Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Been looking at 35" mud tyres, cheapest ive found so far is the Maxxis bighorn at 310, others are a tad more, $340 for kumho and i think cooper ST from memory (the prices i got are at home).

Theres nankang and federal ones cheaper apparently however looks like they are only 33".

Any other brands i should be looking at. Id really love a $200 35" tyre

Also, I am i going to gain $400+ worth of value out of buying $310 35's vs maybe $200 for 33's.

2nd hand is the only way to get them at the price you are thinking or wanting

315 Nankang (35x12.5x16)...should be a touch over $200...and we have been told that they come out of the same factory as the bighorn...hence the identical tread pattern to the buckshot.

geez that's a good price, might have to check them out myself

Any ideas where to get them for that price in Melbourne?

Best prices im gettin on the Nankang muds are $235-$240.

Hey juls, what sort of driving are you planning? Are they a 2nd set of muddies purely for offroading or are they the wear everyday go everywhere type muddies?

If they're the first type don't waste your money on anything but Simex Extreme Trekker's or Silverstone MT117's(??)

If it's the latter, then yeah go a set of the cheapest muddies. They're all just as good/bad as each other imho.

Hey mudtoy, where are you getting those prices from? I need a new set of tyres for on-road.

got 35 inch wrangler mtrs for 260 a tyre. brand new

mudstars

yeah nangkang mudstars
or maxxis buckshots (same tread as mudstar but with better carcase and cheaper than bighorns.

you will only get what you pay for.

for the price your looking at spending $200 ea you wont get a GOOD tire..

or are you just after the fact to brag you have 35's so quality doesnt matter?

Spend the money on something with decent sidewalls, great grip, and be happier than just shit tires.

Everywhere everyday muddies.

Some more info: I drive 110km through high speed windy roads to work so will eat the edges of the tyres so by my thinking I wont get great milage out of any tyres, no matter how good they are. I will probably be quite hard on the rears too because its a V8 and more power coming.

For me a tyre 2/3 the price is probably going to be a bonus.

I have done very little off road driving and the just legal 31" AT's i have atm dont inspire confidence so in regards to what I want out of a off road tyre, I dont know.

Add to that every man and his dog has a different opinion about tyres means as usual i have to find out for myself.

if the cost of the tyres is so important.. and you're going to 35's, you'll be eating any cost saving pretty quickly with your higher fuel consumption from running 35's... if that makes any sense.. so if you're tight on $$ it might be worth sticking with 31's.

Do 35's really increase fuel consumption that much? Mud type tread might increase the rolling resistance but the larger diameter tyre would reduce the rolling resistance and also lower my gearing giving me lower revs cruising.

Anyway price of fuel isnt important because my patrol is on gas

I want 35's so i can drive over stuff in the bush. I just want some cheap ones!!

Im also happy enough paying $310-$340 a tyre if its worth the extra $100 x 4 . I guess this is what im trying to work out.

juls wrote:Do 35's really increase fuel consumption that much?

Yes.
The larger diameter does reduce rolling resistance if your are pushing the vehicle because the energy transfer is from the outside of the tyres inwards to the axle. The engine driving the vehicle is the opposite effect. It takes alot more effort to turn the larger rims from the axle.
I think on my diesel 60 series fuel consumption increased about 20% going from 33's to 35's. And on my Auto petty Patrol it increased about 30% going from 31's to 35's. In saying that i am not a fuel conservative driver either. but they are realistic figures for you to keep in mind.
Cheers Dan

35s also reduce braking, increase stress on other components, are illegal if not engineered etc.

Also if you do not compensate by altering gearing, you motor is now outside where it was designed to operate at when driving, making it labour more and chew more fuel and increasing wear rate. Also your crawl ratio will increase, making offroad ability worse.

Layto....

Yer fair enough, i guess there is a fair bit of weight and flex in a 35" tyre over a 33 or 31..

Anyway I have plenty of power and prob get a higher diff set with a lsd soon so it shouldnt be a problem.

also the cheaper tires (square shouldered) will track all over the road making driving a bit unpleasant. you are better off getting a second hand $500 set of 35's and a set of 31's or 32's in a A/T pattern for road use as it will work out far more economical in the end.

If you go offroad heaps just get 35's they are handy as.

Your patrol should already have a lsd in the back. Just need new ratio gears. Can get them off ebay fairly cheap.

If you dont go offroad much then get a set of 31's too cruise around on then get some 35 simexs or swampers or whatever for offroad.

I ran 37 boggers with 4.1 gears for a while. Was not to bad, a lower ratio would of been nice for going over bumpy rocks and other slow crap.

With the TV show we are sponsored by a number of tyre companies including BFG and Nankang...we also do a lot of driving.

We are still amazed when people continually say "oh imo stick with the big dollar deal because you get what you pay for".

First of all...we fully know the limitations of current BFGs...but as an example...the 35 BFGs on our GU (with 17 inch rims) are around $500 each. The 35 Nankangs on our 80 are a squeeze over $200.

Without exception the cheap crappy Taiwanese Nankangs out perform the BFGs in every respect...wear, traction, on and off road handling, in the wet, etc.

The customer service manager from Lightforce now drives on Nankangs. He is just back from a trip across tassie, has done 8,000kms and swears by them. We got 6 for a mate who was doing 6 weeks through the Simpson...he was the only one on the trip that didn't get a flat...not a single tyre problem...and after 40,000kms he still has the two brand new ones.

We have advised many of our friends and associates to run the nankangs and not one has been disatisfied.

High void tyres wear faster of course but if you want a decent set of tyres at a great price...go the Nankangs.

juls wrote:Yer fair enough, i guess there is a fair bit of weight and flex in a 35" tyre over a 33 or 31..

Anyway I have plenty of power and prob get a higher diff set with a lsd soon so it shouldnt be a problem.

You want lower gearing not higher gearing. Also don't go thinking that lower your diffs will help the fuel economy and power back to normal levels. It's not the overall drive ratio that causes the problems its the ratio between the driveaxle and the driven friction surface.
eg; My 60 series has 4.88 ratio diffs. With 35's this makes the overall gearing almost the same as it was with 31's and 4.1 gears. That's fine, the engine works in it's peak range. However, it still takes extra effort for the engine to move the car because the axle is the same diameter on the driven end but far greater on the drive end. I hope that makes sense. I'm sure someone will post some maths for me, i haven't the inclination to think about it right now.
Cheers, Dan
Oh by the way, i'm not trying to turn you off 35's, i just don't want you to think to can bung them on with little or no effect.

Im just going by the fact a V8 commodore will sit on like 1800rpm at 100kmh so Im assuming this is within the efficiency range. Im not overly worried however with a 4spd it revs too high at 100kmh anyway. I think I calculated with 31's and 4.1 its about 2600 or 2800 (no tach atm). But youre right, no gain will be noticed.

I meant a higher number ratio or or lower gear ratio. Sorry that wasnt clear.

I like what Mudtoy has said.. exactly what i want to hear, now where to find nankangs 315 16's for less than $235??

Consider the extra weight of you pootrol, as well as the aerodynamics of a brick, and the extra effort needed to turn 35's over teh normal commonwhore chaser rims.

Layto....