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seriously thinkin about buyin an 84 toyota pick up(hilux i think) with the 22r engine. states that it needs a tranny.. not sure if current one can be rebuilt or what. looking into it. how difficult would it be to add an ifs box and do the crossover steer mod? and just how bullet proof are these 22r??? how strong is the running gear?

Your looking at a Toywhata? If you want gutsy, bullet proof and robust dont waste your time. Go the bigger motor and a car that needs less mods, have a look at the JEEP range of the same of the same age.

a toyota pick up, i asume u refer to a hilux ute. don't rebuild the 22r replace it with a buik v6 or chev v6. 22rs are underpowered for seriius offroad work. A hilux is a great bang for you buck truck very easy to get capable and to mod. plus u can put stuff in the tray, can't do that in a wrangler.
I'f u were to put a new engine in. i would imagine if u got the right adapters it wouldn't be hard to bolt a late model GB in. as for the other stuff i dunno.

Chev is the beter option. Never the less this is a 4x4 forum not a poofy arse bling-bling column. If you need mod's to go off road theres something wrong four wheel drives were made for a reason, look around.

not interested in any g.h.e.y jeeps, or dropping in any type of v6. the 22r will push it along just fine. whole reason behind wanting to buy a small ute is to keep it small and very light for awesome trailwork.

oh, and im not looking at any CAR... i want a truck.

only people who own toyota utes need to respond.

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picture of possible future truck

How to do awesome trailwork with a poxy gutsy 22R

A large capacity diesel engine will half your fuel bills and give you heaps of torque. Then you'll have your awesome trailwork.

I'm with gotoy, look at a diesel engine. I'd probably stick to a smaller Toyota diesel though like the 2.8 (3L). This keeps it reasonably stright forward and gives you a better torque at lower revs. Idon't know about in the US, but here in Australia allot of 2nd hand hilux engines are sold with gearboxes from the donar car.

My father is rebuilding a lux, and he's seriously considering crossover stearing aswell; as i believe your then good to remove that bloody 'torqe bar' on the front diff. As for running gear strength, its good, but not bulletproof, and if you drive it offroad like you stole it, then you'll likely do something a damage.

Also Scorpion, if you havn't realised mate this is the Toyota section of outerlimits, with comments like that youre likely to get nailed to a pole.

i dont think there are any deisel hiluxs here in the states, so that is most likely not an option.... the 22r will have to do, lol. passing up the mentioned truck though, needs too much work and the dude is askintoo much $$$ for it. man its crazy, the early 80's solid axle yotas are such high demand that pos are being sold for high prices. its pathetic.

u could posibly import one from australia cheeper than u could buy one over there. as they are cheap and comon here. plus with the american doller being worth more than aus doller.
depends on how much u wana spend realy, but the 2.8 is a better motor than the 22r.

I do own a toyota ute by the way, but it's a landcruiser 75

hmmm known 2.. now THAT woudl be mad cool... except for the fact that the driver side would be on the wrong side. bloody aussies.

how much does a 2.8 diesel toy hilux, lifted, looks decent would cost on average??

keep the 22r and put efi on it. in the states the hilux came out with efi and a turbo, the engine was a 22re for efi and 22ret four a turbo model witch was not available in aust.

I've seen early 90's hilux single cabs with lockers lift and turbo's for aound $10,000. add years and take away mods they get cheaper.

sim wrote:keep the 22r and put efi on it. in the states the hilux came out with efi and a turbo, the engine was a 22re for efi and 22ret four a turbo model witch was not available in aust.

yeah, theres quite a few 22re's around here, and the 22r is pretty easily convertable to the 22re from what i understand. the 22r can fit a weber carb, so thats not all too bad.

the 22ret is rare as shit, and people charge up the kazoo for a hilux with the 22ret, regardless of the shape the truck is in.

If its at a good price buy it.(how much are they asking) Your not going to have any problems with the power of a 22R. Your rarely going to find something you cant drive with the 22R that you could if you fitted a V6. They are a reliable engine. The Hilux pictured is a short bed one which is the best to start with as once you get to the stage of modding suspension you end up with a good wheelbase length. We never got that wheelbase hilux in that model. Second hand parts for that model will be everywhere over there except for front axle components although there are lots of aftermarket alternatives for these parts. Have a look on this site- www.trail-gear.com they will have everything you need plus some. First mod to do is to call bobby at - www.longfieldsuperaxles.com and orderr a set of 30 spline birfs and axles. These should last you the lifetime of the truck no matter how hard you drive it. Stock Birfs and axles wont last long at all.

Before you buy it check the frame very carefully as they are very prone to rusting out over there. Mainly check around the crossmember at the back of the cab especially where the gas tank mounts to this crossmember. If its rusted out beyond repair you will struggle to find a replacement from to suit the leaf sprung front end. Also lift the carpet in the 2 front corners of the footwell under the dash as this is where the cab will usually start to rust first, also in the very back corners of the engine bay.

Other than that there realy is no better rig to modify as a trail rig. There cheap, the parts are cheap, the mods are cheap, and there are litterally hundreds of aftermarket suppliers competing for your business which means the price of custom parts will always remain cheap.

The crossover steering kit is a simple job and TG will be able to supply everything you need.
The running gear is plenty strong enough if treated right except for the Birfs which if treated right will also handle a lot more than your current ride.
The 2 common problems a 22R suffer from is loose timing chains caused by the factory plastic timming guide breaking. There are aftermarket steel replacements available. And blown headgaskits. Other than that its not uncommon to get 500-750 thousand Ks out of these motors if looked after.

The Tranny as long as its manual will not be hard to find a replacement and if its Auto then get a complete manual conversion to replace it.

If sure if you started posting on Pirate you will find some locals in your arera more than willing to help convert you into a Toyota

As long as its not rusty you will not regret buying a Mini Truck. I guarentee there are more capable Mini Trucks running around the trails of the US and Canada then there are Capable Jeeps(did they ever make a jeep that could be capable )

well guys, i crossed over to the dark side....

bought an 85 toyota hilux long bed. has a few quirks, but i got it for 2k(cheap compared to everything else on the market). previous owner stated it had the stock 4.11 gears. took it out for spin as its running 32's and it felt like it had no guts whatsoever. do i need to change my gearing? guy threw in an extra transfercase(dualies! woo hoo!), truck already has 3.5" suspension lift, so all i need to do is throw on a body lift, and some shackles, bigger tires, and call it good. carb is a weber(needs some adjustments). ruff, thx for the link. i'll check it out for sure and start planning.

i'll post pictures tomorrow.

don't lift it to high, theres a reason we nicknamed them rollux's over here.
It's worth finding an efi head for the motor if ur serius about trail work cos your carb will allways let u down on angles. or put it on lpg.

it feels like it has no guts cos it dosn't. nothing will change that from that motor.

SimplyPV wrote:took it out for spin as its running 32's and it felt like it had no guts whatsoever. do i need to change my gearing?

When Toyota was going over the checklist of what was needed to build them, they forgot to check the box that said power.

Yeah piss the 22r off i don't have a petrol one but have driven a few and there Grimace look at maybe a 3rz-fe PM willy hilux about it as i know he has one in his also bubs has one in his think there like double the torque of the 22r. they come out in the 2wd around the 99 yr model mark

i would honestly rather not do an engine swap. i dont want to mess with the $$ for a new engine, wire harness, new transfercase, new tranny, new mounts, etc etc etc. im not too sure about the efi as well. how difficult would it be to convert it over to efi? does it produce any extra horses? if not, then at what angles does the carb start to fail?

im seriously considering stripping the engine down, honing it, put in a different cam, valve job, and put it all back together. trying to keep it simple here, efi has the potential to complicate that, lol.... i doubt i'd be able to find a turbo off of a donor 22ret...

congrats on buying the hilux ute, looks quite tough, but as for doing up a 22r, we have a saying here, "ya can't polish a turd", but check the wreckers around your area for 22ret, the turbo should really get this this truck moving

depending on what carb it is. it will let u down on either side angles or verticle angles all carbs have there limit. running on lpg solves this problem though.

efi will give u a power gain and your engine will be able to run allmost upside down, plus making it more reliable.

even with crawler gears u r realy guna be left wanting with a 22r. turbo;ing might solve that though.

The 22R is a great engine and with EFI will do everything you want. There are a lot of Off the Shelf improvements available for them in the US. Dont listen to all these Clowns that are trying to tell you any different. A V6 isnt worth the effort for what you want to do.

known 2 wrote: running on lpg solves this problem though.

efi will give u a power gain and your engine will be able to run allmost upside down, plus making it more reliable.

even with crawler gears u r realy guna be left wanting with a 22r. turbo;ing might solve that though.

LPG is not commonly available in the US. Actually LPG is not available in the US as far as im aware however they do have Propane. This is a great option if you dont want to stuff around with EFI.

Even though this is my site i would have to advise you to start asking some questions on Pirate. At least there you will get the answers on the 22R that your looking for.

I had a 22R Dual Cab Hilux running EFI,Dual cases,4.88 gears and 38/16.5 Mickey Thompsons and never wanted for more power when trail driving.

forgot to say a few things in your 1st post there hey Ruff.

I wasn't aware there was no lpg in the usa, so my mistake.

I'm no clown but i just don't think a 75kw motor is good for a truck spinning 35's even with crawler gears. fine for crawling along but HP helps.

But yeh do what ruff said check out pirate4x4 or ih8mud.
i'll say no more at risk of copping a flaming.

The Fact is he isnt looking for a rig that will do 60MPH down the highway and blow away a VW Jeda. He is looking for a rig that can be trail driven in low range and give him minimal problems. The 22R will have no problem doing this.

RUFF wrote:The Fact is he isnt looking for a rig that will do 60MPH down the highway and blow away a VW Jeda. He is looking for a rig that can be trail driven in low range and give him minimal problems. The 22R will have no problem doing this.

umm.... in all honesty, its both, minus the jetta...

i know it'll get up to speed... jus takes a little too long for my likeing,

im seriously considering staying with the 32's for now, throw on some small shackles and body lift, go up to 33's when the 32's wear out, and throw in some 5.29 gears.

as much as i hate pirate, im thinking the time is coming to start browsing that forum. ugh, i dont need yet ANOTHER forum to read on a daily basis, lol.

ruff, can you comment on the efi for me please? how hard would it be to get an efi head and swap it over? and possibily a turbo? would that be of any help as well?

maybe so. but define trail driving, what is that, is it rock crawling?? or slowly crawling along through huge ruts. Someone tell me cos i don't realy know.
But wait a sec what if it includes mud, deep soft clagy mud or even sand????

I see your point ruff, but there are some things crawler gears and big tyres canot conquer without power.

and yeh there is alot of arguing on this site so often u end up leaving more confused than when u got here. It realy just turns into everyone (me to) trying to get there point accros to each other rather than helping the person who originaly asked the question

Ruff, i dont think these guys have any idea the amount of power some of the us companies are actually getting out of the old toy 4 banger.

Petersons (i think) did a build of a "mild motor for offroading" and it had 350 horses and i'm sure they had complete motors off the shelf making much more (around 500 from memory).

if ya want to keep it, there are plenty of go fast bits available in your land (not like here) if ya feel more power is needed.

hey tazz, could you by any chance point me in the right direction in regards to what your talking about??

this is pathetic, i seriously think there's something wrong on top of the lack of power from the stock 22r. my feroza has more ooomph taking off than the hilux does, go the 1.6!