Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Hey I am selling my xj here in NSW. Its got 6.5 inch's of lift on 35 mtr's. There is a guy in Queensland that says he cant buy it because the r t a guy said that anything bigger then 4 inch lift is defect and can not get a rego.. Now I know there are big rigs up there so how does it work.
SORRY if this is not techy.. but it is to me and if I was to ask this in general chit chat good god it would go on for days.

Well, not a Queenslander, but I did live there for over 12 years - still have Qld plates on my Paj...

Yes, Qld sucks for modified 4wds. 35s on XJ - no. End of story. Not sure about the lift.

The only way around it is Individually Constructed Vehicle - and a modified XJ won't cut it. Think body/chassis swaps as a minimum...

Remember - just because it's on the road, it doesn't mean it's legal.

I was under the impression anything over 2" total (Spring, body and tyre) lift is illegal unless somehow (fundamentally impossible) it gets engineered. Even if it does get engineered, the DOT can set up an inspection site and still put you off the road as they have 'the final say'. Mind you I know more 4WDs that have illegal lift than those that don't (mines actually stock). If you go illegal its your risk (legal, moral, etc), I'm pretty sure some dodgy roadworthys get done.

BTW I am a Quennslander.... My understanding anyway.

I had my 50mm bodylift inspected by DOT (about 2003?) with zero dramas - had approximately 50mm suspension lift at the time, they didn't even mention it. Did discuss tyre sizes - my 31s were technically illegal, but they didn't ask any questions.

Perhaps things have changed recently...

no. never. Queensland sux for mods tyres and lift.2 inch spring and 2 inch body (body lift has to be blue plated)

i was told 65mm spring lift and no body lift is legal in qld
50mm body lift no spring lift was also legal

tyre width 25mm wider then standard but correct me if im wrong

to many restrictions up here

Hey Sasjeep, this is what happened to another well known modified XJ up there in QLD http://carl.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?t=37971

There is seriously so much BS that goes around on lift legalities in QLD. Read the bloody modification manual. No where does it mention exact measurements for total allowable lift. 50mm body lift is allowed as long as QT inspects it-there is no blue plate for a body lift! Spring lift, well so long as the height between the rubber bump stop and chassis stop is not increased by more than a 1/3 it is legal. This will mean different allowable spring lift heights depending on each car. There is nothing saying these can't be done in unison.

Nev wrote:There is seriously so much BS that goes around on lift legalities in QLD. Read the bloody modification manual. No where does it mention exact measurements for total allowable lift. 50mm body lift is allowed as long as QT inspects it-there is no blue plate for a body lift! Spring lift, well so long as the height between the rubber bump stop and chassis stop is not increased by more than a 1/3 it is legal. This will mean different allowable spring lift heights depending on each car. There is nothing saying these can't be done in unison.

oh really ???

Nev wrote:There is seriously so much BS that goes around on lift legalities in QLD. Read the bloody modification manual. No where does it mention exact measurements for total allowable lift. 50mm body lift is allowed as long as QT inspects it-there is no blue plate for a body lift! Spring lift, well so long as the height between the rubber bump stop and chassis stop is not increased by more than a 1/3 it is legal. This will mean different allowable spring lift heights depending on each car. There is nothing saying these can't be done in unison.

x2 i read it recently... go download a copy from the dot site

dirtyGQ wrote:

Nev wrote:There is seriously so much BS that goes around on lift legalities in QLD. Read the bloody modification manual. No where does it mention exact measurements for total allowable lift. 50mm body lift is allowed as long as QT inspects it-there is no blue plate for a body lift! Spring lift, well so long as the height between the rubber bump stop and chassis stop is not increased by more than a 1/3 it is legal. This will mean different allowable spring lift heights depending on each car. There is nothing saying these can't be done in unison.

oh really ???

Actually what Nev says is 100% correct.

50mm/2" body lift is allowed, as is a spring lift by UP TO 1/3 of the distance between bump stop and axle.

But to have a 6.5" lift - that would be 2" body and 4.5" sping lift. For a 4.5" spring lift to be legal, an XJ would have to come with a 13.5" gap between bump stop and axle

Must 4x4s are lucky to have 3" standard, and the maximum would have to be 6" - so the maximum legal spring lift would be somewhere between 0.5-2" - depending on vehicle.

well that is what all the 4wd shops say as did the dot when i got pulled over in mine,gee the bs does flow then

buy some cheap 4 springs and put in and his prob from... get deposit on condition on spring replacement... dont mention shocks etc cheap sale and seld 6 spings 2nd hand...

Nev wrote:There is seriously so much BS that goes around on lift legalities in QLD. Read the bloody modification manual. No where does it mention exact measurements for total allowable lift. 50mm body lift is allowed as long as QT inspects it-there is no blue plate for a body lift! Spring lift, well so long as the height between the rubber bump stop and chassis stop is not increased by more than a 1/3 it is legal. This will mean different allowable spring lift heights depending on each car. There is nothing saying these can't be done in unison.

Yep this is what I have found also. As for tyres Qld runs on the ADRs so a 15mm increase in height is it unfortunately. There is more to the tyres than that also that is just the height aspect.

Good info guys. My jeep is simular to jimmy b"s just not as nice. Its not looking real good for selling my rig up there but that cool with me dont really want to sell anyways, its the wife..

You are now allowed a 50mm increase in tyre size i have been told up from the 15mm.

Cheers Heath

heathgu wrote:You are now allowed a 50mm increase in tyre size i have been told up from the 15mm.

Cheers Heath

Where did you hear this? I know the new national guidelines say this. However when I rang up last week to enquire about some issues I asked and was told Qld will not be adopting the national guidelines ( code whatever its called) due to them exceeding the current rules. Which to me defeats the purpose of a national guideline.

booflux wrote:

heathgu wrote:You are now allowed a 50mm increase in tyre size i have been told up from the 15mm.

Cheers Heath

Where did you hear this? I know the new national guidelines say this. However when I rang up last week to enquire about some issues I asked and was told Qld will not be adopting the national guidelines ( code whatever its called) due to them exceeding the current rules. Which to me defeats the purpose of a national guideline.

Now if they only made guidelines law we would be happrier

easy stacy, tell her you tried, it has decreased in value to much that it would be extremely bad financial decision to sell it when you will wan a new one after a short time anyway

sasjeep wrote:Good info guys. My jeep is simular to jimmy b"s just not as nice. Its not looking real good for selling my rig up there but that cool with me dont really want to sell anyways, its the wife..

Stace, your jeep is much much much nicer than Jimmys was, besides the lift ,they would probably complain about the drop boxes for the lower control arms in the front as well as the lift and tyres.
Sell south of the border and you shouldnt have too many problems.

MUCH NICER.

dirtyGQ wrote:well that is what all the 4wd shops say as did the dot when i got pulled over in mine,gee the bs does flow then

I think they just say 2" as it is easier to understanbd, and probably the practical limit (i.e. no 4x4 would have more than 6" between axle and bump stop when stock.

Btw - looks good (for a jeep...)

If you want to be technical, I believe the regulations specifically refer to altering the travel IN EITHER DIRECTION by more than one third of factory. If you free up your articulation, and they discover your DROOP has increased by more than one third, you can still be done.

However, there's bugger-all chance they'll discover that, so I wouldn't be concerned.

As for bump travel, space your bump stop! If you've lifted the suspension 4", but 2" increase is your limit, space your bump stops by 2" - it complies with the letter of the law.

-Scott- wrote:

As for bump travel, space your bump stop! If you've lifted the suspension 4", but 2" increase is your limit, space your bump stops by 2" - it complies with the letter of the law.

No, I definantly recal reading that moving and/or extending bump stops is illegal in QLD. (Ok so my credibility may be dead after my earlier post on this thread seems to have been confirmed wrong, but I'm sure this time, honest ).

you can get a roady for anything, you just have know someone that will put there name on the paper work. and than when you hand the transfer papers in make sure its 10mins from closing time on a friday arvo.

Highway-Star wrote:-Scott- wrote:

As for bump travel, space your bump stop! If you've lifted the suspension 4", but 2" increase is your limit, space your bump stops by 2" - it complies with the letter of the law.

No, I definantly recal reading that moving and/or extending bump stops is illegal in QLD. (Ok so my credibility may be dead after my earlier post on this thread seems to have been confirmed wrong, but I'm sure this time, honest ).

I think you are right HS. Moving bump stops is an easy method and I am sure it is specifically excluded.

Also fitting extended shackles to gain height is illegal.