Outer Limits 4x4 Board

fish_man wrote:mmmmm dads getting on the piss tonight, maybe its a good time to ask him to drive me down there

wheres the car located?

wanterna south 45minutes from my house

Because the motor is newer than the car there is no need for engineering.

ah sik, i always thought that ne engine swap needs to be eginerred,

Not engineered, but you do have to 'register' the engine with the DOT/RTA.
If the engine does not match the rego papers when you get there (look on a flat section of the engine block above where the dipstick tube goes into the block for the number) then you will just have to check the engine is legit and the vendor can provide a receipt for the engine.

TuffRR wrote:Because the motor is newer than the car there is no need for engineering.

Where the hell did you get that from??? - so you can put a commodore v6 in a 1986 rangie without engineering???

The QLD rules are (which should be pretty much the same as the rest of the state), that if it was an optional engine for the vehicle then it doesn't need to be engineered, provided you upgrade things like brakes and suspension to suit. So for instance you can fit a turbo engine to a non-turbo VL provided you fit the same brakes etc as fitted to the turbo model.

AFAIK the 3.9 engine was fitted to the last of the RRC's so the swap doesn't need engineering. But if it had a 4.6 then technically it should be engineered.

AFAIK, in Victoria you can replace the motor with a similar motor as long as its newer than the vehicle. This is so that it complies with emmissions for that particular year model.
A similar motor means that it was offered in that vehicle by the manufacturer. So no, you could not put a commo motor in without engineering but you could put in any Land Rover motor that has appeared in a Rangie ie the 4.0.

Taken directly from http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/rdsafe/vsi%208.pdf

An engine which is not the same type as offered by the manufacturer of the vehicle as original, but is similar in power, weight and emissions standards to that of the original engine, may be fitted to such a vehicle

fair dinkim well u learn something everyday hey!
go the rangies

TuffRR wrote:Taken directly from http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/rdsafe/vsi%208.pdf

An engine which is not the same type as offered by the manufacturer of the vehicle as original, but is similar in power, weight and emissions standards to that of the original engine, may be fitted to such a vehicle

Yes but it goes on to say that "If alteration to the vehicle's frame or structure is involved, and specially fabricated supports or structures are used, an Approval Certificate must be supplied."

So the Disco V8 is OK because it bolts straight in, but other engines (even though made by Land Rover and used in Rangies) that don't bolt straight in (i.e. need different engine mounts) would need approval - like the VM turbo diesel fitted to rangies - or any later rangie TD's.

Which disagrees with what you said below.

TuffRR wrote:you could put in any Land Rover motor that has appeared in a Rangie

Pfft..... who'd want to put the VM turbo diesel into a Rangie.

rrrrrrr, the guy won't be back inmelbourne until late, so gunna have to wait till next weekend, to have a looksee at it, appently its got 2 inch lift and running 33"s allready

If you're worried about engineering then technically the 33's need to be engineered. But you'd very unlikely to ever get picked up for it.
Of course you could always swap the 33's for smaller tyres if you're worried.

i hope ur thinking about qld or something cause down here in vic i see heaps of ppl, running 35's daily driving?

fish_man wrote:i hope ur thinking about qld or something cause down here in vic i see heaps of ppl, running 35's daily driving?

Doesn't mean its legal. Most of the cars arnt legal though, and tyres are the least of their worries.

Dave.

TuffRR wrote:If you're worried about engineering then technically the 33's need to be engineered. But you'd very unlikely to ever get picked up for it.
Of course you could always swap the 33's for smaller tyres if you're worried.

Is the 2" lift body or spring - if it is a body lift it needs engineering as well. Any tyres that are more than 15mm in diameter over the stock size need engineering - most people don't bother though.

yeah its in the suspension, with those crappy blisten shockers

Bilstien crappy, now thats something new.

I rate Bilstien and Koni the best available followed by any of the rest.

Michael.

Gets my vote

Mal

i heard that the blistens have a 2" gas resivour in them, so u losse 2" of travel, thats y i think there crap

fish_man wrote:i heard that the blistens have a 2" gas resivour in them, so u losse 2" of travel, thats y i think there crap

You really need to improve your spelling. And posting in forums isn't the same as writing SMS messages.

That aside, bilsteins are great shocks IMO - they work really well on my 110. The only disadvantage I am aware of is that they are single tube - so easier to damage. I am not aware of any 2" gas reservoir - but that isn't to say it doesn't exist.

RaginRover wrote:Looks good, Disco engine is a big plus - your first job is to hunt
down some cheap shocks and flog thos bilstiens - they are 2" shorter
in travel than any equivalent shock - cause of their gas resevoir.

But that would all be ahead of you - EFI is definately the way to go and they are a good engine to work on

Tom

yeah sorry bout spelling just can't be stuffed

Looks like it MAY be correct. Look here.

http://www.hendersonslineup.com/bilstein_shock.jpg

However, it doesn't mean they are not great shocks, just that they don't have quite as much travel. Since this is your first 4x4, it is not as if you need a heap of mods right away. On road handling with the bilsteins will be good.

Though from the difference between the 2 diagrams it lookd like this section slides up and down - I don't know if it is 2" tre travel is shortened by though, but you would expect it to be reduced.

http://www.allrad-christ.com/bre_zub-Da ... itt_n3.jpg

ISUZUROVER wrote:Looks like it MAY be correct. Look here.

http://www.hendersonslineup.com/bilstein_shock.jpg

However, it doesn't mean they are not great shocks, just that they don't have quite as much travel. Since this is your first 4x4, it is not as if you need a heap of mods right away. On road handling with the bilsteins will be good.

Though from the difference between the 2 diagrams it lookd like this section slides up and down - I don't know if it is 2" tre travel is shortened by though, but you would expect it to be reduced.

http://www.allrad-christ.com/bre_zub-Da ... itt_n3.jpg

I've got some stock length (for rangie) bilsteins and ranchos laying around and travel is the same as far as I can tell. So I would need better evidence before I believe they have less travel.

There are a lot of shock lengths listed in this thread. When you work out the numbers there IS FAR LESS THAN 25mm (2") difference between the bilsteins and the others.

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... ht=#336544

Looks like you may be wrong on this one Tom.

To summarise the results of the shock lengths down the page:

FRONT MAX MIN DIFF (all in mm)
ARB LTR 554 324 230
Bilstein 548 330.5 217.5
Koni 540 322 218
OE 546 328 218
OME 602.0 368.3 233.7


REAR MAX MIN DIFF
ARB LTR 560 340 220
Bilstein 553.5 336.5 217
Koni 563 346 217
OE (Woodhead) 550 350 200
OME 584.2 368.3 215.9


So as you can see, they all measure about the same travel. The ARB LTR are a bit longer but the others are about the same as the bilstein.

fish_man wrote:

RaginRover wrote:Looks good, Disco engine is a big plus - your first job is to hunt
down some cheap shocks and flog thos bilstiens - they are 2" shorter
in travel than any equivalent shock - cause of their gas resevoir.

But that would all be ahead of you - EFI is definately the way to go and they are a good engine to work on

Tom

yeah sorry bout spelling just can't be stuffed

Ben,

The info I had was from Chuck and my own experience, I have found the travel to be adequate in my rig however in my old 2 door I had king springs and the combination of that and the billys really limited my travel.

Chuck gave me the approx 2" figure - I can't remember whether it was the compression or the extended length it effected.

I still have a set of billys in the back of my '91 - as soon as I mod the rear mounts I will be running 80 series munroes.

Tom

Edit - By the way I meant to say I could well be wrong on the lengths

does anybody know how much these blistins reatail for?

Gday been watching with interest For a mild lift on Classic Rangies & Ser 1 discos we have been fitting Lovell springs & Bilsteins & some times Rangie Spares springs,the Bilstiens have more than enough travel for this lift but anymore is a no go

We find that the Bilsteins are better than Konis as not as firm but hey this is personal,I wouldnt go past Bilsteins for this application as they are a great shock on & off the road go the sport option as on road so much better

Hope this helps

Mal

mmmm the guy just rang me and said the rego no. is not on the rego papers, but he said he will when he gets the roadworthy for it? is this a no-no is is it ok, if he gets the no. onto the papers for me if we do the transfer?

it should be fine. I think the worst that could happen is you buy an unregistered car so you would have to pay your 500+ rego dollars now rather then in a few months when its due its not a biggy. As long as you have the roadworthy you should be sweet.