Outer Limits 4x4 Board

RN wrote:Not sure if this has ever been asked but is the 3 litre capable of being made tougher than standard. I mean, if the motors are repaired are the replacement components just off the shelf and in the end just pushing the inevitable destruction time further down the road?

Has any work shop / reco engine company come up with say , a better set of pistons, a modified fix for oil feed, or is just such a bad design that it is incapable of being improved?

I reckon that a business/person could make a fortune if such a kit existed.

It is not the motor that is the problem. It is the electronics (or lack of) that control and monitor it that is the problem.
Smarter people like myself fit EGT & boost gauges to monitor problems and don't have issues.

FYI - BINGHAM'S PROBLEM IS NOT THE NORMAL ZD30 FAILURE. Nearly all the piston failures are with #3 & 4.

Skegbudley wrote:It is not the motor that is the problem. It is the electronics (or lack of) that control and monitor it that is the problem.
Smarter people like myself fit EGT & boost gauges to monitor problems and don't have issues.

FYI - BINGHAM'S PROBLEM IS NOT THE NORMAL ZD30 FAILURE. Nearly all the piston failures are with #3 & 4.

I hate to go on hearsay, but this matches what I've picked up. The ZD30 is a fairly lively and driveable motor that allows you to have an enjoyable driving experience, but the way it is governed means that reasonably typical driving can take it outside its sustainable limits.

In other words with most motors we can tell when we are thrashing the shit out of them and risking their survival, but with a ZD30 you can be thrashing the shit out of it and not even realise.

Just what I've picked up from reading, it would be interesting to hear from others who've repaired them.

chimpboy wrote:

Skegbudley wrote:It is not the motor that is the problem. It is the electronics (or lack of) that control and monitor it that is the problem.
Smarter people like myself fit EGT & boost gauges to monitor problems and don't have issues.

FYI - BINGHAM'S PROBLEM IS NOT THE NORMAL ZD30 FAILURE. Nearly all the piston failures are with #3 & 4.

I hate to go on hearsay, but this matches what I've picked up. The ZD30 is a fairly lively and driveable motor that allows you to have an enjoyable driving experience, but the way it is governed means that reasonably typical driving can take it outside its sustainable limits.

In other words with most motors we can tell when we are thrashing the shit out of them and risking their survival, but with a ZD30 you can be thrashing the shit out of it and not even realise.

Just what I've picked up from reading, it would be interesting to hear from others who've repaired them.

Interesting. That is indeed strange in this day and age where most manufacturers install knock sensors, temp sensors etc to maintain some back ground checks.

Just wondering if these causation symptoms within the 'trade' have been known for some time now or a fairly recent revelation?

If so as I incorrectly assumed that it was an engineering design fault I wonder if the 'fix' for these engines as quoted by Skeg by the fitment of an EGT & boost gauges to monitor problems is also known in the trade.

nissan dealer called with head office now wanting details on the company i work for eg how many vehicles and what brands and had i had nissans previous and role i do. So gave them the spiel just found out nissan has finally given them the ok to fully pull the motor down at their expense. Motor is out im told now they have to get the faulty internals out and photos sent to nissan tech line or whatever they call themselves. Then they will appraise and go from there. Vehicle has never run hot in its life.

They said we have a perfect service history the only fault being a few thousand extra kms and they are hoping they can help out/ or nissan australia can anyways.

Currently drafting a letter to Nissan Australia suggesting anything less than 100 % being covered will not be good enough. May post in due course. Hoping by lunch tomoz they will have photos of failed components onto nissan and a response from there. They have suggested they can potentially find me a loan car from tomoz as told them hire car to be returned. The staff up there are being helpful which is great. Now need the nissan big wigs to bring it home.

the saga continues..............................

well least ur getting somewhere, they just totally rejected me and said they had no idea about any dramas with the motor and had never heard of one detonating before hand soo i just didnt bother pursueing it. i wish i could afford to sue the mutha duckers, cause its cost me a shite load

A mate had his late model 3 litre blow and it has since been been repaired. In his quest to get answers as to why it blew he has been advised:

The cheap EGR valve often breaks down causing the engine management to keep dumping fuel and for the turbo to stay on boost. He was advised to blank it off.

He had been advised that the Catalytic converter should be disconnected.

He had been advised to change his driving habits and instead of keeping the vehicle in a high gear when driving up hills, to change down more often. The reason given is that the 3 litre diesel in high gear creates more heat.

Overall he was advised not to nanny the motor, work it but not labour it.

His pyro meter temps are now good when in a lower gear whilst traversing a hill ( normal highway driving) and if in a higher gear the temp readings tend to be higher.

Possibly the advice may vary but this is overall summary of all the people he has asked on the subject. Some advise is not legal under the EPA.

if you guys wanto sue nissan, i have access to the right lawyers for the job
they are experts in insurance claims., and litigation against certain car companies.
JEs

jessie928 wrote:if you guys wanto sue nissan, i have access to the right lawyers for the job
they are experts in insurance claims., and litigation against certain car companies.
JEs

i dont hink we shall get that excited just yet, possibly ask again by this afternoon if i dont get the correct response

Sitting by the phone waiting waiting

by the sounds there nearly needs to be a textbook on mods and driving techniques just to get one past 100 000kms.

Prado or cruiser might be next................ certainly not the way iwish to go but given no choice then may have no choice...

... bloke took nissan to vcat recently on patrol forum and WON... an undisclosed amount.....

another call, they taking extra time to pull down due to some corrosion from batttery acid i am told... another hr now and they hoping its the piston has cracked etc etc so its a deffinately in nissan australias eys a product fault. Then talk of all parts or so.....

Told them i am returning hire car today so they must provide me with wheels. See how we go.

Certainly wasting allot of work hrs on this shite in any case but hoping all works out for best.

by the way bing, since we are the same person, am I well hung, and am I a good root?

bogged wrote:by the way bing, since we are the same person, am I well hung, and am I a good root?

Like a rougue(sp) plough horse you've either got it or you've got it and we have it And in the spirit of the spring carnival...you/i/ we ride like a throughbred horse being also a good option for future travels as have not heard of them blowing up mid trip

The old patrol forum hey . funny lads...where posts are checked first before being allowed prison camp forum! so truckster can cut and paste from now as im over it

and still waiting on calls would it kill them to work over lunch.... fark

#####Guys i need urgent help, made some more progress with some chip coming our way but am debating how much................................

Nissan australia has simply said mine is the first 06 in Australia to do it.

Ps was number 2 & 4 had cracks now... Will have photos my way soon but wont post till resolved.

I need to compile a list of confirmed 05 or newer patrols that have had issues. These were from the list... These confirmed as patrols and def had the issues?/???

Snowy 3.0itd (parents car)------------105K----2005

Blue one---------------------------------------------2005
deanchristensen0001---------------31K 2005
MalcolmC--------------------------------112K---2005

Anyone know where these boys from or contact details?

Others

any help greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Mark Bingham

[quote="Bingham
Nissan australia has simply said mine is the first 06 in Australia to do it.

[/quote]

Bet that makes you feel so proud.

9 years and it is still occuring. Hell, when will this nightmare cease?

It is almost TDT or CA time ( shudder)

RN wrote:[quote="Bingham
Nissan australia has simply said mine is the first 06 in Australia to do it.

Bet that makes you feel so proud.

9 years and it is still occuring. Hell, when will this nightmare cease?

It is almost TDT or CA time ( shudder)[/quote]

Both forums have gone a bit silent on these cases... Need one 100% one to rip it into them.............. I will be proud when i get it fixed for free then sell at 160000 and its ome other bastads problem

might be worth calling darren hinch bring him back to sort

Bingham wrote:Both forums have gone a bit silent on these cases... Need one 100% one to rip it into them.............. I will be proud when i get it fixed for free then sell at 160000 and its ome other bastads problem

might be worth calling darren hinch bring him back to sort

You may find the users are on Exploroz. search for the usernames.

""blue one replied:
Surprising everyone is so touchy on the subject as it has been well documented on this forum as well as others. Mine went bang in a big way, 05 model and a close friend has just lost his 08 3 ltr. Same old issue with high temps, oil etc. Buy one and try it out as Nissan may have come up with the secret solution to small motor pushing around 3 tonne. With regard to the reliability issues you would be game to take one off the beaten track on your own.

blue one replied:
05 3 ltr + 123k = kaboom

Cheers

Steve"

Found this so far....................

potentially mine now being the first for the 06 documented that i can see while such years and newer may get fixed under warranty and swept under the rug. out of warranty and they not counting repairs under warranty.............

shall keep digging

Maybe see if you can get more info on the 2008 one??

coxy321 wrote:Maybe see if you can get more info on the 2008 one??

true,

If anyone can track down this blue one i'll owe you a beer or 2.................

Why did Nissan in all their wisdom discontinue the TD42???

Surely a couple of extra mpg of fuel being burned off into the atmosphere is more environmentally friendly than an engine full of oil & coolant being dumped all over the road every one of thes 3 liter disasters grenades itself, plus the resources required to manufacture a whole new engine every 100,000 km?

MarkR wrote:Why did Nissan in all their wisdom discontinue the TD42???

Surely a couple of extra mpg of fuel being burned off into the atmosphere is more environmentally friendly than an engine full of oil & coolant being dumped all over the road every one of thes 3 liter disasters grenades itself, plus the resources required to manufacture a whole new engine every 100,000 km?

tow trucks mecahnic shops and all are continuing to pollute also. But it keeps the economy moving.

Bingham wrote:

coxy321 wrote:Maybe see if you can get more info on the 2008 one??

true,

If anyone can track down this blue one i'll owe you a beer or 2.................

where was it?

bogged wrote:

Bingham wrote:

coxy321 wrote:Maybe see if you can get more info on the 2008 one??

true,

If anyone can track down this blue one i'll owe you a beer or 2.................

where was it?

The guy blue one commented on explore oz that his mates 08 had just let go. Was in ozexplore archives somewhere.

I have just ammended my letter to nissan getting a little more firey to have in pocket incase it is required mid morning today...

Suggested truck must be going next wknd end of story... Again nissan warranty lass is being very helpful just need nissan to play ball...

Bingham wrote:

bogged wrote:

Bingham wrote:

coxy321 wrote:Maybe see if you can get more info on the 2008 one??

true,

If anyone can track down this blue one i'll owe you a beer or 2.................

where was it?

The guy blue one commented on explore oz that his mates 08 had just let go. Was in ozexplore archives somewhere.

I have just ammended my letter to nissan getting a little more firey to have in pocket incase it is required mid morning today...

Suggested truck must be going next wknd end of story... Again nissan warranty lass is being very helpful just need nissan to play ball...

find me a post #, mate is a member there, might be able to send the otehr bloke a members message to find info.

could not find the post again............

Just back from Nissan,

Again dealer been very useful which is a refreshing experience.

They have come to the party on all parts but no labour or turbo checkover/if there is any turbo issues. They were potentially going to charge me for the pull down and i said no maam after nissan gave the ok to do it not me i am not paying. So labour- the 3-4 hrs pull downs they have quote at say $1650 and waiting on turbo checkover price so say 350 for round figures.

So potentially $2k and we are on the road again. Which down from 12-14k that they quoted originally is pretty good.

But am bout to email my letter to head office to get it to $0.00 K........

told boss and he happy he has a pittbull in his corner

Getting there folks again extend warranty folks as majority of this i believe is coming from "good will" after some big talking. Average jo blow of the street migh not be so lucky. Even the boss has said any more and he will get warranty extended.

They kept suggesting should have extended warranty.... I said we prob would have had your staff not lied suggesting problems with pistons cracking and motors going boom had been fixed

MarkR wrote:Why did Nissan in all their wisdom discontinue the TD42???

Australian Government and a large number of other governments in the world cancelled it. It wasn't all Nissan. Nissan just couldn't get it to meet current emissions stds. Rumour was it only go an inter-cooler and the electronic crap on the injector pump so as they could get a little more life out of it.

It probably would have taken a fair bit of engineering to make the TD42 last any longer. As it is, it is now 30yrs old with very little changed.

Bingham wrote:But am bout to email my letter to head office to get it to $0.00 K........

if your going to suggest that you will tell people about it, nissan dont seem to care about everyone in the country knowing the issues.
I think you stand 0 chance of a freeby.

I have just emailed another the piston pics and if they wish to post then by all means as i am not capable enough!

I certainly have mentioned i will give them bad press......

This is one paragrah of 5 in the lettter.

While any help will be appreciated I can safely say that anything less than 100% contribution from Nissan Australia to fix the car then it will simply not be good enough. An ongoing problem that Nissan has clearly not done enough to rectify. We made extended warranty choice’s on the basis that the motor issues were fixed.If we were advised they were still cracking pistons then we may have purchased. I don’t believe with anything less than this that the boss be keen to buy another Nissan for me or any other company staff. Feedback that Nissan will pay for parts while appreciated the decision to not pay for labour or a turbo check I feel is a COP OUT.(Approx $2000 My Price, Nissan’s Possibly $1000-$1500) Why pay for ¾ of an admitted problem and risk leaving a sour taste in our mouths risking future sales and potentially bad press to every farm in QLD & Nt and forums alike. It does not make sense.

Have you got anyone in your office/home that could "smooth over" the letter a bit?