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Noticed a few of these going cheaply at the moment and wanting to ditch the old Rover to something bigger and more comfort [read things that actually work]

I have heard horror stories on the front diffs in the 105 model ??? but being stories i would rathe have first hand knowledge please .

Can you please advise me on short commings of these models .
I want a general all rounder / tourer / fishing bus .

many thanx in advance

oildripa wrote:Noticed a few of these going cheaply at the moment and wanting to ditch the old Rover to something bigger and more comfort [read things that actually work]

I have heard horror stories on the front diffs in the 105 model ??? but being stories i would rathe have first hand knowledge please .

Can you please advise me on short commings of these models .
I want a general all rounder / tourer / fishing bus .

many thanx in advance

the 105 series use's the same diff as the 80 series the hub's in the 105 are 3mm wider than the 80 I have a 105 have had no problems with mine

jimbo jones wrote:

oildripa wrote:Noticed a few of these going cheaply at the moment and wanting to ditch the old Rover to something bigger and more comfort [read things that actually work]

I have heard horror stories on the front diffs in the 105 model ??? but being stories i would rathe have first hand knowledge please .

Can you please advise me on short commings of these models .
I want a general all rounder / tourer / fishing bus .

many thanx in advance

the 105 series use's the same diff as the 80 series the hub's in the 105 are 3mm wider than the 80 I have a 105 have had no problems with mine

Yet it will come.............

thanx for the reply , like the articluation in your vid clip too .

I have been told that the 105 is possibly the WORST TOYOTA LANDCRUISER EVER MADE

and that the front diff is a Hilux center ????

Love the concepts of a vynal interior for cleaning out ...

also the interior size is great .... What models have live axles ???

once again many thanx in advance

all the 100 series are IFS torsion bar. All 105 series are solid axle. GXL and above is only available in 100 series. 100series was supplied with 4.5 litre petrol, 4.7 litre V8, 4.2 TD and 4.2NA (1HD). 105 series had only 1-HD motor.
AFAIK, correct me if I am wrong!

Yes the 4.5l petrols and all the n/a diesels have solid front ends (even GXL)
4.7l V8 and T/D are IFS

I have a 105 series, it is a GXL and is a 1HZ motor with aftermarket turbo and intercooler.

oildripa wrote:Noticed a few of these going cheaply at the moment and wanting to ditch the old Rover to something bigger and more comfort [read things that actually work]

I have heard horror stories on the front diffs in the 105 model ??? but being stories i would rathe have first hand knowledge please .

Can you please advise me on short commings of these models .
I want a general all rounder / tourer / fishing bus .

many thanx in advance

Mate if you use it as a general 4wd /tourer you will be ok.
If you wanted to do hard 4wdriving LOOK OUT.
I am on my fourth front diff [they are weak as piss] 8" crown wheel same as hilux.

Guys
The 105 runs a lower ratio than 80 cruisers, and 80's break front diffs too...they went 8 inch to fit the motor straight in the middle of the engine bay to help with cooling aswell as handling and sprung weight...thats why they are so good to ride in...back the the diff...u can strengthern them 100% by fitting a air locker...never snatch in reverse or give full power in reverse...the break in reverse not in forward...so driving style is a certain amount of the fault aswell....yes all us cruiser heads have had it good breakage wise with the 60 and earlier...but the 80 rides sooooo good...its hard recalling how bad a 60 handled till you get back in one...
The 100 being the worst 4wd....maybe if you r talking strength...but what about the best low gear ratios or the best brakes bar none...or the extra room and comfort and dual airbags....im suggesting it all depends on your standpoint....i think they are the second best ever made.....only the 80 is better :@)

the break in reverse not in forward...

I can asure you they can break going forward at 1500rpm with both wheels on the ground.
Fitting a locker won't make the teeth on the crownwheel stronger.
105s is still a great truck & when the front diff is fixed it's the best.

great feed back thanx guys .
Is there an after market product / crown wheel you can get to rectify them ?

Had a drive of a Datto 4.2 td GU today .... no comparison .... they are so truck like .... and the bonnet goes on for ever !

I will be going out in strength Sat looking for a 105

fisho64 wrote:all the 100 series are IFS torsion bar. All 105 series are solid axle. GXL and above is only available in 100 series. 100series was supplied with 4.5 litre petrol, 4.7 litre V8, 4.2 TD and 4.2NA (1HD). 105 series had only 1-HD motor.
AFAIK, correct me if I am wrong!

You're wrong, on the last bit at least!

FZJ105 = 1FZ-FE 4.5 PETROL
HZJ105 = 1HZ 4.2 NA DIESEL

UZJ100 = 2UZ-FE V8 PETROL
HDJ100 = 1HD-FTE 4.2 TD

and overseas markets included

FZJ100 = 1FZ-FE 4.5
HDJ100 = 1HD-T 12valve TD

fisho64 wrote:all the 100 series are IFS torsion bar. All 105 series are solid axle. GXL and above is only available in 100 series. 100series was supplied with 4.5 litre petrol, 4.7 litre V8, 4.2 TD and 4.2NA (1HD). 105 series had only 1-HD motor.
AFAIK, correct me if I am wrong!

GXL/RV also came out in the 105 with solid axle.

hdj105 wrote:

fisho64 wrote:all the 100 series are IFS torsion bar. All 105 series are solid axle. GXL and above is only available in 100 series. 100series was supplied with 4.5 litre petrol, 4.7 litre V8, 4.2 TD and 4.2NA (1HD). 105 series had only 1-HD motor.
AFAIK, correct me if I am wrong!

You're wrong, on the last bit at least!

FZJ105 = 1FZ-FE 4.5 PETROL
HZJ105 = 1HZ 4.2 NA DIESEL

UZJ100 = 2UZ-FE V8 PETROL
HDJ100 = 1HD-FTE 4.2 TD

and overseas markets included

FZJ100 = 1FZ-FE 4.5
HDJ100 = 1HD-T 12valve TD

I stand corrected!
But what is a HDJ105 then?

fisho64 wrote:

hdj105 wrote:

fisho64 wrote:all the 100 series are IFS torsion bar. All 105 series are solid axle. GXL and above is only available in 100 series. 100series was supplied with 4.5 litre petrol, 4.7 litre V8, 4.2 TD and 4.2NA (1HD). 105 series had only 1-HD motor.
AFAIK, correct me if I am wrong!

You're wrong, on the last bit at least!

FZJ105 = 1FZ-FE 4.5 PETROL
HZJ105 = 1HZ 4.2 NA DIESEL

UZJ100 = 2UZ-FE V8 PETROL
HDJ100 = 1HD-FTE 4.2 TD

and overseas markets included

FZJ100 = 1FZ-FE 4.5
HDJ100 = 1HD-T 12valve TD

I stand corrected!
But what is a HDJ105 then?

Take 1 HZJ105, blow the motor, take 1 HDJ80 with a nice 1HDFT motor, stir vigorously.... and you get a HDJ105

JOHNZ wrote:the break in reverse not in forward...

I can asure you they can break going forward at 1500rpm with both wheels on the ground.
Fitting a locker won't make the teeth on the crownwheel stronger.
105s is still a great truck & when the front diff is fixed it's the best.

can i ask what size tyres your running?

Matt

frontyMatt wrote:

JOHNZ wrote:the break in reverse not in forward...

I can asure you they can break going forward at 1500rpm with both wheels on the ground.
Fitting a locker won't make the teeth on the crownwheel stronger.
105s is still a great truck & when the front diff is fixed it's the best.

can i ask what size tyres your running?

Matt

cheapo 35 mudstars for two diffs & 34 JT2 for the 3rd diff.

+dj_hansen+ wrote:

fisho64 wrote:
I stand corrected!
But what is a HDJ105 then?

Take 1 HZJ105, blow the motor, take 1 HDJ80 with a nice 1HDFT motor, stir vigorously.... and you get a HDJ105

Pretty close, I just changed the 1HZ before it went bang.

For sale - 1 x 1HZ, 43,095kms only driven on Sundays

JOHNZ wrote:the break in reverse not in forward...

I can asure you they can break going forward at 1500rpm with both wheels on the ground.
Fitting a locker won't make the teeth on the crownwheel stronger.
0105s is still a great truck & when the front diff is fixed it's the best.

I will suggest that at 1500 with both wheels on the ground, you must have abused it down the track some...before it broke.....and secondly, the reason the teeth break is because the open centre has two large windows to get the sungears in and out, and thats where the ringgear is not supported well enough, and where the teeth disappear from ....an air locker is a solid lump of metal and supports the ring 100% better....even an old lsd from a lux will strengthen a front diff...

dow50r wrote:

JOHNZ wrote:the break in reverse not in forward...

I can asure you they can break going forward at 1500rpm with both wheels on the ground.
Fitting a locker won't make the teeth on the crownwheel stronger.
0105s is still a great truck & when the front diff is fixed it's the best.

I will suggest that at 1500 with both wheels on the ground, you must have abused it down the track some...before it broke.....and secondly, the reason the teeth break is because the open centre has two large windows to get the sungears in and out, and thats where the ringgear is not supported well enough, and where the teeth disappear from ....an air locker is a solid lump of metal and supports the ring 100% better....even an old lsd from a lux will strengthen a front diff...

The crownwheel was brand new & fitted with a new detroit locker & had 4 hours of 4wdriving under it's belt.
Diff no 2 was fitted with an air locker lasted 6hrs.???????
Both breakages were witnessed by forum members
100/105 broken front diffs are as common as anything.
I just got a PM from another forum member who just did his 3rd front diff want to know how I spliced mine.

JOHNZ wrote: Fitting a locker won't make the teeth on the crownwheel stronger.
105s is still a great truck & when the front diff is fixed it's the best.

true it doesnt make the teeth stronger, but it does stop the carrier from flexin which is wat the AIR LOCKER will do..

I only broke one diff then went straight to the air locker.. have ran 38's on it for 2 years now and 36's for 2 years b4 that and never broke a diff. and they are 4.88's which are weaker than 4.11's..

Back to the 100.. only one thing beats a 100 and thats a 80

crankycruiser wrote:

JOHNZ wrote: Fitting a locker won't make the teeth on the crownwheel stronger.
105s is still a great truck & when the front diff is fixed it's the best.

true it doesnt make the teeth stronger, but it does stop the carrier from flexin which is wat the AIR LOCKER will do..

I only broke one diff then went straight to the air locker.. have ran 38's on it for 2 years now and 36's for 2 years b4 that and never broke a diff. and they are 4.88's which are weaker than 4.11's..

Back to the 100.. only one thing beats a 100 and thats a 80

Back to the 100.. only one thing beats a 100 and thats a 80

No arguements there I regret selling my 80s

This is the real toyota land cruiser 105



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fix for the front diff is an air locker and a good set of aftermarket gears
that way you can break cv's
then upgrade them to longfields