Outer Limits 4x4 Board

G'day all,
Was wondering if anyone out there can help me with double motoring my high mount?
Any pics, details or people to speak too about it would be good.

Cheers,

Steve.

i can't help you but http://www.traxion.co.nz/product/spec/specSuperDuty.pdf have some pretty cool looking 7.8HP electric motors for sale that bolt on to the warn winches.....

There was a big thread on here somewhere with a number of different designs. Two that I know of are the Gigglepin 2 motors in parelle and the Ontrack 4x4 series design. From what I have heard the series desgin has proven to be pretty reliable. Heard some mixed reports about the Gigglepin design. But like the Ontrack setup, it may have been early R&D problems.

These guys are poms, but theres a couple in Aust. Pretty sure Mike Smith's rangie has this setup.
http://www.gigglepin4x4.net/8274/mainshaft.htm

Ontrack in East Kielor Melb has a setup, but they dont have pics on there website. But it has the motors in series. Theres atleast 3 cars running this setup. That has proved to be reliable. Teams I know running it are Shreq (turbo 4.8 off OL, Birdy and GQHOON (GQPETE off OL).
http://www.ontrack4x4.net.au/default.htm

Wayne Smith sells the twin motor housings.

Thats Smithy jnr on here or PM for details

These look good but is anyone running a duel gearbox and motor setup and have they got any pros and cons except for the free spool?

Modified Toy wrote:These look good but is anyone running a duel gearbox and motor setup and have they got any pros and cons except for the free spool?

All the ones I have seen have rattled themselves to death. There OBC cars though. Not sure why they failed. I would have thought they would have been easier to make stronger. Cant remember if those that I have seen fail had tie rods or not though.

Gigglepin set up looks very nice. lots of pommy pounds though. ouch.

The main problem i can see with running two gearbox's is weight. i've carried my high mount when fitting and it dam near klled me. As for two of them running on one drum. Would you really want that much wieght hanging out front.

AFeral wrote: Would you really want that much wieght hanging out front.

gettin to the finish gate winching faster than anyone else outweights the weight factor i reckon.

Good point Daisy

There is always mid mount winch too. which would give the best of both worlds.

PGS may reply to this anyway, but they run a dual gear box set up on thier Zook, seems to work pretty good from what I saw at Cliffhanger.

i have a double gearbox air free spool hi mount, just dont have any pics sorry

i run in line two winch motors, 2 years of abuse in all comps from ateco, alpine, etc. still the same motors strip regulary to check for wear etc but all good. still like new inside. need heaps of juice to run 2 motors though.

giantracing wrote:i have a double gearbox air free spool hi mount, just dont have any pics sorry

air free spool but does not disconnect the gearbox ? and are the 12v motors on 24v to run it?

yes it does disconnect gearboxs only the drum turns. 6 hp motors on 24 v

gqpete wrote:i run in line two winch motors, 2 years of abuse in all comps from ateco, alpine, etc. still the same motors strip regulary to check for wear etc but all good. still like new inside. need heaps of juice to run 2 motors though.

that sounds so cool i wish i had 1, thats a great run from the same motors

motors arnt a problem for me either. half the load because got extra gearbox

giantracing wrote:yes it does disconnect gearboxs only the drum turns. 6 hp motors on 24 v

would be an interesting thing to see sound like you put a bit of work into it...

shit yes. 2 weeks on the lath working it out. it was tricky to work out.never had a problem with it so far. always pull appart and service after every event

ads80 wrote:

gqpete wrote:i run in line two winch motors, 2 years of abuse in all comps from ateco, alpine, etc. still the same motors strip regulary to check for wear etc but all good. still like new inside. need heaps of juice to run 2 motors though.

that sounds so cool i wish i had 1, thats a great run from the same motors

apart from burning out andrews 2 motors cause hooked up new solonoids wrong. put old trustys back on and fixed solonoids and all good.

I saw gqpetes car winching up a hill at alpine 06 and there was a big rock half way up, the winch pulled that hard it nearly pulled the rear wheels off the ground. And it didnt slow down one bit. Other cars up the same hill struggled when they hit the same rock and it nearly stopped their winches.

Are most people running an upgraded brake shaft?

made my own brake sharfts out of hi tuff material. cut my owm gears to

giantracing wrote:made my own brake sharfts out of hi tuff material. cut my owm gears to

Is there any thing you dident do...

gqpete wrote:

ads80 wrote:

gqpete wrote:i run in line two winch motors, 2 years of abuse in all comps from ateco, alpine, etc. still the same motors strip regulary to check for wear etc but all good. still like new inside. need heaps of juice to run 2 motors though.

that sounds so cool i wish i had 1, thats a great run from the same motors

apart from burning out andrews 2 motors cause hooked up new solonoids wrong. put old trustys back on and fixed solonoids and all good.

hooked up solonoids wrong or dodgey switch? have seen lots os solonoids fail due to dodgey switches, have heard of some solonoid packs just turning on by themselves????

ads80 wrote:

gqpete wrote:

ads80 wrote:

gqpete wrote:i run in line two winch motors, 2 years of abuse in all comps from ateco, alpine, etc. still the same motors strip regulary to check for wear etc but all good. still like new inside. need heaps of juice to run 2 motors though.

that sounds so cool i wish i had 1, thats a great run from the same motors

apart from burning out andrews 2 motors cause hooked up new solonoids wrong. put old trustys back on and fixed solonoids and all good.

hooked up solonoids wrong or dodgey switch? have seen lots os solonoids fail due to dodgey switches, have heard of some solonoid packs just turning on by themselves????

have also heard of a certain solonoid doing this, ouch.
i wired 12v switching into 24v switching solonoids and it didnt like it. bloody no info on the solonoid to say if it was 12 or 24. 2 motors running flat out until they self destructed.

Thanks Heaps fella's for the replys!
I was looking a Birdys rig and noticed the 2 gearboxes and 2 motors, is he running 24v?
I have a 8274 and i have another older one, how hard is it to do the mods to the second gearbox to get it to work?
Or can i send them both to someone to get it done?
I like the Gigglepin jobbie thats looks tough!
I would have got back to you all earlier but me and the missus were racing this weekend at Mud,Dust & Music, she got first in standard class and i got 11th in open Farkin car yards!

Steve.

gqpete wrote:i run in line two winch motors, 2 years of abuse in all comps from ateco, alpine, etc. still the same motors strip regulary to check for wear etc but all good. still like new inside. need heaps of juice to run 2 motors though.

How does the 'in line' thing work?
Are the 2 motors butted up against the back of each other?

Geez im full of questions!

Steve.

90pickup wrote:Wayne Smith sells the twin motor housings.

Yep got a PM from him with his number, so iwill give him a ring!
Still would like as much info on the set-ups to only spend my money once if you know what i mean!

Steve.

giantracing wrote:yes it does disconnect gearboxs only the drum turns. 6 hp motors on 24 v

So does that Mean you are disconecting the gear from the end of the drum or are you disconecting another gear from in side the gearbox and with two gearboxs you are only running one brakeshaft right? or have you cut the ecentric piece in the opposite direction so that both shafts work?