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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:14 pm
by mike_nofx
Nah, hes a bloke with the name "FoxyRav"
BUT then again it could be! Men can have male partners too!
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:53 pm
by DUDELUX
Yes they can, and those kinds of men also wear teal slacks
.
And they lurve the 9inch extended somethings, oh yeah shackles I think they call it.
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:01 pm
by 80's_delirious
DUDELUX wrote:Yes they can, and those kinds of men also wear teal slacks
.
And they lurve the 9inch extended somethings, oh yeah shackles I think they call it.
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:04 pm
by reg
FoxyRav wrote:SimonInAustralia wrote:Bundera chassis/body mount dimensions...
Anyone want to fill in the blanks...
Wheelbase - Rav4 - 2400mm
Wheelbase - Bundera - 2310mm
Wheelbase - SWB GQ -
Track Front - Rav4 - 1700
Track Front - Bundera - 1415mm
Track Front - SWB GQ -
Track Rear - Rav4 - 1700
Track Rear - Bundera - 1400mm
Track Rear - SWB GQ -
Length - Rav4 - 3770
Length - Bundera - 3790mm
Length - SWB GQ -
Width - Rav4 - 1750
Width - Bundera - 1690mm
Width - SWB GQ -
Height - Rav4 - N/A
Height - Bundera - 1880mm
Height - SWB GQ -
Thats so much appreciated mate!
i'll get my partner to have a squiz when he gets
home from work and see what he sez...
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:07 pm
by reg
SimonInAustralia wrote:What year/model Rav4 is it?
96 model
Cruiser model, All electrics + sunroof
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:10 pm
by FoxyRav
]
Um your a chick
[/quote]
I thought it was pretty obvious i was a chick!
Does it matter that im a chick?
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:46 pm
by DUDELUX
To most of us, no it doesnt matter what you are.
As long as you are keen to get this built just as much as we are keen to see it built, then we will continue to help as much as we can.
For this is Outers
Also, this will be the build up of the year
.
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:47 pm
by SimonInAustralia
reg wrote:SimonInAustralia wrote:Wheelbase - Rav4 - 2400mm
Wheelbase - Bundera - 2310mm
Wheelbase - SWB GQ -
Track Front - Rav4 - 1700
Track Front - Bundera - 1415mm
Track Front - SWB GQ -
Track Rear - Rav4 - 1700
Track Rear - Bundera - 1400mm
Track Rear - SWB GQ -
Length - Rav4 - 3770
Length - Bundera - 3790mm
Length - SWB GQ -
Width - Rav4 - 1750
Width - Bundera - 1690mm
Width - SWB GQ -
Height - Rav4 - N/A
Height - Bundera - 1880mm
Height - SWB GQ -
Thats so much appreciated mate!
i'll get my partner to have a squiz when he gets
home from work and see what he sez...
How have you measured track?
Wheel track is from the centre of one rim to centre of the other rim, or can be measured from inside edge of one rim to outside edge of the other.
Is the Rav4 a 2 door or 4 door?
I'd search for the offical Rav4 spec on the net and use those measurements to compare.
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:46 am
by mike_nofx
FoxyRav wrote:
I thought it was pretty obvious i was a chick!
Does it matter that im a chick?
of course it doesn't matter! But it may be somewhat difficult to complete such a complicated build up from the kitchen!
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:23 am
by thrashlux
[quote="SimonInAustralia"]Bundera chassis/body mount dimensions...
Anyone want to fill in the blanks...
Wheelbase - Rav4 - 4-door: 2,410 mm 2-door: 2,200 mm
Wheelbase - Bundera - 2310mm
Wheelbase - SWB GQ - 2400 mm
Track Front - Rav4 - 1460 mm
Track Front - Bundera - 1415mm
Track Front - SWB GQ - 1530mm
Track Rear - Rav4 - 1465 mm
Track Rear - Bundera - 1400mm
Track Rear - SWB GQ - 1535m
Length - Rav4 - 1994–1997 2-door: 3,740 mm ,4-door: 4,150 mm
Length - Bundera - 3790mm
Length - SWB GQ - 4230 mm
Width - Rav4 - 1695 mm
Width - Bundera - 1690mm
Width - SWB GQ - 1930 mm
Height - Rav4 - who cares
Height - Bundera - 1880mm
Height - SWB GQ - as high as u want
although the track width is smaller on the bundy the offset of the wheels on a bundy is much wider so i would say outside of tyre to outside of tyre would be very very similar with say 31 inch tyres
now it just boils down to if you have a 4 or 2 door
if a 2 door it would be ok and have the wheels about 50mm closer to each end of the car
if a 4door the wheel base is closer to the nissan but still longer than the nissan
ideally when building a truck like this u want o move the wheels slighty to each end to clear the doors
when running big tyres(cause you can cut the guards biut not the doors)
the width of the patrol diff will make them stick out a long way due to the offset on patrol wheels which is fine if you want a big wide heavy truck
if you break it down
patrol chasis -
patrol diffs
patrol gearbox
ls1
+ rav body
it will just be a nissan patrol shorty with an ls1 and will be much heavier than say and less nimble use more fuel etc than
bundy chasis
hilux diffs
r150 gearbox
either 1UZ or 3sgte
+ rav body
so really do u want a light truck or do u just wanta gq patrol
i still think the front overhang off the nissan will be too great for the rav and the gearbox and diffs are huge
if you have a 4 dr both chassis r too short
if you are going down the lengthen path you could add 200 mm to the bundy chassis then you would have a great fit for wheel width wheelbase and front and rear over hang plus a lighter set of running gear
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:24 am
by FoxyRav
mike_nofx wrote:FoxyRav wrote:
of course it doesn't matter! But it may be somewhat difficult to complete such a complicated build up from the kitchen!
YOUR A FUNNY #*@#ER ARNT YA!
there's always gotta be one to try to spoil things for others.
Im not worried whether or not you think i can do it or not.
You will soon come to realize it will get done.
Some other people have thought it couldn't be done or i
wouldn't do it.
And now they seem to think it can an i will.
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:00 am
by anzac
anyone who cares that you're a chick is pretty narrow minded and ignorant, therefore their opinion doesn't count. F@#K em!
When I read your first post I was like, "this person has gotta be having a lend of us all. Pull the other one." Then I kept reading, realised you were serious, saw someone has done similar before and upon reading the rest of this, it actually looks really doable.
I would definitely vote for GQ SWB chassis, parts availability and relatively cheap at that, more stable and stronger diffs.
Engine, I think that you've overlooked the SR20DET. I have an S13 amongst my collection of toys that I wasted heaps of time and money on, but the SR20 is so cheap to get rediculous ammounts of power out of, and their are plenty of auto boxes available, very cheap because all the drift boys are ditching them. The engine is light enough for a few guys to lift in and out (done that), mine makes just over 300kw at the wheels but is fairly modified. 200 is easy on a standard engine with BB turbo, intercooler, computer and fuel mods. Buy the later model and you get variable cam timing as well.
Makes sense if you're on a tightish budget too as they are cheap from wrecks or import from japan, spare parts and aftermarket goodies are everywhere and cheap, plus it's small enough to fit easy with room for other bits and pieces.
Anyway, just another thing for you to consider. Oh and might I mention that my S13 get's under 10L/100km on the highway. Up to 13-14 round town but that was driving it, not pansy footing around. If I really upped it though, mine really chewed it, that's because of the mods I've done, when it was more standard, you could flog it all day at the track and drive home without refueling.
And you only pay 4cyl rego. Believe me, it adds up to a big saving. Over a year, my XR8 costs me easily 4-5grand more to run and rego.
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:16 am
by thrashlux
anzac wrote:anyone who cares that you're a chick is pretty narrow minded and ignorant, therefore their opinion doesn't count. F@#K em!
When I read your first post I was like, "this person has gotta be having a lend of us all. Pull the other one." Then I kept reading, realised you were serious, saw someone has done similar before and upon reading the rest of this, it actually looks really doable.
I would definitely vote for GQ SWB chassis, parts availability and relatively cheap at that, more stable and stronger diffs.
Engine, I think that you've overlooked the SR20DET. I have an S13 amongst my collection of toys that I wasted heaps of time and money on, but the SR20 is so cheap to get rediculous ammounts of power out of, and their are plenty of auto boxes available, very cheap because all the drift boys are ditching them. The engine is light enough for a few guys to lift in and out (done that), mine makes just over 300kw at the wheels but is fairly modified. 200 is easy on a standard engine with BB turbo, intercooler, computer and fuel mods. Buy the later model and you get variable cam timing as well.
Makes sense if you're on a tightish budget too as they are cheap from wrecks or import from japan, spare parts and aftermarket goodies are everywhere and cheap, plus it's small enough to fit easy with room for other bits and pieces.
Anyway, just another thing for you to consider. Oh and might I mention that my S13 get's under 10L/100km on the highway. Up to 13-14 round town but that was driving it, not pansy footing around. If I really upped it though, mine really chewed it, that's because of the mods I've done, when it was more standard, you could flog it all day at the track and drive home without refueling.
And you only pay 4cyl rego. Believe me, it adds up to a big saving. Over a year, my XR8 costs me easily 4-5grand more to run and rego.
hey i dont wanna be a downer but......
do u think an sr20 off boost will have enough grunt to push a gq
patrol around and turn the diffs and transfers
how do adapt an sr20 auto to a patrol transfercase
fuel enconomy is more a product of vehicle weight and wind resistance than the engine alone which a patrol/rav has not much in common with an s13
if you were going to run and sr you would want to run the lightest chassis and running gear available
sorry i dont like to be negative
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:17 am
by SimonInAustralia
thrashlux wrote:although the track width is smaller on the bundy the offset of the wheels on a bundy is much wider so i would say outside of tyre to outside of tyre would be very very similar with say 31 inch tyres
No, track width includes any offset in the measurement.
It is measured from the centreline of one rim to the centreline of the other, so if you have lots of negative offset, and your rims are pushed outwards, this is measured by track, and included in the factory specs, assuming you are working with factory rim dimensions, which you would/should be working with as a starting point for wheel sizing depending on which chassis you choose.
Track is not the measurement from wheel mounting face to wheel mounting face.
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:46 am
by FoxyRav
thrashlux wrote:SimonInAustralia wrote:Bundera chassis/body mount dimensions...
Anyone want to fill in the blanks... + My measurments from
a site!
Wheelbase - Rav4 - 4-door: 2,410 mm. -- 2200mm
Wheelbase - Bundera - 2310mm
Wheelbase - SWB GQ - 2400 mm
Track Front - Rav4 - 1460 mm -- 1461mm
Track Front - Bundera - 1415mm
Track Front - SWB GQ - 1530mm
Track Rear - Rav4 - 1465 mm -- 1466mm
Track Rear - Bundera - 1400mm
Track Rear - SWB GQ - 1535m
Length - Rav4 - 1994–1997 4-door: 4,150 mm -- 3706mm & 4150mm
Length - Bundera - 3790mm
Length - SWB GQ - 4230 mm
Width - Rav4 - 1695 mm -- 1694mm
Width - Bundera - 1690mm
Width - SWB GQ - 1930 mm
Height - Rav4 - who cares
Height - Bundera - 1880mm
Height - SWB GQ - as high as u want
although the track width is smaller on the bundy the offset of the wheels on a bundy is much wider so i would say outside of tyre to outside of tyre would be very very similar with say 31 inch tyres
now it just boils down to if you have a 4 or 2 door
if a 2 door it would be ok and have the wheels about 50mm closer to each end of the car
if a 4door the wheel base is closer to the nissan but still longer than the nissan
ideally when building a truck like this u want o move the wheels slighty to each end to clear the doors
when running big tyres(cause you can cut the guards biut not the doors)
the width of the patrol diff will make them stick out a long way due to the offset on patrol wheels which is fine if you want a big wide heavy truck
if you break it down IF ANYTHING BY ME JUST
patrol chasis - LOOKING AT THE SIZE
patrol diffs DIFFERENCE I WOULD SAY
patrol gearbox THE GQ IS A CLOSER FIT.
ls1 But ye i wanted to avoid a
+ rav body heavy vehicle.
it will just be a nissan patrol shorty with an ls1 and will be much heavier than say and less nimble use more fuel etc than
bundy chasis
hilux diffs
r150 gearbox
either 1UZ or 3sgte
+ rav body
so really do u want a light truck or do u just wanta gq patrol
i still think the front overhang off the nissan will be too great for the rav and the gearbox and diffs are huge
if you have a 4 dr both chassis r too short
if you are going down the lengthen path you could add 200 mm to the bundy chassis then you would have a great fit for wheel width wheelbase and front and rear over hang plus a lighter set of running gear
If anything me looking at the size difference i think the GQ looks more like a fit then the Bundera.. But ye i wanted to avoid a heavy vehicle... Ohwell if thats whats gotta be done,,then thats whats gotta be done to get the little RAV up an going..
But then as u said about the bundera chassis lengthening then that
could be a goer aswell.
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:54 am
by thrashlux
SimonInAustralia wrote:thrashlux wrote:although the track width is smaller on the bundy the offset of the wheels on a bundy is much wider so i would say outside of tyre to outside of tyre would be very very similar with say 31 inch tyres
No, track width includes any offset in the measurement.
It is measured from the centreline of one rim to the centreline of the other, so if you have lots of negative offset, and your rims are pushed outwards, this is measured by track, and included in the factory specs, assuming you are working with factory rim dimensions, which you would/should be working with as a starting point for wheel sizing depending on which chassis you choose.
Track is not the measurement from wheel mounting face to wheel mounting face.
thats correct i am with you on that
but when you run a wider rim than a rav4 rim (ie off road sytle wheel off a bundy or patrol) it pushes the total outside of tire to outside of tire dimension outward making it the right fit for the body
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:17 am
by SimonInAustralia
thrashlux wrote:thats correct i am with you on that
but when you run a wider rim than a rav4 rim (ie off road sytle wheel off a bundy or patrol) it pushes the total outside of tire to outside of tire dimension outward making it the right fit for the body
Yes, measurement of total width, from outside tyre one side to outside tyre the other side would be more useful in this sort of situation.
I suppose you could calculate that by adding a single tyre width (half a tyre width outside the track/rim centre line on each side) onto the track width of each chassis you are looking at, to give you a total width including tyres.
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:19 am
by SimonInAustralia
FoxyRav...Is it a 2 door or 4 door Rav4?
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:12 am
by mike_nofx
FoxyRav wrote:mike_nofx wrote:FoxyRav wrote:
of course it doesn't matter! But it may be somewhat difficult to complete such a complicated build up from the kitchen!
YOUR A FUNNY #*@#ER ARNT YA!
there's always gotta be one to try to spoil things for others.
Im not worried whether or not you think i can do it or not.
You will soon come to realize it will get done.
Some other people have thought it couldn't be done or i
wouldn't do it.
And now they seem to think it can an i will.
sarcasm obviously missed. Believe it or not I'm actually hoping you do pull this off!
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:23 am
by booflux
thrashlux wrote:SimonInAustralia wrote:Bundera chassis/body mount dimensions...
Anyone want to fill in the blanks...
Wheelbase - Rav4 - 4-door: 2,410 mm 2-door: 2,200 mm
Wheelbase - Bundera - 2310mm
Wheelbase - SWB GQ - 2400 mm
Track Front - Rav4 - 1460 mm
Track Front - Bundera - 1415mm
Track Front - SWB GQ - 1530mm
Track Rear - Rav4 - 1465 mm
Track Rear - Bundera - 1400mm
Track Rear - SWB GQ - 1535m
Length - Rav4 - 1994–1997 2-door: 3,740 mm ,4-door: 4,150 mm
Length - Bundera - 3790mm
Length - SWB GQ - 4230 mm
Width - Rav4 - 1695 mm
Width - Bundera - 1690mm
Width - SWB GQ - 1930 mm
Height - Rav4 - who cares
Height - Bundera - 1880mm
Height - SWB GQ - as high as u want
although the track width is smaller on the bundy the offset of the wheels on a bundy is much wider so i would say outside of tyre to outside of tyre would be very very similar with say 31 inch tyres
now it just boils down to if you have a 4 or 2 door
if a 2 door it would be ok and have the wheels about 50mm closer to each end of the car
if a 4door the wheel base is closer to the nissan but still longer than the nissan
ideally when building a truck like this u want o move the wheels slighty to each end to clear the doors
when running big tyres(cause you can cut the guards biut not the doors)
the width of the patrol diff will make them stick out a long way due to the offset on patrol wheels which is fine if you want a big wide heavy truck
if you break it down
patrol chasis -
patrol diffs
patrol gearbox
ls1
+ rav body
it will just be a nissan patrol shorty with an ls1 and will be much heavier than say and less nimble use more fuel etc than
bundy chasis
hilux diffs
r150 gearbox
either 1UZ or 3sgte
+ rav body
so really do u want a light truck or do u just wanta gq patrol
i still think the front overhang off the nissan will be too great for the rav and the gearbox and diffs are huge
if you have a 4 dr both chassis r too short
if you are going down the lengthen path you could add 200 mm to the bundy chassis then you would have a great fit for wheel width wheelbase and front and rear over hang plus a lighter set of running gear
Doesnt happen very often but I agree with thrashlux I would run the Bundy setup and just do a chassis extension if required.
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:58 am
by thrashlux
booflux wrote:
Doesnt happen very often but I agree with thrashlux I would run the Bundy setup and just do a chassis extension if required.
does this mean we have kissed and made up ?
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:16 pm
by FoxyRav
SimonInAustralia wrote:FoxyRav...Is it a 2 door or 4 door Rav4?
ITS A 4 DOOR
1996 4 door
Cruiser edition
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:37 pm
by FoxyRav
sarcasm obviously missed. Believe it or not I'm actually hoping you do pull this off![/quote]
Sarcasm quoted!
I get sarcasm very well, I myself am the queen of sarcasm
but it is hard to tell whether you a serious or joking in typing/tex.
An to me this is a blokes site, so me letting you guys know
my idea i was expecting sarcasm cause i am female.
but surprising enough everyone has been so helpful.
ANYWAY i would love for this project to be finshed by the
end of the year.
Luckily enough my partner knows what his doing in the chassis
area.
Cause you's are confusing me now.
half of you's think SWB GQ the other half say extended BUNDY.
Im in 2 minds i want it to be strong but light.
STRONG GQ,, light bundy,,,
Is an LS1 fuel efficient.
and whats a LUz or what ever!
Now im also confused about what motor to use aswell.
As i said i would ideally like a turbo of some sort.
but then as someone else said: Will it be stronger enough for
a GQ Chassis to turn an stuff.
I DONT KNOW NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My partners saying V6.. but to me thats so original.. I want
it to be different!
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:02 pm
by hillbilliywheelchair
do you really have to extend the bundy chassis???
is it possible to to just move the coil hats and pan-hard along with the use of longer links?????????
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:11 pm
by thrashlux
hillbilliywheelchair wrote:do you really have to extend the bundy chassis???
is it possible to to just move the coil hats and pan-hard along with the use of longer links?????????
you could
but i find when you want a car to be a good streeter its best to leave all the suspension mounting points standard to keep all the angles nice
it would be very easy to lengthen if u do it right in the middle where the rails are straight ( or easier than moving all of that stuff ie panard mountings,steering box etc etc)
does anybody out ther know the wheel base of the imported prado
its a LWB bundy?? it has other issues though
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:06 pm
by flyinwall
what is the width difference between a bundy rear diff and a coil surf/4runner diff if there is a difference
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:33 pm
by thrashlux
flyinwall wrote:what is the width difference between a bundy rear diff and a coil surf/4runner diff if there is a difference
i am pretty sure bundy is the same as leaf hilux
the surf is the same as ifs hilux slightly wider
79 series cruiser is the same as ifs hilux / surf
thats the combo i used in one of my rigs to coil a lux
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:54 pm
by beinthemud
FoxyRav wrote:]
Um your a chick
I thought it was pretty obvious i was a chick!
Does it matter that im a chick?[/quote]
No no at all just confussed with missfourby
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:58 pm
by oldmate
DUDELUX wrote:Yes they can, and those kinds of men also wear teal slacks
.
And they lurve the 9inch extended somethings, oh yeah shackles I think they call it.
Teal slacks are all the rage, so it seems.
If you google "teal slacks" this thread is 5th on the list
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:59 pm
by beinthemud
FoxyRav wrote:sarcasm obviously missed. Believe it or not I'm actually hoping you do pull this off!
Sarcasm quoted!
I get sarcasm very well, I myself am the queen of sarcasm
but it is hard to tell whether you a serious or joking in typing/tex.
An to me this is a blokes site, so me letting you guys know
my idea i was expecting sarcasm cause i am female.
but surprising enough everyone has been so helpful.
ANYWAY i would love for this project to be finshed by the
end of the year.
Luckily enough my partner knows what his doing in the chassis
area.
Cause you's are confusing me now.
half of you's think SWB GQ the other half say extended BUNDY.
Im in 2 minds i want it to be strong but light.
STRONG GQ,, light bundy,,,
Is an LS1 fuel efficient.
and whats a LUz or what ever!
Now im also confused about what motor to use aswell.
As i said i would ideally like a turbo of some sort.
but then as someone else said: Will it be stronger enough for
a GQ Chassis to turn an stuff.
I DONT KNOW NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My partners saying V6.. but to me thats so original.. I want
it to be different![/quote]
Well eather a chick or a ghay guy eather of which realy dosent matter . i think your idea is fantastic.Please don't go V6 way to average stick to your guns and go toyota 4cyl
