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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:17 pm
by lay80n
I run 32 swampers on zook diffs, but i dont hold much faith in the strength. Am plannin on toys (lux or 60) as soon as i can
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:27 pm
by ljxtreem
the only advantage, of the toy diffs is strength.
If you arnt breaking zook diff's, its dumb to go to toy diffs and run the same tyre, cuz you will loose lots of clerance.
Its logical
If your breaking axels, put trail tough double tuff axels in, and kill everyone with, bigger tyres, and zook diff clereance.
Its logical
Mock
P.S if your breaking lots of zook stuff with 30' to 32" tyres, then I would be looking at your driving style.
There not that weaK
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:39 pm
by ZOOK60
Gwagensteve wrote:Strength isn't everything if you are sitting on your diffs and have no payload 'cos it weighs the same as a zook @ GVM.
I'm sure there is a place for really big diffs in sierras, and I have been involved with putting MQ's under ljxtreme's critta (shaved rear) It's just that I think that sometimes when stuff breaks it's telling you you were being a tool and you shouldn't have been doing that in the first place.
I've broken a couple of CV's in other peoples sierras. One was a 1.0 litre welded front and I didn't know it had gone (in mud) and the other was in Greg's car. The shackle had inverted and the tyre was jammed into the firewall and I tried to drive it out - sure enough, CV.
The thing is, if you respect the car, you'll always be better off on zook diffs becuse of the clearance and lightness. I think for some competition applications it's cool to over diff the car because the rules etc don't let you drive like you might recreationally.
I think that lots of people loose sight of the goal when building a car and try and build out every percieved weakness and forget that that doesn't always lead to a better result. If you want a car with the highest off road capability, you will always get the highest capabillity with sierra diffs. If all you want is a really big strong heavy car, then by all means go to off brand diffs.
maybee next time you are in sydney you will have too come wheeling with us
u will soon see that we are very cool calm drivers usually i drive about 2.5hours just too get to the tracks so thrashing our cars is not an option.
its all good and well having zook diff clearance but you can only run 31"s bacause of strength issues the simple fact is u just wont drive these trails
with 31" tyres anyway.
did you go too tuff trucks? did you see the way tim/sam/dave drove their zooks? these are the guys i wheel with this is the way we drive its called rock CRAWLING not hitting an obstical as hard as you can and trying too bash your way up.
just because you do a cv dosnt mean your a tool maybee it means you a tool for putting such big tyres on such small diffs
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:49 pm
by ZOOK60
another thing is width for stability perposes
yes you can put flipped rims on but sieriously how long are your wheel bearings going too last?
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:50 pm
by ljxtreem
Oh thats right
up in NSW uz guys are so hard core
Its not all, mud, hitting it hard, throwing bundy cans out the window and root'in ya sister, down here ya know
TOOL=COOL
Mock
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:09 pm
by ZOOK60
ljxtreem wrote:Oh thats right
up in NSW uz guys are so hard core
Its not all, mud, hitting it hard, throwing bundy cans out the window and root'in ya sister, down here ya know
TOOL=COOL
Mock
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:16 pm
by ljxtreem
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:03 pm
by SAWZALL
ljxtreem wrote:Oh thats right
up in NSW uz guys are so hard core
Its not all, mud, hitting it hard, throwing bundy cans out the window and root'in ya sister, down here ya know
TOOL=COOL
Mock
Hehehe (see sig)
I just can't see how you guys get anything to last...
I couldn't imagine doing a WERock round with 33's on Zuk diffs...
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 6:28 pm
by ljxtreem
I think you could if u built a super light buggy.
I had planed to build a buggy with zuk diffs, but it had to weigh under 600kg wet.
I think the diffs would have held together
But cuz there is a minimmum weight rule of 1000kg(which I think is the biggest bull shit rule ever, this is in all classes, even super modified) that kind off rules zook diffs out, and my idea aswell
shit happens
Mock
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:06 pm
by Gwagensteve
I bet all of you planning heavy el stoopido axles on your toyotas (oops, zooks) know someone who runs as much tyre as you and still drives all of the stuff you wish you could, sure, maybe they bust something now and again- what-ever!
We've got plenty of people here in vic who out drive us all the time with 1.0 litre stuff, 31's, open diffs etcetctec... don't let equipment distract you from the point here - driving better.
In any case, 'zuk diffs can be built pretty readily. I happen to have played with a set of double tough front axles and a trailtough mini spool. Double tough axles - very very very cool and look like they have all of the inherent weaknesses worked out of them.
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:20 pm
by SAWZALL
Gwagensteve wrote:I bet all of you planning heavy el stoopido axles on your toyotas (oops, zooks) know someone who runs as much tyre as you and still drives all of the stuff you wish you could, sure, maybe they bust something now and again- what-ever!
We've got plenty of people here in vic who out drive us all the time with 1.0 litre stuff, 31's, open diffs etcetctec... don't let equipment distract you from the point here - driving better.
In any case, 'zuk diffs can be built pretty readily. I happen to have played with a set of double tough front axles and a trailtough mini spool. Double tough axles - very very very cool and look like they have all of the inherent weaknesses worked out of them.
OK for the Victorians........
1) Not many of us are planning Toy axles, we're running them
2) Noone runs the stuff "we" do on sub 33's
3) They bust often not whenever on 33's
4) Improving the equipment doesnt mean we're sh1t drivers
5) Zuk diffs can be built readily but expensive and still weak
6) Double tough axles - very very very dear and still weak centres/hubs/R&P
7) Zuk with Toy axles is still a Zuk
8) Number of trucks on sub 33's at tuff truck/werock....NONE
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:23 pm
by ljxtreem
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:38 pm
by ZOOK60
so you have strong axles what about the wheel bearings?
its all good and well having strong axles but when your still narrow as buggery and laying on your side good luck too ya
this build-up will be a comp ready rig drive there drive home it has too be reliable. No good trying too go through a comp with your fingers crossed
ive also found when you strenthen the axles you start busting centres
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:25 pm
by N*A*M
get over it dudes. zook stuff is fine to a certain extent. but recreational victorian wheeling is not the same as a rock crawling comp. has gwagensteve or mock even attended a rock comp like werock or xrcc? even if you don't break, you won't keep up with the other rigs in your class.
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:50 pm
by ljxtreem
Comp or no comp, U guys dont know what we drive, and u guys are saying, u dont hit obsticles hard.
I push my rig and I push myself, when I drive, and my zook diffs held together, with 36's, I think this is due to my driving style.
Just cuz u guys drive comps, dosnt make U the most hardcore, as I say u dont know what we we/I drive.
And Just cuz people In comps are using a paticular type of diff, or tyre, toilet roll, it getts people building cars to a formula, eg (if you got a suzuki and your going to compete in it you'v got to have Toy diffs).
Rock crawling Is a sport of inovation, if someone can make something outside of the formula work, whats wrong with that,
Think outside the sqare.
Eg, maybe making the car lighter, will help hold the diffs together.
There are lots of options
you guys have chosen one
Mock
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:24 pm
by stumped
each to their own.... we've prolly gone on with this enuf, it's pretty off topic, and we don't wanna get the mods fired up anymore than they are already
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:13 am
by ljxtreem
cool
Mock
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:51 am
by DeWsE
No I don’t think we really have gone on about this enough. Just to bring in another aspect to this conversation… I remember reading in Petersen’s that a zook won TTC Hawaii on zook diffs running 37’s! Locked back and front on strengthened axels. Now try telling me NSW are more hardcore then them…
I run 33’s on flipped rims open back and front. I’m a shit driver so I just thrashed the hell out of it, including on the rocks. I never broke anything to do with the diffs. After more then 6 months of DD the original wheel bearings never made a noise!
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:43 am
by stumped
DeWsE wrote:No I don’t think we really have gone on about this enough. Just to bring in another aspect to this conversation… I remember reading in Petersen’s that a zook won TTC Hawaii on zook diffs running 37’s! Locked back and front on strengthened axels. Now try telling me NSW are more hardcore then them…
I run 33’s on flipped rims open back and front. I’m a shit driver so I just thrashed the hell out of it, including on the rocks. I never broke anything to do with the diffs. After more then 6 months of DD the original wheel bearings never made a noise!
don't mind me, i'm just a wannabe mod
i was just sick of ppl arguing 'bout stuff without listening to other ppls point of view... sierrajim put up a thread that looks like it could be good for actual tech and intelligent debate
