Baleno Motor (With build up pics)

[PJ.zook]

Steve none of the links listed in previous posts work anymore unfortunately.

[Gwagensteve]

Worked at 1130 PM last Sunday night... don't ask me how I know, but involved smoke coming out of an ECU.

Can't recall the site we linked off of, and the last file wouldn't expand, so we copied it without expanding and changed the extension manually to a .RAR and it worked fine.

Steve.

[BlueSuzy]

ah yeah can be simple, for sum i have the main wires detatched from the whole freakin loom, what a mess. i have to re wire the relays power and fuel pump wiring, found the gauge wires, but i do have some diagnostic wires as such as i have asked in an earlier reply. can u help Steve? i just wanna get suzy goin, starting to be a neverending project. This forum has helped me heaps, very grateful, wouldent of started the job without all this info i have found on this site...

[BlueSuzy]

Finally got some wiring done so the motor can try and start at least.fuel pump relays gauge stuff etc. then guess what? The started motor just snaps the main little shaft that the gear sits on.grrrr gonna find another 1 tomorrow, or 2

[BlueSuzy]

Fixed starter motor, it was the ratchet like gear shaft that snapped, had to get one out of a 95 mitsu lancer (my starter is mitsu brand) as all the swift ones are denso brand! Weird i thought. Replaced the starter motor, then wirrr wirrr wirrr kick pop wirr VARRROOOOM!!!! And a WOO HOO! Now have to tidy wiring abit, so its driveable and i have got the baleno accelerator cable, just gonna mod the pedal alittle so it takes the different cable end. Im so excited

[Gwagensteve]

Bluesuzy, I think al you need to know re the diagnostic wires is acutally on the page I posted.

Violet with yellow is the diagnostic link, ground it to view trouble codes.

yellow with black is OBD-II information and not required unless you have a generic OBD-II code reader.

Plain violet is the check engine light and needs a ig+ve supply to one side if the light, the light is pulled to ground by the computer to turn it on.

don't confuse this violet with the VSS signal though. to be sure you can take the cover off the computer, the pin marked DNL is the check engine light, and SPD is the VSS.

Violet with white and Brown with white are not relevant for us, they also run to the diagnostic plug but they're only usable with the dealer computer reader.

Steve.

[BlueSuzy]

ok, yeah i have a pinout for a baleno as well, thats how i did most of the wiring.
* The check engine light in the cluster, is there wires coming out so i can adapt the baleno wires to it? i have never seen it light up?
* Also the vss, do i need to connect it somewhere? She idles fine at the moment...

Its unbelieveable how happy i am! It was starting to get like a bad dream!
Thankyou so much!!!

[PJ.zook]

Good work Bluesuzy, hope its finished completely soon!

[Gwagensteve]

No wires come into or out of the chec engine light, you'll need to scrape the track on the circuit strip on the back of the cluster and link an ig+ wire to one side of the light, and a flying lead to the other side running off to the computer.

To run the VSS, get the whole speedo unit from a vitara, it will bolt in to the sierra cluster and the VSS will screw to the two blank holes in the back of the cluster. Run ring terminals off these screws, one to ground, the other to the computer.

The hard bit is soldering to the plastic circuit strip on the back of the cluster, it can be done though, you just need to be quick and confident.

Congrats on getting it running it's always a great feeling.

Steve.

[BlueSuzy]

Suzy runs, straight extractors atm. very loud. Took her for a test drive and found out she likes to go farkin hard! Suzy has a new life ahead of her, im amazed of the difference! Shes a completely new car

I have most of the wiring extended into the passengers footwell so i can fix it up very soon, also full exhaust tomorrow, and fixing the tailights still, but thats another story. Thanks to all who have helped!

[PJ.zook]

Where did you put the oxy sensor, does it matter if its further down the pipe than standard?

[Gwagensteve]

baleno motors have round ports so they have to use extractors from a Jimny or EFI vitara, both of which have the O2 sensor bung already in them.

Steve.

[PJ.zook]

Was thinking more along the lines of making them myself.

[BlueSuzy]

My o2 sensor is in a joiner/collector, My extractors go 4-2-1 So starting from the front of the block. Look at it so if 1 is at front, 4 is at back, 2&3 have the sensor in the collector if u get my drift, unsure of other motors

[11_evl]

will any of this wiring info apply to the disy type baleno from a 95 model???

[BlueSuzy]

It would probably be similar to the older baleno motors, but i have found a diagram for the older baleno motors sumwhere on here. http://www.clubaleno.co.uk/

I have searched for info on the VSS wire, i need to run it but why? Does it affect the computer? The sierra speedo is ok? My motor was out of a manual car.

[Gwagensteve]

VSS has an effect on fuelling - if the car is moving, the fuelling will be different than if it's sitting idling. Also, it's used to control EGR.

More importantly, if it's not there, you'll generally get a check engine light after the engine has been on load for a while.

Steve.

[BlueSuzy]

ok, i need to search about the vss, the sierra has a vss? Was it much work to fit the baleno speedo and tacho? looks very technical! saw it in another thread.

[Gwagensteve]

No sierra has a VSS ( actually, JDM 660 sierras have a VSS but it's not relevant here)

you need the VSS from any Suzuki which has a VSS in the dash, so that's EFI vitara, and most older swifts. use my guide in the post above for how to identify the VSS in a cluster.

An efi vit is the easiest to get one from, because some swifts with the VSS only have a 5 digit odometer and no trip meter so you have to split the VSS off the back of the swift speedo and fit it to the sierra one. (which is fiddly)

If you find a swift speedo with a 6 digit odometer and a trip meter it will be all good- as easy as a Vit one.

fitting the Baleno tach was a PITA but it's now working well. I'd investigate hooking up a diode bridge to the coil pack signal wires and use the stock sierra speedo. We had the Baleno tach and I'm a glutton for punishment so I fitted the Baleno one.

Steve.

[BlueSuzy]

ok, i mite look into finding a vitara cluster, they r gonna b bit $$$.

[Gwagensteve]

Swift should be easier to find and therefore cheaper.

Steve.

[Gutless]

ok, i mite look into finding a vitara cluster, they r gonna b bit $$$.

I've got a few of these. Pitty you aren't in Brisbane

[BlueSuzy]

Melbourne and Brisbane seems to be the place to be! Thats where im gettin the help from Ok mite look 4 a swifty 1

[PJ.zook]

Could you please explain the VSS a little more, is it a pulse signal from the crank sensor, from a sensor in gearbox, off alternator, etc?

[Gwagensteve]

It's a 4 pulse per turn square wave generated from a reed switch/hall effect transducer in either the gearbox on late models with an electronic speedo, or the back of the speedo in the dash for models with a cable speedo.

I don't remember the voltage now, but there's a procedure for checking function in any FSM for a car with one, that's how I confirmed the signal is always the same.

Steve.

[PJ.zook]

Well i just ripped engine out of baleno, not the most difficult of jobs i must say, didnt take long at all.







I also completely stripped dash and removed all the wiring. Will someone tell me how the hell im gonna turn that into a useable harness heh, looks like a helluva job. Is the easiest way to use the wiring diagram, and go from each plug on computer, and just simply snip off all the wires and plugs you dont need? Should i cut open all of the looms and trace the wires, etc?

[PJ.zook]

It's a 4 pulse per turn square wave generated from a reed switch/hall effect transducer in either the gearbox on late models with an electronic speedo, or the back of the speedo in the dash for models with a cable speedo.

I don't remember the voltage now, but there's a procedure for checking function in any FSM for a car with one, that's how I confirmed the signal is always the same.

Steve.

So youre saying i need to feed teh computer with a VSS signal, and that you recommend using the dash from a vitara as it has a cable driven speedo which is driven from sierra transfer, and the vitara speedo converts that mechanical spinning into a VSS signal, which is fed to computer yes?
So i cant really use the baleno dash as it would have used a signal from the gearbox which i cant use due to the fact its front wheel drive?

[nicbeer]

yes easiet way is to label when u take it off then lay it out and work out what u dont need (lights,wipers etc) then go snipping tracing the wires back to ecu or fuse block

[Gwagensteve]

So youre saying i need to feed teh computer with a VSS signal, and that you recommend using the dash from a vitara as it has a cable driven speedo which is driven from sierra transfer, and the vitara speedo converts that mechanical spinning into a VSS signal, which is fed to computer yes?
So i cant really use the baleno dash as it would have used a signal from the gearbox which i cant use due to the fact its front wheel drive?

You got it.

Steve.

[Gwagensteve]

PJ - in relation to the wiring, there's three plugs on the computer, two run directly to the engine loom, there's no need to split/open/cut the enigne loom at all. There's also a large blue line plug which pretty much contains most of the wires that need to go to your power sources etc.

There's actually very little cutting and joining. you'll need to pull the fuel pump and main power relays out of the main fuse/distribution block. If you don't want to run thermos or AC you won't need anything else from there.

I can't mess around here at work but over the W/E I'll post a photo of what you're left with to hook up once you get the engine loom split out of the body loom.

I reckon the hardest bit is fittting the crank angle sensor into the sierra sump and the water pipe. The rest is just time consuming but not really hard.

Steve.