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Posted: **Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:12 pm**

The only auto's that you can push start are one with a rear pump (one that runs off output shaft) Trimatics have front pump not rear pump you need to turn the pump to get oil pressure to apply forward clutch to start vehicle pretty simple...

Posted: **Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:43 pm**

Hmm - I have heard the info that trimatics can be tow started from a number of sources. I'm in no position to prove either way, I was going in the information I had. Likewise with the Gwagen , but I have spoken to people who have successfully tow started their Gwagens.

Rocky8- before you argue your point any more, unless you have driven a well geared, well setup auto off road, your preference is only that. I have no idea why you "need" a 5 speed manual, I can as easily say you "need" an auto... If you have driven a good one, you'll recognise you don't "need" an auto, you just really, really want one.

I sometimes think the perception that autos are easier to drive means guys think you're not a real man if you don't drive a manual. It's OK, people said that about power steering and coil springs too. The fact is, auto's aren't any easier to drive, but for the same effort, auto's deliver a better result and add to the car's capability.

Steve.

Posted: **Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:44 pm**

Rocky8 what makes an auto superior to a manual IMHO has nothing to do with the automatic shifting of gears. I have a fully manual - auto, it doesn't change by itself but thats only a minor detail.

Its about the torque control / multiplication provided by the converter, the ability to creep up to an obstacle, apply power and inch the wheels up or if required back off and have them come down again.

Its about instant gear changes in response to changing conditions - no loss of vehicle speed or crash changes.

Its about smooth hill starts -no three pedal shuffle and burning clutch, no cursing the handbrake that doesn't hold.

The thing that distinguishes the men from the boys ( or girls in you terms ) is who drives the hills / obstacles - and your more likely to do it in a well setup auto.

Posted: **Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:47 pm**

Oh - and not drowning the clutch in bog holes rivers etc isn't bad either....

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:29 am**

why would u want to spend all that money setting up an auto to do what a manual trans does?...

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:39 am**

Rocky8 wrote:why would u want to spend all that money setting up an auto to do what a manual trans does?...

Do you read others replies ?

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:30 am**

Rocky8 wrote:U cant compare a comp truck to your standard fourby....in comp trucks u are too busy with your hands to have a manual...but for a standard fourby u need a 5 speed manual...

Yes you can. Cruise Control is absolutely magic when you have an Auto. Not only that, i have driven my Automatic Prado offroad with an identical model with identical mods with me (except it was manual) and the ability of the Auto really showed itself i the way everything is taken. That's not even in the really hard stuff, but towards the end of the Prados ability.

Rocky8 wrote:i'd rather select my gears so im in exactly the right gear i need...rather than let the auto jump in and out of the gear i want...

I can lock my Prado in 1st or 2nd, and can prevent it going into overdrive (4th) when needed. There are plenty of other vehicles about you can do similiar with, with a standard gearbox. Which gives plenty of gear selection options in a "standard fourby" There is more to driving an automatic offroad then just sticking it in Drive.

As soon as i have other things sorted, my Sierra will be getting an Auto under it also, for all the reasons everyone has already mentioned in this thread. Go take an Auto offroad and drive it properly and your opinion will change.

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:09 am**

at least when he chooses the wrong gear in a manual, he cant blame the vehicle

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:08 pm**

rockys must have awesome manuals

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:27 pm**

He is making this thread funny

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:47 pm**

MightyMouse wrote:
Rocky8 wrote:why would u want to spend all that money setting up an auto to do what a manual trans does?...
Do you read others replies ?

See Mightymouse, you should have bought a rocky - they come with torque converter manuals -

Steve.

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:49 pm**

Gwagensteve wrote:
MightyMouse wrote:
Rocky8 wrote:why would u want to spend all that money setting up an auto to do what a manual trans does?...
Do you read others replies ?
See Mightymouse, you should have bought a rocky - they come with torque converter manuals -

Steve.

I do wonder whether he has ever driven an auto off road, by the sounds of it no-one would let him drive theirs

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:33 pm**

Rocky8 wrote:but for a standard fourby u need a 5 speed manual...

f uck I've heard everything now

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:26 pm**

bogged wrote:
Rocky8 wrote:but for a standard fourby u need a 5 speed manual...
f uck I've heard everything now

I beg to differ.....I think he can

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:57 pm**

cj wrote:I beg to differ.....I think he can

Hows your zook going now?

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:46 pm**

Gwagensteve wrote:See Mightymouse, you should have bought a rocky - they come with torque converter manuals -

Steve.

Its all a bit strange to me, the more engineering mistakes I make, the better the Feroza seems to go..... I'm going to have to reconsider the front locker now - wouldn't want to further reduce its capability.

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:18 am**

a 5 speed manual diesel in low range....theres nothing better boys....

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:14 pm**

Rocky8 wrote:a 5 speed manual diesel in low range....theres nothing better boys....

....for going down hill slowly.

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:15 pm**

4WD Stuff wrote:
Rocky8 wrote:a 5 speed manual diesel in low range....theres nothing better boys....
....for going down hill slowly.

Auto for everything else.

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:08 pm**

Rocky8 wrote:a 5 speed manual diesel in low range....theres nothing better boys....

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:13 pm**

Even scary downhills. Not many stock fourbies are geared low enough that you don't have to use your brakes to stop 'em running away on steep downhills.

Properly driven, an auto will simply carp on a manual in the rough. End of story. If you doubt it, then go for a wheel with a similar vehicle and a capable driver and be prepared to eat your words.

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:08 pm**

Rocky8 wrote:a 5 speed manual diesel in low range....theres nothing better boys....

Yep, keep bringing the tech dude

So, from what experience do you hold this opinion? How many autos have you driven off road? What's the setup on the "ultimate" diesel manual you are advocating thats better than (any?) auto?

Yes, a manual diesel drives nicely. An auto diesel? miles better. Of course, I've owned both so I clearly don't know what I'm talking about.

Steve.

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:25 pm**

He's getting close to the credibility of the "second layer of gravity" theory.

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:29 pm**

Gravity laughs at 5 speed manuals.

Steve.

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:39 pm**

Gwagensteve wrote:Gravity laughs at 5 speed manuals.

Steve.

Pfft as the owner of a 5 speed manual TURBO diesal (running 31 AT's mind you) .. I dont even know nor care what gravity is ..

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:47 pm**

bogged wrote:
cj wrote:I beg to differ.....I think he can
Hows your zook going now?

We're starting on Vit 4.0 and Sierra 1.0 at the moment 'cause I'm a sucker for punishment

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:10 pm**

Has ANYONE... noticed everyone that to run an auto everyone says "with some work an auto is better than a manual"....

An auto STOCK will run away down a hill
A Manual Won't

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:39 pm**

love_mud wrote:
Gwagensteve wrote:Gravity laughs at 5 speed manuals.

Steve.
Pfft as the owner of a 5 speed manual TURBO diesal (running 31 AT's mind you) .. I dont even know nor care what gravity is ..

i just LOVE the relevance! hehe

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:58 pm**

steven101 wrote:Has ANYONE... noticed everyone that to run an auto everyone says "with some work an auto is better than a manual"....

Yes that's sometimes true steven101, but not always and so what ? As I see it the threads about potential - and its great that with an auto you can make them even better. A manual is just a manual.

steven101 wrote: An auto STOCK will run away down a hill
A Manual Won't

And manuals do run away down hill - I spent lots of time with both feet on the brake pedal trying to slowly descend - not a lot of fun.

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:21 pm**

steven101 wrote:Has ANYONE... noticed everyone that to run an auto everyone says "with some work an auto is better than a manual"....

An auto STOCK will run away down a hill
A Manual Won't

As soon as there is something steep a manual is just as useless as an auto except with an auto you only need one foot on the brake where a manaul you need a foot on the clutch also.

Only bad thing about the auto is the repair bill if you stuff it but it is worth it.

Shane

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