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I know this has been done before and Ive spoken to 2 blokes in Qld that have done it with Manual nissan boxes.

ANyone done it anywhere else?

Has anyone done it with a auto nissan box??

Did you use the standard airbox and other gear?

Engineered??

Ive come up with the weight of a SR20DET would be too much and compared with the HP (close to CA in stock form) and $$$$$$$$ its not worth it.

CA18's are often on ebay and nissan forums for well under $1500 bucks (sometimes under 1K) and are only about 15-20kg heavier than Vit 1.6 and a lot more torque/HP!

This maybe similar $$ to doing a Vit 1.6 swap, just three times as much work with having to widen the tunnel, run a auto trans cooler, etc!
But as fas as I know you have widen the tunnel to get the vitara auto in anyway, plus run a cooler, plus move the trans case back??

Look forward to your input!

Rob

I have a PDF file 818 pages of Nissan workshop manual to suit (CA18) S13 Sylvia. If anyone would like a copy let me know.

Edit - Just saw you are asking bout a LWB, so some of my comments are not relevant. Steve.

Rob,

I know I sometimes struggle to get this point across, but, here goes....

What do you hope to achieve with this much HP in a Sierra? There is no way that a Sierra has the chassis dynamics or stability to be able to make this a usable conversion on the road, and as for off road.... unless you are planning a hefty wheel base stretch and some very large tyres, I can't really see you gaining much capability over, say, an EFI vitara/4 speed auto.

A member of the Suzuki club here in vic fitted a N/A SR20 and auto into a LWB sierra (fully engineered). As I understand it, you would be far better starting with a LWB if you want to try and get an auto in. This member had the SR with a manual in a SWB and it was pretty hard to modulate the power offroad.

This car has a donaldson type airfilter and endless air as well as large shock mounts through the inner guards. It is a VERY tight fit. The added pipework of the turbo would be a major challenge.

Yes, the tunnel has to be widened to fit the auto.

I would be surprised if an engineer would pass this conversion - 45 to 140odd Kw would require very significant upgrades in soo many areas.

My suggestion would be a NA SR20 or even a NA CA18

Just my 2C worth

Steve.

how about a 4agze with the corrolla auto? buzz engines at sumner park just recently turbo charged a vitara engine in a sierra and made over the hunggee mark at the treads

Gwagensteve wrote:Edit - Just saw you are asking bout a LWB, so some of my comments are not relevant. Steve.

Rob,

I know I sometimes struggle to get this point across, but, here goes....

What do you hope to achieve with this much HP in a Sierra? There is no way that a Sierra has the chassis dynamics or stability to be able to make this a usable conversion on the road, and as for off road.... unless you are planning a hefty wheel base stretch and some very large tyres, I can't really see you gaining much capability over, say, an EFI vitara/4 speed auto.

A member of the Suzuki club here in vic fitted a N/A SR20 and auto into a LWB sierra (fully engineered). As I understand it, you would be far better starting with a LWB if you want to try and get an auto in. This member had the SR with a manual in a SWB and it was pretty hard to modulate the power offroad.

This car has a donaldson type airfilter and endless air as well as large shock mounts through the inner guards. It is a VERY tight fit. The added pipework of the turbo would be a major challenge.

Yes, the tunnel has to be widened to fit the auto.

I would be surprised if an engineer would pass this conversion - 45 to 140odd Kw would require very significant upgrades in soo many areas.

My suggestion would be a NA SR20 or even a NA CA18

Just my 2C worth

Steve.

i agree with this, the det is just going to have no torque for offroad the de is going to be more than suitable for a power and efi gain.

i think the reason hes going the ca instead of the vit+auto is because of the outright buy price of the motor, i hope your handy with a welder/wiring diagram because this conversion isnt going to be a piece of cake.

Thanks dudes,

Ive had a 1.6efi in my swb zuk and I would like a bit more punch on road because it didnt pull up many hills like Id like it too.
As we all know people put turbos on 1.6 zuk motors.
So rather than go thru the junk of getting a turbo engineered on a 1.6 Ive asked the engineer about using a stock ca18det.
He told me in stock form its no probs to engineer because of emissions etc and far easyer and cheaper that engineering a 1.6 vit with turbo.
Half cuts for Vits are from 1500 to 2500 and ca18det is exactly the same price wise and very close to same weight as far as I can figure out.

From what I can tell the 4agze is heavier by about 50 plus kilos but just as cheap. But its not been ruled out for now, just a lot harder to engineer according to the bloke ive been talking too.

The zuk I have is running Bundy diffs and 32's so drive train should be OK, my mate has 1.6 turbo and regauly does winch challange etc and hasnt broken anything in 3 years.

Thanks for your coments, please hit me with some more feedback!

I have a ca18de in the 413 at the moment . not bad , only wanted more power lately as its not running to good . I will bolt the turbo on thius winter . I have a nissan nivara gearbox behind it so the front shaft is on the l/h side . Bit of a hassle but sorted not . Its a trailer queen so no cert issues .

You can put a rb25 gearbox output half on a ca18 box to shorten it up , alas that is manual only , not sure about an auto . Would like to go to an auto thou . kepp us posted on what you end up doing .

Chris

lux44 wrote:how about a 4agze with the corrolla auto? buzz

its a realy good idea!!!
just finding the auto is a hell of a job.. i bought a whole ae71 for it!!!!
and im only runnig a 4afc

Hey putting a ca18 in a zook makes them one fun car to drive around. MIne is only a ca18de and its got heaps of power and turns the 31 a lot easier than the 1.3. Ive got mine in a zook ute and mine is a 5 speed manal. If u need wireing done and some other pointer pm me, as ive had mine going for over a year or so and i drive it every day. I want to auto when i put the motor in but there wasnt any around. The tunnel would need some slight massaging to get the auto in as the 5 speed only just clears.
Trent

hello rob you know what i have to say as we have spoken before, as for the ca18det a lot of work, a lot of money, alot of time, and a lot of fun .
It has pleanty of torqe as i dont need low range no point as long as i dont let it boost up, but dont compare the conversion to a vitara, i did, totaly diferent all the plumbing/intercooler for the turbo$$$$.
As for the auto use an auto from a TURBO vl commerdore jatco 4sp and a bell housing / fly wheel from a pintara ca20. its all interchangable and it will be a vacume controlled box, that come shift kitted standed only need a switch for over drive easier cheaper, if you use a ca 18 auto they are full elec need the computer to suit and forget shift kitting for under $2000 because it has to be done through an after market computer.

and i have 2 turbo jatco 4sp boxes sitting in my shed!!

thats my 2 cents (after a secret sum was spent doing the above)

Ca18 zook are you in Melbourne??

Rama,

Im still thinking and getting info about this. I like your idea of the VL auto im guess they are not only cheaper but prob nissan boxes anyway as the VL had the nissan motor.

I will PM you soon with some more info about the ute ive bought.

Thanks

Rob

No im in ipswich about 1 hour from briss QLD. Ive had the car going for over a year and it the best thing ever. There is no reason that u cant run the standed ca18 auto. It may be powered bye a computer but there cheap as chips as everyone want the manals. One of my best mates is into doing all the wire harness for the motors and making the autos work. Ive got mine in a LWB ute as well.
Trent

EMAIL ME SOME PICS I'D LIKE TO SEE IT

offroader-rama wrote:EMAIL ME SOME PICS I'D LIKE TO SEE IT

How about yous both post some pics so we can all see .

this is my ute






Hey ROB your turn show us your Rig Rama as well.
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how do you put pics on outer's as there is no place for attachments

offroader-rama wrote:how do you put pics on outer's as there is no place for attachments

gotta host them on web. imageshack or similar.

or maybe someone can do it for u if u email pics throu.

Nic

Looks good! Could you chuck a turbo on it if you wanted too???
Like Rama has always said pretty squashy but it will go with loads of work.

I will post some pics when the Ute arrives!!!!! Its stuck in QLD at the moment and my mate who has a truck company will pick it up next time hes up there with some room. It could be 2moro or could be next month!!!!!!!!! The waiting is killing me!!!!!!!!!

Id have to email the pics too coz Im not great on the puter.

Another Stock CA18DET just sold on the Silva forum, blown head gasket but sold with Auto box, ecu, loom, etc for $400 bucks!!!!!!!!!

I paid $150 for both turbo vl boxes ask an auto shop what he thinks about working the different boxes

Sorry to hijack the thread a little.
But I am just wondering why you are specfically wanting to put an auto box in with the CA18DET?
I have always preferred manual, and I always though manual was better for 4wding.... then again, I have only been 4wding myself for a year or so, so I may be missing something.

WITH A MANUAL YOU NEED TO RIDE THE CLUTCH AND TRY NOT TO WHEELS SPIN WHEN YOU ARE GOING OVER REALY ROUGH TERRAIN OR IN MUD / SAND THE TIMES WHEN YOU NEED TO GO SLOW
IN A AUTO YOU CAN JUST FEATHER THE PEDDLE AND LET THE TORQUE CONVERTER DO THE SLIPPING INSTEAD OF THE CLUTCH

ALSO WITH A CA18DET IN A SIERRA ITS HARD TO KEEP UP THE GEAR CHANGES ON THE ROAD THE GEARING IS SO CLOSE TOGETHER A AUTO WOULD MAKE THIS A LPEASER TO DRIVE HAVE YOU DRIVEN A GOOD V8 AND I MEAN A GOOD V8 AUTO CAR NOT SOME ONES DADS CALAIS YOU DONT NEED A MANUAL IN ONE ITS BETTER WITHOUT IT THIS IS THE SAME IT'LL WHEEL SPIN IN 'DRIVE' / NO BRAKES AND STILL GO OFF ROAD NO WORRIES

HOPE THIS ANSWERD YOUR QUESTION JEREMYISME

As rama said the ca18 have plenty of power and the auto would make the hole setup. But mine is real fun with the manal and u just keep pulling the gears and it pull real hard. There a lot of difference between the vitra and the ca18. THe difference in buying the motor and hole setup is hard to compare. CA18 is the way to go, it may be a little more work than the vitra but there desinged for a turbo.
That what i think and the proof is driving mine or Ramas Zooks
Trent

So how hard is the install of a CA18 (non turbo) how many mods are needed IE engine mounts .. not fussed about auto or manual.

Just for bombing about forestry roads etc. How well on stock gearing will it pull a 31 or 32 at the very outside.

Would like a little more power than a Vit 1.6 and I will need to replace the gearbox anyway as the Zuk I am looking at the gearbox is getting a bit sad. An it is fun haveing the gocart type feel of a pretty stock Zuk with a decent bit of poke.

i have been looking into this conversion for a while now, and have spoken t ca18zook about what is needed, as far as i know, custom engine mounts, jacksharfts and driveshafts.

i have just bought my new suzuki and as soon as i have the CA18de rebuilt i will be starting to put the motor in my suzi,

chuckwilltalk wrote:i have been looking into this conversion for a while now, and have spoken t ca18zook about what is needed, as far as i know, custom engine mounts, jacksharfts and driveshafts.

i have just bought my new suzuki and as soon as i have the CA18de rebuilt i will be starting to put the motor in my suzi,

Pics of swap pls.

yeah mate, will do a complete rite up.

So wonder if the swap ever happened ...

if it did he would have liked it, i did

Dunno bout his, but i put one in a swb a few weekends ago, engine mounted, wiring done, engine running(roughly due to no intake piping to propely locate the AFM(had to have it duct taped to the throttle) and vac leaks).

Took about 6-8 hours of actul work to get it to that stage.
Managed to get it to sit under the bonnet no body lift, this will mean the trans tunel will need raising to have the transfer and gearbox outputs straight.

When i get a few of my tools back home i will go about a proper gearbox mount and mount the transfer case, make the jackshaft.

Still got abit of thinking about the cooling system, would like to use the stock ca18det radiator, but i havent measured up the space properly yet as their are other things to get done b4 then. And i have the front clip off atm.

Having driven a vit 1.6 efi powered sierra, and driven a ca18det 1600, and 1200, I belive the ca in a sierra will be a great engine, they are actully pretty torquey down low.
With the correct gearing, its guna be good!