair bit of power.

You dont really need massive amounts of horse power just enough to keep up the momentum.

Also reliability is a big issue with me i want something that wont stuff up in the middle of a comp.

I know the lexus engine would be relaible but all the electricals would be the concern.

The rover engine seems to be very common, and if something stuffed up i'm sure there would be a rangie gurru around somewhere.

Also there is always a good chance there is a Rangie parked close buy you could borrow parts to continue. And Most Rangie drivers would lend you what you need.
I doubt you are going to find a lexus or a saurer or even if you are lucky enough there is a Lexus 100series there the guy aint going to lend you jack from his big $$$ rig.

Yeah i was going to save that one, but thats right the amount of rangies that would be up at a comp or just out cruising would be a great deal more than a lexus.

The thing is too, they probarbly wouldn't need to strip parts off thier cars as most rangie drivers i've seen are always really well prepared and carry all the right spares.

Sounds like you've made up your mind

Start looking for that special one to call your own

Found it, just have to work out how to get it here.

POS wrote:Yeah i was going to save that one, but thats right the amount of rangies that would be up at a comp or just out cruising would be a great deal more than a lexus.

The thing is too, they probarbly wouldn't need to strip parts off thier cars as most rangie drivers i've seen are always really well prepared and carry all the right spares.

they carry heaps of spares cause the cars are POS and always break down....

but at least they should be able to help you fix it

and if ruff and boatlux get rovers, then there will be heaps of spares (when they arent looking) (or we could all lend each other stuff if necessary)

Anyone know how to tell the difference bettween a 3.5 and a 4.4 by just looking at them out of the vehicle?

Simple if it has a manifold. 4.4 has a stanard looking V8 manifld

Jamie i beleive a lot of rover passenger cars also have a normal looking manifold on the 3.5s as well. I need to know asap as i think i may have found a 4.4 and conversion real cheap.

Q: Lightest V8?

A: 9.75 lbs

http://www.conleyprecision.com/sohc.htm

easy way to tella 4.4 is there is no outer row of head bolds to the block .. unless someone has drilled and taped them and put rover head on it . There should only be one row of head bolts visiable on a 4.4 ..

top one tcar ,mmm 13,500 rpm ,would be the go to power the esky for the esky comp at bathusrt.

another one.
120 kw 17000-19000 rpm

http://home.mira.net/~iwd/750specs.html

Michael.

HSV Rangie wrote:another one.
120 kw 17000-19000 rpm

http://home.mira.net/~iwd/750specs.html

Michael.

My mate raced that at the first comeback race for the oran park 6 hour. The first and only appearance on the racetrack and it didnt even make it to the race! It was such a piece of crap! It run like a busted a$$ and handled shit.
My mate hopped on it in practice and blew the thing to pieces!

good reason why nothing much has happened about it since.
Michael.