Outer Limits 4x4 Board

bogged wrote:I think most people here are missing the major hurdle here...
that there are more people AGAINST 4wds, minitrucks, Gino Civics etc, than there are FOR them...

hotrod4x4 wrote:zagan i think you need to re-read the regs.
nearly all of what u have written above is incorrect.

Trim height variance is based on the standard vehicle and how much it changes..........nothing to do with how tall they are from original.
Variable airbag setups are illegal also if you READ the document.
Drop axles are also illegal in the new document (stub axles mentioned)

And stating that lowering a car gives better handling isnt always correct.
a car lowered a few inches maybe, another lowered 6inches def not, unless the whole suspension geometry has been changed to suit.

And....nowhere does it state you need 15cm clearance to the ground.
They still base it on 100mm.

As said, i think some people need to actually read before they post.

And as for the fine.....it can be up to $7700 for driving an uninsured vehicle....as thats what they say in the paper if driving an unapproved vehicle.

r0ck_m0nkey wrote:

bogged wrote:I think most people here are missing the major hurdle here...
that there are more people AGAINST 4wds, minitrucks, Gino Civics etc, than there are FOR them...

How are we supposed to fight it when 4WDers don't care and against big modifications.

The admin of Pradopoint said he wasn't concerned with these changes. I pointed out that he should be concerned and so should many other members as it doesn't just effect big trucks. Even his own 40mm lifted Prado and 1" larger then standard tyres would be deemed illegal under these new laws.

I just got banned for pointing this out and being a "clown".

Red Disco wrote:

outback_pootrol wrote:time to do what the bikies did, take all cars down and fully kill every piece of shit that call themselves politics wankers,

or just a riot or mob or something along them line, but yeah hate the polie f(french)uck faces they all need to die

Mate, We all understand your frustration but threats and violence comes from men who've run out of ideas. Do the right thing by the community and delete your threads if you have nothing constructive to say.

Thanks

george

outback_pootrol wrote:

Red Disco wrote:

outback_pootrol wrote:time to do what the bikies did, take all cars down and fully kill every piece of shit that call themselves politics wankers,

or just a riot or mob or something along them line, but yeah hate the polie f(french)uck faces they all need to die

Mate, We all understand your frustration but threats and violence comes from men who've run out of ideas. Do the right thing by the community and delete your threads if you have nothing constructive to say.

Thanks

george

seriously is mr daley going to read everysingle one of these, i think not, really protesting against it is a fair waste o time id say,

but hey not really interested no more

Slunnie wrote:

outback_pootrol wrote:

Red Disco wrote:

outback_pootrol wrote:time to do what the bikies did, take all cars down and fully kill every piece of shit that call themselves politics wankers,

or just a riot or mob or something along them line, but yeah hate the polie f(french)uck faces they all need to die

Mate, We all understand your frustration but threats and violence comes from men who've run out of ideas. Do the right thing by the community and delete your threads if you have nothing constructive to say.

Thanks

george

seriously is mr daley going to read everysingle one of these, i think not, really protesting against it is a fair waste o time id say,

but hey not really interested no more

Lucky not everybody is as apathetic as this. Kudos to those that have some spark left in their life and help make it a better place.

Hulksta wrote:

shortyq wrote: 7k fine for breach of regs!

Wheres the info on this?

hotrod4x4 wrote:a quote from Blacktown local rag:
Cars which are not approved will not be able to pass their rego and motorists could face fines of up to $7700 for driving an uninsured vehicle.

I guess they are stating the worst case scenario of some idiot driving a vehicle now unregistered because its not legal and now uninsured also.

outback_pootrol wrote:

Slunnie wrote:

outback_pootrol wrote:

Red Disco wrote:

outback_pootrol wrote:time to do what the bikies did, take all cars down and fully kill every piece of shit that call themselves politics wankers,

or just a riot or mob or something along them line, but yeah hate the polie f(french)uck faces they all need to die

Mate, We all understand your frustration but threats and violence comes from men who've run out of ideas. Do the right thing by the community and delete your threads if you have nothing constructive to say.

Thanks

george

seriously is mr daley going to read everysingle one of these, i think not, really protesting against it is a fair waste o time id say,

but hey not really interested no more

Lucky not everybody is as apathetic as this. Kudos to those that have some spark left in their life and help make it a better place.

so im young and dumb, congratulations captain obvoius
just got a bit mad after like i said my time somewhat building my rig with a due date after the laws,


one serious question, is this the reason tuff truck is no rego anymore??

National Party wrote: The NSW Labor Government’s recent policy announcement to make it an offence to lower or raise a car’s suspension was clearly made on the run.

The NSW Liberals and Nationals oppose these changes, which have been introduced by the Rees Labor Government without consultation or any parliamentary debate.

The changes will affect many law abiding motorists, including 4WD users, rural motorists and even wheelchair taxis, yet they will do nothing to stop the so-called hoons, who already modify their vehicles outside the existing laws.

The vast majority of 4WD owners are responsible drivers, not 'young hoons', and they don't deserve to be punished.

The solution to 'hoons' is better enforcement of the existing vehicle standards, not a nonsensical bureaucratic decree.

The NSW Liberals and Nationals have called upon the Roads Minister to withdraw the policy forthwith and will continue to pursue this issue on behalf of NSW motorists when Parliament resumes in September.



Regards

******
*****
Office of Ray Williams MP
Member for Hawkesbury

Breaker Brother wrote:Well, this song sums up my current mood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wos-dDxpJlQ

Just got this from the National Party

National Party wrote: The NSW Labor Government’s recent policy announcement to make it an offence to lower or raise a car’s suspension was clearly made on the run.

The NSW Liberals and Nationals oppose these changes, which have been introduced by the Rees Labor Government without consultation or any parliamentary debate.

The changes will affect many law abiding motorists, including 4WD users, rural motorists and even wheelchair taxis, yet they will do nothing to stop the so-called hoons, who already modify their vehicles outside the existing laws.

The vast majority of 4WD owners are responsible drivers, not 'young hoons', and they don't deserve to be punished.

The solution to 'hoons' is better enforcement of the existing vehicle standards, not a nonsensical bureaucratic decree.

The NSW Liberals and Nationals have called upon the Roads Minister to withdraw the policy forthwith and will continue to pursue this issue on behalf of NSW motorists when Parliament resumes in September.



Regards

******
*****
Office of Ray Williams MP
Member for Hawkesbury

While the fight is not over, this VSI hasn't got a snowflakes hope in hell of passing through parliament

Power To the People!!!

Breaker Brother wrote:Well, this song sums up my current mood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wos-dDxpJlQ

Just got this from the National Party

National Party wrote: The NSW Labor Government’s recent policy announcement to make it an offence to lower or raise a car’s suspension was clearly made on the run.

The NSW Liberals and Nationals oppose these changes, which have been introduced by the Rees Labor Government without consultation or any parliamentary debate.

The changes will affect many law abiding motorists, including 4WD users, rural motorists and even wheelchair taxis, yet they will do nothing to stop the so-called hoons, who already modify their vehicles outside the existing laws.

The vast majority of 4WD owners are responsible drivers, not 'young hoons', and they don't deserve to be punished.

The solution to 'hoons' is better enforcement of the existing vehicle standards, not a nonsensical bureaucratic decree.

The NSW Liberals and Nationals have called upon the Roads Minister to withdraw the policy forthwith and will continue to pursue this issue on behalf of NSW motorists when Parliament resumes in September.



Regards

******
*****
Office of Ray Williams MP
Member for Hawkesbury

While the fight is not over, this VSI hasn't got a snowflakes hope in hell of passing through parliament

Power To the People!!!

Breaker Brother wrote:I haven't presented one yet, I had booked an appointment for Monday where I planned to present several hundred letters that have been thus far presented to me in addition to a petition. I got a phone call this morning telling me of the National Parties stance and would I still like to have the appointment, and got the Email as a follow up.

Breaker Brother wrote: While the fight is not over, this VSI hasn't got a snowflakes hope in hell of passing through parliament

KiwiBacon wrote:

Breaker Brother wrote: While the fight is not over, this VSI hasn't got a snowflakes hope in hell of passing through parliament

How much of a majority do labour have?
I freely admit to not keeping up with other countries political situations.

Breaker Brother wrote:

KiwiBacon wrote:

Breaker Brother wrote: While the fight is not over, this VSI hasn't got a snowflakes hope in hell of passing through parliament

How much of a majority do labour have?
I freely admit to not keeping up with other countries political situations.

Not sure of the exact numbers, but I know they only barely have the majority, The shooters party is the balance ATM

shortyq wrote:

hotrod4x4 wrote:a quote from Blacktown local rag:
Cars which are not approved will not be able to pass their rego and motorists could face fines of up to $7700 for driving an uninsured vehicle.

I guess they are stating the worst case scenario of some idiot driving a vehicle now unregistered because its not legal and now uninsured also.

thankyou!cough,cough

RTA wrote: General driving offences

Effective 1 July 2009

Sec 8 (1) Use uninsured motor vehicle $506

Sec 18 (1) Use unregistered vehicle on road/area $506

mike_nofx wrote:Out of curiosity, Where is the height measured to determine how much lift you have?

What i mean is, if an officer were to pull out his tape measure, and check that you arent raised too high, how would/should he go about it??>

Mike

Vehicles intended to be registered for use on roads or road related areas in NSW may be raised to a
maximum height of 50 mm above the original trim height as established by the vehicle's manufacturer
(see Figure 1).
Vehicles raised more than 50 mm above the original trim height as established by the vehicle's
manufacturer (see Figure 1) will only be conditionally registered in NSW and will have restricted access
to roads and road related areas.

v840 wrote:

mike_nofx wrote:Out of curiosity, Where is the height measured to determine how much lift you have?

What i mean is, if an officer were to pull out his tape measure, and check that you arent raised too high, how would/should he go about it??>

Mike

VSI50: http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... y-2009.pdf

Vehicles intended to be registered for use on roads or road related areas in NSW may be raised to a
maximum height of 50 mm above the original trim height as established by the vehicle's manufacturer
(see Figure 1).
Vehicles raised more than 50 mm above the original trim height as established by the vehicle's
manufacturer (see Figure 1) will only be conditionally registered in NSW and will have restricted access
to roads and road related areas.

They define trim height as the top of your wheel arches. How it is going to be enforced, I have no idea. I highly doubt they have the OE trim height of an 83 LWB Sierra.
They are also yet to define this conditional rego AFAIK.