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Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:44 pm**

Im thinking about another zook ,

And would like to put the idea across to you guys so we can argue and call each other names ect

First where i have been with zooks ,
NT SWB 1ltr 31s no lift.
NT LWB 1.3 31s
NT SWB spoa 35s
WT SWB 32s spua s1 -- spoa 35s Ran this car in low rider and up there form getting a good idea what was good and what was bad from each setup

92 sierra on 86 Range Rover chassis 3.8 v6 th700 lt230 transfer 35s.

OK
so
New one and i will need some help in spring choices please as i suck
at flex

Looking towards full rego engineered.

I love tire size and i love low so thought are A long wheel base chassis
I will remove all Engine and body mounts from the chassis and move them rearward about 5"or more leaving steering box foward. body cut down to a tray top , radiator on rear , s4 gears , 60 series toy diffs
spua this is where you guys come in please ?

Im not to bad at the guard butcher thing , and i will be running 40seriers front guards and they will be mounted probably an inch or so higher then the bonnet there gunna cover 40s with only around 4" ov up travel .

I figure this is a pretty simple build , only maybe variations
Im looking at super carry 1.3s they are built like an old valiant slant 6 about 30 deg slant thinking weight down even lower depends on bell-housing orientation .

Diff choice is i have them

Any thoughts Welcome !

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:46 pm**

Late model IFS Hilux coilover coils.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2007 12:14 pm**

LWB chassis with Short wheelbase hard top turned into a extra cab setup with tray. Virtual lift cut guards too the max at the front

Rover 3.5 V8 - Series 4 rockhoppers
80 series diffs for sale in for sale section.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2007 8:56 pm**

sierrajim wrote:Late model IFS Hilux coilover coils.

Thought about coils,but would rather leafs

Im thinking Ruf , unless there is a better choice for the front ?

going to do a pinned goofy on the rear , but some thoughts on what spring to start with , lux fronts on rear or just zook rears

mud-pigsierra wrote:MUD-PIGSIERRA
Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 12:14 pm

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LWB chassis with Short wheelbase hard top turned into a extra cab setup with tray. Virtual lift cut guards too the max at the front

Rover 3.5 V8 - Series 4 rockhoppers
80 series diffs for sale in for sale section.

The fun for me is the work ,

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2007 6:15 pm**

Larry your last few zooks were

this one sounds like it will be the best yet!
Nik

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2007 8:01 pm**

Hey, I really like the sound of this.

Larry, you might be making he build a bit harder than necessary though.

Greg's friends car

and the white zook I posted on the wt vs nt thread run 35's or more with body mounts in the stock position. Greg's car has had the firewall pulled back 65mm in the outside corners. Michaels has just had a trim and plate up job. springs are RUF and the cars are heavily bumpstopped, a limitation imposed by headlight clearance. (you might be able to get around this)

Also, I think you might want more wheelbase than a stock LWB to get the most out of the 40's.

My idea might be to run a fairly long chassis extension to get the relationship between firewall and tyre correct. This will set the motor back well behind the front axle and should really improve balance.

As for springs, if you have a long extension, you can run a nice long spring.... but those 40's and heavy diffs, IMHO a 60mm wide spring would be required, I think sierra springs will get pretzled by the loads.

I think the longest (sensible) springs with large arch would be aftermarket 60 series rears. These should allow plenty of travel.

A small point though - I think 4" of compression travel might be a bit optimistic. The cars I have built run 2" or less of compression and, in the case of Greg's friends car, his 35's run to within about 2.5" of the bonnet articulated, with OME RUF, and around 1" of compression when loaded.

Personanly, I would run NT spring spacing and limit compression heavily or you might find you are well past the bonnet or you will struggle to get enough height with the SPUA.

I like the carry motor idea

Have you looked at the gearing of the carry manual? I bet it has more than the sierra's 3.65 first gear.

Steve.

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2007 9:52 pm**

NIK wrote:Larry your last few zooks were this one sounds like it will be the best yet!
Nik

Ha you , i like it better when you abuse me !

Good to see your steerings sorted !

Gwagensteve wrote: Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:01 pm

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Hey, I really like the sound of this.

Larry, you might be making he build a bit harder than necessary though.

Greg's friends car and the white zook I posted on the wt vs nt thread run 35's or more with body mounts in the stock position. Greg's car has had the firewall pulled back 65mm in the outside corners. Michaels has just had a trim and plate up job. springs are RUF and the cars are heavily bumpstopped, a limitation imposed by headlight clearance. (you might be able to get around this)

Also, I think you might want more wheelbase than a stock LWB to get the most out of the 40's.

My idea might be to run a fairly long chassis extension to get the relationship between firewall and tyre correct. This will set the motor back well behind the front axle and should really improve balance.

As for springs, if you have a long extension, you can run a nice long spring.... but those 40's and heavy diffs, IMHO a 60mm wide spring would be required, I think sierra springs will get pretzled by the loads.

I think the longest (sensible) springs with large arch would be aftermarket 60 series rears. These should allow plenty of travel.

A small point though - I think 4" of compression travel might be a bit optimistic. The cars I have built run 2" or less of compression and, in the case of Greg's friends car, his 35's run to within about 2.5" of the bonnet articulated, with OME RUF, and around 1" of compression when loaded.

Personanly, I would run NT spring spacing and limit compression heavily or you might find you are well past the bonnet or you will struggle to get enough height with the SPUA.

I like the carry motor idea Have you looked at the gearing of the carry manual? I bet it has more than the sierra's 3.65 first gear.

Steve.

Im thinking your right steve with the front , might just chop the footwells back
to the front body mount , and extend the front rails . i'll be playing around there with the steering box hoping to use the 60 P/S .
Main thing i don,t want is an entry angle when its running the big tires
be ok if the front hangs out with 33s 35s ,

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2007 9:52 pm**

wtf 40" tyres on a zook. I stood some 44 besides mine and they are massive. come up to the bonnet.

see

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2007 10:33 pm**

Looks outrages ha mmmmm and where are these tire now ?

Been quiet a few done , im just hoping to have the lowest one

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2007 10:56 pm**

where are these tyres? il squeeze them under my trol

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2007 12:26 am**

Run lux rears in the rear and lux rears in the front

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2007 7:37 am**

SAWZALL wrote:Run lux rears in the rear and lux rears in the front

Could be wrong, but I think 60 rears have more arch and are longer- should be more suitable for a SPUA application.

Steve.

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2007 8:05 am**

built4thrashing wrote:wtf 40" tyres on a zook. I stood some 44 besides mine and they are massive. come up to the bonnet.

see

& here,s with 40,s !!!!!!

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2007 2:10 pm**

http://www.izook.com/features/insane/insane.htm

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2007 2:34 pm**

HaHa that thing is rad

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2007 4:42 pm**

Gwagensteve wrote:
SAWZALL wrote:Run lux rears in the rear and lux rears in the front
Could be wrong, but I think 60 rears have more arch and are longer- should be more suitable for a SPUA application.

Steve.

60 series spring under a suzuki

wouldnt the leaves be a little thick?

hilux rears upfront (better approach then hilux front) and with the overloads out of it they are quite a soft pack

dihatsu feroza narrow track springs in the rear very soft flexy springs

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2007 4:43 pm**

built4thrashing wrote:wtf 40" tyres on a zook. I stood some 44 besides mine and they are massive. come up to the bonnet.

see

and the coolest zuk out there

it actually has the 44's mounted

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2007 4:57 pm**

yeah one of my favourites, would love something like that just in a soft top

Posted: **Fri May 04, 2007 7:58 pm**

Agreed. That was one of the best rigs Ive seen built on here.

Posted: **Sat May 05, 2007 3:11 pm**

Some great ideas

So the hilux rear in the front how do they achieve better appoach Tim ?

The feroza NT for the rear , are they fronts or rears from the froza ?

This is the beauty of a thread like this There is a world of experience within the zook section of OL ,

It will end up a crossbred mexican-cockroach

So far I have a guy wanting to rid his yard of a complete 60 series
even has some bits i can flog of Holden v8 conversion
body is cactus ,but diffs,tail shafts and steering

Have found a long wheelbase 1.3 NT , had a hit in the front right corner
but rails are straight to the eye , no running gear , or front clip.
negotiating a price

At least i wouldn,t be butchering a a Good one I think there getting a bit rarer now days .

I more major hurdle before i can really start , and requires the upmost crucial timing , an enormous amount of intestinal fortitude ,
and above all a pre planed escape route . Telling the missus

Posted: **Sat May 05, 2007 4:27 pm**

Hilux rears have an offset eye.

You say you want to engineer it. Are you in NSW or QLD?

Posted: **Sat May 05, 2007 4:56 pm**

Dozoor wrote:Some great ideas

So the hilux rear in the front how do they achieve better appoach Tim ?

The feroza NT for the rear , are they fronts or rears from the froza ?

This is the beauty of a thread like this There is a world of experience within the zook section of OL ,

It will end up a crossbred mexican-cockroach

So far I have a guy wanting to rid his yard of a complete 60 series
Freebie even has some bits i can flog of Holden v8 conversion
body is cactus ,but diffs,tail shafts and steering

Have found a long wheelbase 1.3 NT , had a hit in the front right corner
but rails are straight to the eye , no running gear , or front clip.
negotiating a price

At least i wouldn,t be butchering a a Good one I think there getting a bit rarer now days .

I more major hurdle before i can really start , and requires the upmost crucial timing , an enormous amount of intestinal fortitude ,
and above all a pre planed escape route . Telling the missus

ferozas are IFS
so i meant the rear leaf springs

hilux rear are offset

20" to the front and 26" to the rear if i rember correct
so you will have the same approach if you put zuk rears upfront pretty sure they are 40"long 20" front half 20" rear

havent looked into leaf springs for a while that just what i rember

i have posted the measurements b4 but i cant be farked searching

Posted: **Sat May 05, 2007 5:15 pm**

sierrajim wrote:Hilux rears have an offset eye.

You say you want to engineer it. Are you in NSW or QLD?

NSW

Poor queenslanders have to get there seat covers blue plated .

Thanks tim , sounds good .

Posted: **Sun May 06, 2007 4:32 pm**

sounds good larry, cant wait to see some pics of the build up!

what happened to the zuki rover?

Posted: **Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:54 pm**

PAZZ wrote:sounds good larry, cant wait to see some pics of the build up!

what happened to the zuki rover?

Gone to queensland , i think it plays winch challenge up there somwhere

so had a exelllent score the other day for this , guy at work knows im looking for bits and says i got some sporty seats if you want them , i said whats the damage , , Oh how about a carton , cool
didn,t expect them to be to good but there in perfect nick

and
small across the base if i don,t use them in this there perfect for a buggy .

Posted: **Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:05 am**

go the whole hog make it 4 wheel steer yes you can get them passed as there was a landy running around newy that was passed it was cool in the bush till he rolled it

then it went to the dump i'll see if i can fined some photo's of it to post

Posted: **Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:24 am**

boner59 wrote:go the whole hog make it 4 wheel steer yes you can get them passed as there was a landy running around newy that was passed it was cool in the bush till he rolled it then it went to the dump i'll see if i can fined some photo's of it to post

Landrovers (and range rovers) chassis don't widen towards the rear so there is lots of room to steer the rear wheels. The guy that owns Maxi Drive built a custom bodied 4WS Range rover mane many years ago.

Sierra chassis widen significantly at the rear, it would be very difficult to allow any steering angle with suspension movement.

When Brent from Trail Tough built the crustacean, (tube chassis 4WS sierra) he ran the rear steer to work counter steer, crab steer controlled from the steering wheel - he could throw a lever and run either "mode", and a joystick to override. This got around one of the problems I have with 4WS control - it's very slow and clunky to use if you always have to separately control the rear. I think I'd get sick of it and give up on using it.

Steve.

Posted: **Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:34 am**

Gwagensteve wrote:
boner59 wrote:go the whole hog make it 4 wheel steer yes you can get them passed as there was a landy running around newy that was passed it was cool in the bush till he rolled it then it went to the dump i'll see if i can fined some photo's of it to post
Landrovers (and range rovers) chassis don't widen towards the rear so there is lots of room to steer the rear wheels. The guy that owns Maxi Drive built a custom bodied 4WS Range rover mane many years ago.

Sierra chassis widen significantly at the rear, it would be very difficult to allow any steering angle with suspension movement.

When Brent from Trail Tough built the crustacean, (tube chassis 4WS sierra) he ran the rear steer to work counter steer, crab steer controlled from the steering wheel - he could throw a lever and run either "mode", and a joystick to override. This got around one of the problems I have with 4WS control - it's very slow and clunky to use if you always have to separately control the rear. I think I'd get sick of it and give up on using it.

Steve.

ar well just a thought nevermind

Posted: **Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:03 am**

mazda 929 springs worked well on mine and marks zook. They are 50mm wide too

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