dumbdunce wrote:V8Patrol wrote:You do all the work .......... they get the money
sounds like a cry-baby, whinyassed opinion to me dude
if, as you imply, engineers are so lazy and stupid, how about you put aside a few years, go to uni, get yourself an engineering degree - should be easy since you can beat them in an online mechanical aptitude test - become an engineer, show them all how much better you can do it, then sit back and get all the money while someone else does all the work for you.
just a suggestion. you could show the UAC your score on this test to add weight to your application.
On a daily basis I'm in touch with engineers regarding THEIR drawings, usually in relation to POOR quailty drawings that are either incomplete or simply DONT have the required information on them.
The result ( 9/10 ) is that we submit a shop drawing, using the exact same program that they use, that they then check and sign off on.
Can anyone explain to me why a customer should fork out in most cases in our line of work cost $4000 + for a set of plans that are incomplete, then once you've explained that then tell me why we fabricators must supply shop drawings to the engineers for approval on a connection design that we have had to draft up..... they get their money for nothing.
On a shed we did a few months back the customer paid out $6000 for his plans ONLY...... for a large shed with an overhead gantry.....
The stupid engineer didnt put on HIS plans a single hold down bolt connection size...... yep a wonderfull drawing but without the most critical size of the damn hold down bolt anywhere !!
Last week we quoted on another shed.... again the drawings were from the same engineer........
THE EXACT SAME DRAWING with a different name in the customers box
that cost the customer ....... $6000
for a fugging copy !
AND STILL WITHOUT THE HOLD DOWN BOLT SIZE
We do around a hundred sheds a year...... I see the same plans comming from the same places about 25% of the time, the only differance is the customers name on those plans.
In all honesty I cant recall the last set of plans we received that were 100% complete and didnt require a phonecall to get a verification on.
They get paid to do a job that they dont do .
Perhaps as the builders we should follow to the letter every detail on the supplied plans .... then when it falls down we can simply pass the buck.
Imagine that...... a large shed with an overhead gantry, finished off to the letter of the plans......
And not a single bolt holding it in place !
Thank God auotmotive engineers remember to add the brakes on vehicles !
Someones gotta think up the idea
Someones gotta design it so it works
someones gotta build it
Time that the middle man was deleted.
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