Tough Tracks round 2 at LMP

[striped tomato]

Cones are the killers in TT, so definitely risk, and if necessary take a penalty for wheel spin if that gets you on the line you need to miss the cones. Same goes for other penalties - reverse, stacking etc. are all preferential to hitting a cone.

As I said, I think front digs should be allowable in challenge class and in trophy class as long as in trophy you haven't modified the car to achieve the ability (might be showing my ignorance here as I don't know whether a locked front is necessary or beneficial to perform a dig).

[Rolly]

yes tony things are quite different to short course days .
we encourage wheelspin more than discourage it as it is more entertaining for the spectators to see cars trying to blast up hills and over obsticles than crawling and have heavy penalties for wheel spin .
as steve said the only time this penalty comes into play is if someone is totally altering the track which would give them an advantage over the vehicles following.
i dont think suzukis really need front digs as they already have an advantage over the patrols and cruisers in the tight stuff .
i dont discourage it either as it would be good for spectators and make us work even harder to try and keep up.

[Rhett]

who said anything bout suzis doing front digs Scotty drives a lux

[RUFF]

yes tony things are quite different to short course days .
we encourage wheelspin more than discourage it as it is more entertaining for the spectators to see cars trying to blast up hills and over obsticles than crawling and have heavy penalties for wheel spin .
as steve said the only time this penalty comes into play is if someone is totally altering the track which would give them an advantage over the vehicles following.
i dont think suzukis really need front digs as they already have an advantage over the patrols and cruisers in the tight stuff .
i dont discourage it either as it would be good for spectators and make us work even harder to try and keep up.

Yeah sorry about Questioning the Excessive Wheelspin. From some of the replies here i guessed lots were getting pinned for it but after Talking to Scotty today he said it is very rare to get a wheel spin penalty. He actually didnt know if anyone had ever been issued a penalty for this.


So the Rear disconect can or cant be used?

Its also possible to set this up on a Patrol. It just takes a little thought and a bit of work on a lathe.

[Rhett]

Ive been done round three last year

[RUFF]

Ive been done round three last year

Ive seen how you drive you prob deserved it

[andy & di]

yes tony things are quite different to short course days .
we encourage wheelspin more than discourage it as it is more entertaining for the spectators to see cars trying to blast up hills and over obsticles than crawling and have heavy penalties for wheel spin .
as steve said the only time this penalty comes into play is if someone is totally altering the track which would give them an advantage over the vehicles following.
i dont think suzukis really need front digs as they already have an advantage over the patrols and cruisers in the tight stuff .
i dont discourage it either as it would be good for spectators and make us work even harder to try and keep up.

Yeah sorry about Questioning the Excessive Wheelspin. From some of the replies here i guessed lots were getting pinned for it but after Talking to Scotty today he said it is very rare to get a wheel spin penalty. He actually didnt know if anyone had ever been issued a penalty for this.


So the Rear disconect can or cant be used?

Its also possible to set this up on a Patrol. It just takes a little thought and a bit of work on a lathe.

I'd be interested to see whats involved in this

[green4x4]

3.4.7 TRANSFER CASE

The transfer case system is free.
Transfer case ratios are free.
• The transfer case and differentials shall be operative and capable of driving all four wheels.

[STIKA]

3.4.7 TRANSFER CASE

The transfer case system is free.
Transfer case ratios are free.
• The transfer case and differentials shall be operative and capable of driving all four wheels.

The transfercase will meet both of the above requirements, it just that other options have been selected.

I cant recall anywhere in the rule that states you must/shall be in 4WD mode to start the event

[andy & di]

or in 4wd at all times....................

[BIG GQ]

This thread has gone to the dogs with all the poletics. Just drive it

[antt]

3.4.7 TRANSFER CASE

The transfer case system is free.
Transfer case ratios are free.
• The transfer case and differentials shall be operative and capable of driving all four wheels.

ahh

like tony said, better re-word the rules then, cause this is what it says

 The transfer case and differentials shall be operative and capable of driving all four wheels.

how is selectable front wheel drive any different to selectable rear wheel drive like 99% of 4wd's have. doesn't state that the vehicle must remain in 4wd while on course

i'm over it anyway. wont be competing in TT anyway cause i dont like 4wd clubs.....that and my pos wont be finished this century at this rate

[The Big Green Meany]

This thread has gone to the dogs with all the poletics. Just drive it

Here ,Here

[andy & di]

Woof Woof!!!!!!!!!!!

[big red]

tracks are done ... gunna stop you lot this time
all 3 challenge class and 3 trophy class tracks are in the same area between Rav Ridge and Cruiser Canyon.

food tent will be out at the tracks and he will have meals available at The Gums campsite on sat night.

woohoo, can't wait

[RUFF]

So is there anyone who can give an answer on the Rear Disconnect?

Or are you all just going to take guesses or just dodge the question entirely?

There are vehicles currently competing in this event that have the capability to do this and there are other potential competitors that are contemplating entering this event that have this capability.

So is it a problem or not???

[BIG GQ]

It is currently being discussed Tony. I for one don't have a problem with it and a lot of other club and/or committe members do not have a problem with it. I don't think an answer would be out until after next club meeting.

[RUFF]

Keep this in mind then. There was a day when people thought that it was a competitive advantage to have diff locks. If rules didnt change then we wouldnt be where we are today. New designs just improve the sport all the time.

[Spartacus]

so hows competitor levels?
you full up yet?

[green4x4]

there are 5 challenge class spots left. plenty of trophy

[Rolly]

this topic was bought up last year and the competitors were told that there is nothing in our rules to say you cant have front digs . as we have said before it isnt any real advantage in this type of comp as it is not that tight and the tracks are designed to even out any wheel base advantage .
if running front digs becomes a huge advantage then the club might have to look at it further .
in the spirit of the comp it is designed to be purely driver/navi in a controlled catergory of vehicle and if we dont controll it we will end up with fewer people competing as it will become unaffordable .

[flynn]

hopefully be up there if i get the lux rego'd and worthy and insured.....and if i still have funds left after that....

hmmm...so whos up for helpin me rob a bank

[STIKA]

the comittee has decided that front digs will not be allowed in Tough Tracks events

[Rhett]

Nice to decide that after Ive forked out good moneey and time to mod my truck. I doubt Il bother competing now. I drag the suzi up and just go wheelen were I can do a dig if I please

[cutzook]

so who's going to be competing and how many places left in challenge class. i might be there in a mysterious vehicle, if nthere are places left.

[RUFF]

the comittee has decided that front digs will not be allowed in Tough Tracks events

What about Rear Digs?

[chunderlicious]

tony........ look, digs are only for the internet

[Rolly]

sorry to hear that rhett .
you have proven in the past you dont need front digs to win this comp .
as linc always says just drive it .

cut zook i think we are just over the 30 in challenge class but could squeeze in one more if you want to compete.
sounds like a couple might pull out anyway.

[Rhett]

Somtimes its not about winning for me. I just like to drive my car the way Ive built it drive. But I will be there cheering u on to mabe test that exo of yours

[Willy Hilux]

Hey Rhett, Bring ya Bling up & let the better half drive. It's all for the fun. She might put alot to shame.