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Building a tube bar. What size plate for winch mount?

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:41 pm
by ausyota
I am going to be building a tube bar soon to mount my high mount winch in the front of my Lux.
I was thinking of building something like a Cheezy bar with the plate winch mount in the middle with the bar work coming off that.
I allways build things in overkill mode and make everything too heavy :D I was just wondering what sort of thickness plate I should use for the winch mount?
For the pipe I was thinking 40NB with a bit of 32NB.
I will be cutting the grill and mounting the winch in as tight in as possible to try and not completely kill my aproach angle.
Cheers
Paul.

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:55 pm
by bru21
thick plate sucks. heaps of guys put 10kg of plate that does essentially nothing on to what would otherwise be a light bar. use tube and 2 strips of 50x5mm flat bar to place the winch bolts through. using 5mm plate to attach the tube to the chassis works well as this is the direction plate does provide strength. a small plate or tube gusset is all that is then needed for side pulls. bars like cheezy's and arb are ok in that they use plate that is not of excessive thickness. bars like arb's get their strength from complex folds which are too difficult for home jobs!

that said the warn manual has a folding recommendation and gauge (6mm from memory) for a plate only mount.

cheers bru

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:00 am
by ausyota
Yeah I was thinking 6mm probably.
Maybe I will use more pipe and less plate Im still in the brainstorming phaze at the moment :)

On a side note does anyone know where I can get a decent priced ally hause fairlead from?
The cheapest I have found is Marks4x4 but they still want over a hundred bucks. Seems a lot for a chunk of ally and a couple of minutes in a milling machine.

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:22 am
by bru21
I made my fairlead out of 180 degree bends and 2 bits of tube. I used 48mm od. the bigger the radius the kinder on the rope. cost about $14 all up. you can use steel as long as its smooth

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:49 am
by Bad JuJu
A chunk of machine grade alloy 300x120x25 will probably cost $80, so $20somthing for machining is cheap.

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:53 am
by +dj_hansen+
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/WINCH-HAWSE-Fair ... dZViewItem

$59 plus postage..... surely you could make your own as suggested by bru21 or buy chasing up some plate yourself and spending some quality time with the drill press :D

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:55 am
by dank
http://winchline.com/mcart/index.cgi?ID ... 17&code=13

I got mine from here but didn't have to pay postage as i had a mate over there. but easily into the country for under 100 bucks. Its a nice piece of gear too...

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:14 am
by Mud_Muncher
http://winchline.com/mcart/index.cgi?ID ... 17&code=13

I got mine from here but didn't have to pay postage as i had a mate over there. but easily into the country for under 100 bucks. Its a nice piece of gear too...
I didn't get your Hawse from here I got it from here.

roadlessgear.com

They are not advertised on the website but if you ask nicely will sell you one for 35USD. They are really good to deal with. Shipping cost is the only problem when buying one.

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:23 pm
by guzzla
I used 12mm angle 150x150 to mount the winch as it reguired the least amount of fabrication. Its complete overkill but it sure aint going nowhere in a hurry.

I will be doing another bar in the near future and will spend the extra time bending 5mm plate or using only tube as mentioned above.

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:32 pm
by ausyota
Mud_Muncher wrote:
http://winchline.com/mcart/index.cgi?ID ... 17&code=13

I got mine from here but didn't have to pay postage as i had a mate over there. but easily into the country for under 100 bucks. Its a nice piece of gear too...
I didn't get your Hawse from here I got it from here.

roadlessgear.com

They are not advertised on the website but if you ask nicely will sell you one for 35USD. They are really good to deal with. Shipping cost is the only problem when buying one.
Yeah I have bought some zook stuff off figmo from roadless and yes they were very good to deal with.
I was actually thinking of getting the plasma rope off them so that will work out good I reckon :armsup: .

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:31 pm
by sierrajim
ausyota wrote:Yeah I was thinking 6mm probably.
Maybe I will use more pipe and less plate Im still in the brainstorming phaze at the moment :)

On a side note does anyone know where I can get a decent priced ally hause fairlead from?
The cheapest I have found is Marks4x4 but they still want over a hundred bucks. Seems a lot for a chunk of ally and a couple of minutes in a milling machine.
Marks 4WD Adaptors, supporters of Ozrock :armsup:

http://www.marks4wd.com/products/access ... irlead.htm

I have one of these myself.

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:20 pm
by MART
Don't buy a ally one , get a cast iron one as the ally one flog out to quick , ARB sell them $90 dollars , Cheers Paul.

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:29 pm
by ausyota
MART wrote:Don't buy a ally one , get a cast iron one as the ally one flog out to quick , ARB sell them $90 dollars , Cheers Paul.
I have a cast iron one allready but have been told ally (or stainless) is the go for plasma rope.
I was wondering how I would go filing the cast one to try and get a nice smooth surface.

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:58 pm
by AOS355
get a piece of alloy of the size and thickness you want to make the fairlead, alloy is soft enough to use a router on it, just gotta be careful and go slow, use lots of lube, like crc or similar, ive made a couple of them already with no probs, just gotta buy the piece of alloy.

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:15 pm
by GRINCH
AOS355 wrote:get a piece of alloy of the size and thickness you want to make the fairlead, alloy is soft enough to use a router on it, just gotta be careful and go slow, use lots of lube, like crc or similar, ive made a couple of them already with no probs, just gotta buy the piece of alloy.
i wouldnt like to be hanging on to that router. when you think about it the router bit will cost at least $40 for one that wont shatter when it hits something hard and wont do more then a couple before its stuffed, so it would be cheaper to just buy one.

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:31 pm
by PJ.zook
Ya gotta use someone elses router is the key hehe. I got a shop to cut 2 keyways into some toolsteel bar for me, charged me like $20 and he bluntened his bit somewhat. Offered more but he wouldnt take.

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:18 pm
by krf_bb
5mm plate reanforced would be sufficient