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I am looking at getting 33" all terrains to got touring up north west WA. Most of the driving will be on gravel road and sand and i am just wondering which width treat pattern, 10.5 or 12.5, would be best suited to these conditions. Also what are the main pros and cons of both, and wouls mud terrains be better suited.

cheers

cuzza

mussies not as good on sand as ATs, 12.5s will be better when deflated on sand but will be slightly more slugish in handling on the road.


mind you, my 12.5s have no probs on road, but id say thats just coz im used to them...


oh yeah, wider are quieter, unless you compare my muddies to your ATs gotta love that mudterrain tire roar on daily drivers

whats a tyre?

im not a search nazi but even i would have to agree with bogged here

bogged wrote:whats a tyre?

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/search.php

RockyF70 wrote:

bogged wrote:whats a tyre?

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/search.php

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/search.php?mode=results

After trying the search function on this one, i coulden"t find any specific info on 33 by 10.5 tires when compared to 33 by 12.5 tires.
and i personally think it is quite a good question.

My not having had either but considered both.

you are very restricted in brand with the 33 by 10.5 as as far as i am aware only bfg make this size. which might make getting one "outback" a bit of a problem

the 33 by 12.5 is quite a wide tire and really needs a 8.5"plus rim for proper fittment. it also presents itself for more damage on gibber rocks etc.

another choice for all round performance would be a 32 by 11.5 which is good on a 8" rim and available from several manufactures


PS get the BFG Mud in this size and it will take you anywhere you will want to go (and maybe a bit further).

Thanks for the reply fozdick, i tried to the search option with several diiferent key words and i came up with nothing. Bogged comment as he would quote is " pure manure". Thanks for the constructive input.

I agree unfortunately the search button 99% of the time is useless. There is however a sticky in the bible.
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?t=59341

Cooper tyres got rated the most puncture resistant tyre for touring in 4wd monthly. The ST (all terrain) or STT (mud), I've heard good things about them from friends who have taken them on long trips over most terrains.

I would personally choose an A/T if your only expecting sandy/ gravel roads as these have better rating than most muddies on this type of terrain, if your not going to encounter mud and rock or deep sand there is no point having muddies. I found M/Ts don't handle as good as A/Ts if your doing long gravel roads/highways, A/Ts brake and handle alot better hence your safer and more comfortable, plus the bonus of not having the hummmming sound of muddies which can get annoying after a few hours on the road.

I perfer the widest tyre reasonable, because they offer more stability offroad on angles and more tread width means a bit extra traction in most conditions. They look better and are more popular.

MTR would also be a nice tyre for this type of journey if only they wern't so soft and weak.

Alot of 4wd mags have tested all aspects of tyres for these types of journeys, see if you can find someone who has an old stack of 4wd monthly to flick through, they have the gold.

ferog wrote: MTR would also be a nice tyre for this type of journey if only they wern't so soft and weak.

That's the first time I've seen MTRs being called 'soft and weak'....
I thought they were the more puncture resistance than the majority of radial tyres?? Esp BFG and Coopers.
MTRs get less staking and rip less lugs off

I ran them and lost lugs and chunks on rocks quicker than any other tyre I've ran before. They also wore very quickly allround on the road compared to BFG's hence the reason I felt they were too soft. Some people like them though, i'm not one.

I have to agree, ive not heard anything bad about MTR's.. Am currently looking at new tyres, roughly the same questions etc as this post.. Was sold on Coopers, then heard a lot of negative sentiments, whereas the MTR's all good..

This is very confusing and the more you read the more confused you get..

Im no expert but it seems like Coopers have very good marketing and probably why mags always say there so good, ie Kickbacks, directly or indirectly

Personal opinion

Well you can rely on marketing or rely on other peoples experiences, but usually the best way is to find out yourself.

I would have to say going from bias claws to desert duellers i laughed.
and i thought what are these nancy looking tyres.
but i drove them from NSW to WA, lived tehre for 6 months a little offroad but nothign extreme then all the way back to NSW.
no punctures, they look like they havent even lost any tread.
my claws wore down pretty fast, as did my BFG Muddies. possibly due to poor set up vehicle.


but yeah just my 2c.

and as ferog said, the 4wdmonthly where they tested them all is what you want to have a read of. cos most people rave about that they have, but they have done the tests so compare results to price and get a winner!

ferog wrote:Well you can rely on marketing or rely on other peoples experiences, but usually the best way is to find out yourself.

It's hard though, coz tyres are usually the most expensive item on the car... and they just wear out
Although it'd be nice to try them all, you need to get all of the opinions possible to make the best decision.

I too heard nothing bad about MTRs and lots of negatives about Coopers.... that's why i bought the MTRs (which is what i was deciding between).
And quite frankly, I could not be happier Thanks guys!

[quote="HotFourOk"]
It's hard though, coz tyres are usually the most expensive item on the car... quote]

only if you drive a zook or daihatsu

I will always say though that it is hard to suggest a tyre, people drive different rigs, drive diffeently and want different things from there tyre, from performance to road feel etc, and often its just a gut thing, I can say MTRs are fantastic (they worked for me) but them otberhs say they are crap, they dont wear well or puncture easily, I have heard of people killing 4 or more tyres like bfg or coopers up the cape while there mate with duelers didnt do any or the bloke with the motorway muddies that has done 2 trips to the cape in a year and never staked a tyre

I would never bet onthe performance of a tyre

a mate of mine who owns a bridgestone tire outlet rekons that coopers are only average and he personaly buys his 4wd tires from other places as he rekons mikey Ts are the best option hes used in terms of wearing...



but i agree with tiny, it depends on what your driving and where...

Tiny wrote:

HotFourOk wrote: It's hard though, coz tyres are usually the most expensive item on the car...

only if you drive a zook or daihatsu

HAHAHA ..... Daihatsu's are worse coz there's nothing around for them!

Every tyre seems to have for and against.
Here is a summary of the Search results -

New BFG Muddie the radial belts dont go full width and are banned on some tag along tours

MTRs seem excellent on lighter vehicles but wear quickly on heaver vehicles. Good reports on traction cept mud.

Coopers ST are over priced and the KM guarantee is not worth poo if you read the restrictions, they also chip and tear on rocks. There was a recall on one batch.

Coopers STT dont seem to have enough rubber on the carcase and the lugs tear off, even the ones in the middle of the tyre!

Mickey T Radial Claws wear unevenly apparently, causing wheel imbalances

Only good things on the Mickey T MTZ

Procomp X-Terrain also only good things except the tread depth isnt as deep as most other brands

Maxxis BigHorn seem to offer good value and only good things are said.

Simex ET & JT get good reviews

Interco Swamper, Swamper SX good reports but dont try and balance or use on the road as they wear quick.

How much of this is fact I dunno?
But I have seen the Cooper STT rip lugs off my self.

I have run the old style BFG muds, MTR/s, New style BFG muds and swamper tsl/sx, but all on light cars like zooks or rocky's. But i will chip my 0.02c in anyway.
The old BFG's - Great tyre, lasted for ages, never came of bead at low pressure (10.5 wide on 7 inch rim) never got mud in bead. Side wall was good. Wear was good too, but did get noisey as they wore (too lazy to rotate reguallly :(). Over all good tyre.
New BFG - Mud in bead, and generally didnt seem as nice as the old ones. I didnt have much time with these as it wansnt my car they were on.
MTR - Great tyre. Better that BFG on road, wore well (under stripped down zook). Average in mud, but on rocks and trails was very good. Never had bead issues, and the sidewalls have held up fine despite heavy use at low pressures (less than 8 psi)
Swampers - Offroad are awesome, traction everywhere. Very stiff sidewall, so doesnt bag quite as well as i would like, but still works great. Onroad, they wear, dont balance well, are noisey, and handle like carp.

Layto....

lay80n wrote: Swampers - Offroad are awesome, traction everywhere. Very stiff sidewall, so doesnt bag quite as well as i would like, but still works great.

Layto....

They bagged well on mine Layto LOL