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Hi guys,

Im about to throw a 5.0L into my mav and im thinking of fitting the t700 auto in with it, the t700 will be beafed up.

Has anyone on here done this setup before?

good combination

although i would chose a chev over the holden motor.

the 700r4 is an excellent auto, 4 speed to boot.

Make sure you set up the TV cable correctly, if you dont, you can blow your transmission quick smart.

Cheers,
Jes

jessie928 wrote:good combination

although i would chose a chev over the holden motor.

the 700r4 is an excellent auto, 4 speed to boot.

Make sure you set up the TV cable correctly, if you dont, you can blow your transmission quick smart.

Cheers,
Jes

Whats the TV cable?

he means the kick down cable. when you select your engine make sure you get the trans and computer so it all matches. some vr and all vs on commodores have fully electronic controlled autos and you need the right computer to run them. pre vr ran the kick down cable and manual and auto computers are the same.

Ive bought a whole VN and yep it is the cable one

jessie928 wrote:good combination

although i would chose a chev over the holden motor.

the 700r4 is an excellent auto, 4 speed to boot.

Make sure you set up the TV cable correctly, if you dont, you can blow your transmission quick smart.

Cheers,
Jes

what type of chev?

Anrt the 304's made by GM anyway? its all chev on the inside

as i understand it, the engine and trans are all coming from a car that is currently drivable.... swapping the whole lot over should be no dramas.

turbo gu wrote:he means the kick down cable. when you select your engine make sure you get the trans and computer so it all matches. some vr and all vs on commodores have fully electronic controlled autos and you need the right computer to run them. pre vr ran the kick down cable and manual and auto computers are the same.

sorry dude, its not a kick down cable....

the TV cable is the THROTTLE VALVE cable, it controls line pressure in the transmission. You can drive without a kickdown connected, if you drive with a mis adjusted or disconnected TV cable, you will FRY your transmission quicker than you can rev your 5l to 6krpm

cheers,
Jes

Hulksta wrote:Ive bought a whole VN and yep it is the cable one

well done, the VN transmission is the best one to use ( from australia anyway)

if you want it to last with punishment, you have to kit it up with some corvette and light truck bits though, stuff like servo's, drum, clutches, shift kit.

you cant bolt it straight in anyway, you have to change the mainshaft when you fit the adapter to it, so when you get this done ( or do it yourself) fit the extra bits.

You will also need a controller for your torque converter lockup, b&M make one, you can make one yourself, and there are others aswell.

Jes

tuf045 wrote:

jessie928 wrote:good combination

although i would chose a chev over the holden motor.

the 700r4 is an excellent auto, 4 speed to boot.

Make sure you set up the TV cable correctly, if you dont, you can blow your transmission quick smart.

Cheers,
Jes

what type of chev?

depends on what you want to do with it.
307 is good ( much better than the 305)
327 nice nice revvy engine
350 you start loosing the revvyness but start piling on some more low end torque
400 ( big or small) , this is an inbetween motor, it has its place, but i would much rather athe 427

for all out balls, go the 502 or OMG the 572

there is so many choices, the mind boggles.

my favs are the 327 and the 427, both of these are thin on the ground through. so 454 or 350.

Jes

why does he need anything to control the the converter when he is using the the whole standard engine trans combination? generally people only fit them if you are fitting them behind a different engine eg HZ or the like.
As for the TV cable they have only one cable on them so you can't drive with the kick down disconnected. the kick down cable is connected to the throttle body and will not burn the auto out quick as. it will make the car hold gears and the like.

jessie928 wrote:

Hulksta wrote:Ive bought a whole VN and yep it is the cable one

well done, the VN transmission is the best one to use ( from australia anyway)

if you want it to last with punishment, you have to kit it up with some corvette and light truck bits though, stuff like servo's, drum, clutches, shift kit.

you cant bolt it straight in anyway, you have to change the mainshaft when you fit the adapter to it, so when you get this done ( or do it yourself) fit the extra bits.

You will also need a controller for your torque converter lockup, b&M make one, you can make one yourself, and there are others aswell.

Jes

turbo gu wrote:why does he need anything to control the the converter when he is using the the whole standard engine trans combination? generally people only fit them if you are fitting them behind a different engine eg HZ or the like.
As for the TV cable they have only one cable on them so you can't drive with the kick down disconnected. the kick down cable is connected to the throttle body and will not burn the auto out quick as. it will make the car hold gears and the like.

jessie928 wrote:

Hulksta wrote:Ive bought a whole VN and yep it is the cable one

well done, the VN transmission is the best one to use ( from australia anyway)

if you want it to last with punishment, you have to kit it up with some corvette and light truck bits though, stuff like servo's, drum, clutches, shift kit.

you cant bolt it straight in anyway, you have to change the mainshaft when you fit the adapter to it, so when you get this done ( or do it yourself) fit the extra bits.

You will also need a controller for your torque converter lockup, b&M make one, you can make one yourself, and there are others aswell.

Jes

maybe you misunderstood what i posted.
it is not a kickdown. I just gave an example of driving without a kickdown is OK ( in a gearbox fitted with a kickdown cable) , driving without the TV ( which the only cable that resides on a th700r4 gearbox is detrimental..

When he first posted about the Gearbox, he had not stated that he had a complete vn Injected 5L.

Yes he can use the lockup controller from the VN, but its even better with one that you can manually locku ( again modify yourself or buy off d shelf)

man i h8 semantics.

Jes

i have never heard anyone call them a tv cable. everyone i have spoken with has always called hem a kick down so we were talking past each other, that said never seen a poorly adjusted one kill an auto.

turbo gu wrote:i have never heard anyone call them a tv cable. everyone i have spoken with has always called hem a kick down so we were talking past each other, that said never seen a poorly adjusted one kill an auto.

no dramas.
well they are not a kickdown, thats a fact.
How many badly mis adjusted TV's have you seen? people bolt them in the exact opposite way they should be, put them in their trucks and then put the foot down and melt the tranny down....these are in conversion situations with no factory TV cable brakets, and installers " assuming" that it is just a kick down cable.

Cheers,
Jes

i've seen plenty in commodores not in modified trucks. generally only ever seen them have harsh shifts when badly adjusted

Jessie. what does the Throttle Valve do?

can you gimme a bit of and explanation to what it is and what it does? i liek to be informed for if i decide to do this myself some day

MyGQ wrote:Jessie. what does the Throttle Valve do?

can you gimme a bit of and explanation to what it is and what it does? i liek to be informed for if i decide to do this myself some day

hi mate,
there is a very comprehensive explanation here.

http://www.tvmadeez.com/article/index.php
and click on TV 101 article in the orange box at the top of the page

god i love google sometimes.

Jes

Hulksta wrote:Ive bought a whole VN and yep it is the cable one

What sort of dollars did you pay for the car ? I'm lookin at my options ie: buying whole car or just motor and computer and bits i need, any help would be great.

Its a Calalis and i payed $2650 and duel fuel too

Once i sell whats left after i should come out of it ok

jessie928 wrote: it is not a kickdown. I just gave an example of driving without a kickdown is OK ( in a gearbox fitted with a kickdown cable) , driving without the TV ( which the only cable that resides on a th700r4 gearbox is detrimental..

When he first posted about the Gearbox, he had not stated that he had a complete vn Injected 5L.

Yes he can use the lockup controller from the VN, but its even better with one that you can manually locku ( again modify yourself or buy off d shelf)

man i h8 semantics.

Jes

I normally don't agree with you, for some reason or another, but this time, 100% right. It is called a TV cable, unless you are with your low tech auto loving friends, that figure any cable in a auto, that isn't the speedo, must be for kickdown.

And a misadjusted one, is deady for GM auto's. Read the card from any change over auto company, or the instructions that come with your aftermarket shifter, it can kill it within minutes.

jessie928 wrote:

Hulksta wrote:Ive bought a whole VN and yep it is the cable one

well done, the VN transmission is the best one to use ( from australia anyway)

if you want it to last with punishment, you have to kit it up with some corvette and light truck bits though, stuff like servo's, drum, clutches, shift kit.

you cant bolt it straight in anyway, you have to change the mainshaft when you fit the adapter to it, so when you get this done ( or do it yourself) fit the extra bits.

You will also need a controller for your torque converter lockup, b&M make one, you can make one yourself, and there are others aswell.

Jes

Arr Jes you hit the nail on the head ive already started colecting some corvette parts to throw in the box

CRUSHU wrote:

jessie928 wrote: it is not a kickdown. I just gave an example of driving without a kickdown is OK ( in a gearbox fitted with a kickdown cable) , driving without the TV ( which the only cable that resides on a th700r4 gearbox is detrimental..

When he first posted about the Gearbox, he had not stated that he had a complete vn Injected 5L.

Yes he can use the lockup controller from the VN, but its even better with one that you can manually locku ( again modify yourself or buy off d shelf)

man i h8 semantics.

Jes

I normally don't agree with you, for some reason or another, but this time, 100% right. It is called a TV cable, unless you are with your low tech auto loving friends, that figure any cable in a auto, that isn't the speedo, must be for kickdown.

And a misadjusted one, is deady for GM auto's. Read the card from any change over auto company, or the instructions that come with your aftermarket shifter, it can kill it within minutes.

heheh disagreeing is good. brings out different views and arguments.
must be the ford badge
JEs

Hulksta wrote:Its a Calalis and i payed $2650 and duel fuel too

Once i sell whats left after i should come out of it ok

thanks for that,i'm leaning towards gettin a whole car and gettin what i need and flogging off the rest.

the TV cable would do the same job as the TPS on the Nissan..... it kills transmissions as well..... and therefore is the biggest reason people who do the 5 litre conversion end up creaming their trans.... fries the shit out of the clutches because the TPS is not set correctly.

I'll be watching this post as well because I doing the same exept it will chev 454 they are cheap as now $3500 rebuilt with everything external new eg electronic dizzy fuel pump water pump etc... thats 450 hp over 400 pounds of torque and if your going to pay v8 rego you may as make it worth it. but I am getting a mixture of veiws with the t700 some say great transmission unbreakable others say the first line locker i do i'll fry it peace of shit box and forget over drive and just use a t400 and run smaller ratios in diffs to get revs down at a 100ks i like the idea of the overdrive but and dont wont to give up on it yet i'm talking to some guys in the states about it they seem more faredinkim not just tring to get a sale I'll keep you posted

that link that jessy put up looks the goods i'll read it properly later

glad to here you didn't go with th nissan auto, i've had mine rebuilt twice in 27000kms, one mech told that they would handle a v8, as i was thinking of it at the time, and the second time it spat, the bloke said, "yeah mate, thats expected, they use the same auto in the skylines and pintara's, so what do i believe,

bloody clowns,

CRUSHU wrote:

jessie928 wrote: it is not a kickdown. I just gave an example of driving without a kickdown is OK ( in a gearbox fitted with a kickdown cable) , driving without the TV ( which the only cable that resides on a th700r4 gearbox is detrimental..

When he first posted about the Gearbox, he had not stated that he had a complete vn Injected 5L.

Yes he can use the lockup controller from the VN, but its even better with one that you can manually locku ( again modify yourself or buy off d shelf)

man i h8 semantics.

Jes

I normally don't agree with you, for some reason or another, but this time, 100% right. It is called a TV cable, unless you are with your low tech auto loving friends, that figure any cable in a auto, that isn't the speedo, must be for kickdown.

And a misadjusted one, is deady for GM auto's. Read the card from any change over auto company, or the instructions that come with your aftermarket shifter, it can kill it within minutes.

Auto's without a vacuum modulator are the ones you can't drive without the cable properly adjusted, on auto's with vac, it helps in controlling pressure in the valve body,

One's without need the kickdown correctly adjusted to control fluid pressure, but you "shouldn't" kill your auto straight away, unless your a nong, as you should notice the odd shift changes, either flaring between changes, or extra firm and holding gears to long

The Nissan auto will handle over 600hp with the right mods. In the US they are running up to 1000hp through without dramas. The one I'm using has just been stripped after 18 months behind TD42 with 21psi intercooled etc doing comps. It was still in perfect condition. It was only stripped to change input shafts to bolt up to the VH45 (4.5 Nissan V8) that I have just installed. They use the same auto as the patrol. A lot of vehicle use the smaller version up to V6's most thing bigger than that ie V6 turbo 300ZX and above use the same auto as the Patrol.
People don't look after their trans and then blame it when it melts!
Mine is going back on the road with with increased line pressure, more frictions etc etc and a manual shift conversion. But in reality it is almost the same as what I ran behind a TD42. Keep then cool and they'll last for 200k.