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HI guys. has any one done a spring over to the rear of a 85 pajero?

Is there a reason you want to do this? Remember the front is ifs and you will only get 2 or so inches out of it.

i have made new upper wish bones for the front end which will give me a extra 70mm on top of the 50mm buy winding up the torsion bars alone.
Reindexing the torsion bars by 3 splines will be necasary.
My main reson for asking the question is to get some feed back on the body roll i can expect.
i have a 85 lwb pajero and will be fitting 33"mtz's so over all should come out with the whole vichle sitting approx 200mm taller than standard.

Got pics of these new wishbones? I don't think you will find someone who has done a springover but you never know.

I only made them up on the weekend.
They are currently at the engineers being mig welded up.
when i get them back i would be happy to take some pics to show you.
In the meen time i can tell you that to make them required a spare standard set of upper wish bones which were basically cut in half and the section that houses the ball joint was lowered by 70mm to allow more upper bump stop travel .

pics, pics,pics... plz,plz,plz!

constapa wrote:pics, pics,pics... plz,plz,plz!

should have pics by the weekend.

constapa wrote:pics, pics,pics... plz,plz,plz!

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when you say springover you mean your going to do a SAS in the front right?

oh yeh, and i want pics too

j-top paj wrote:when you say springover you mean your going to do a SAS in the front right?

No. My question is has any one ever done a rear end spring over.(rear diff)

WHY?
whats the point if the front is still IFS? i lifted the rear in mine and drove around for a few hours before lifting the front and it felt horrible
how much lift would you gain from a springover in the rear? 4-5 inches?
and then you could get 3 in the front at best? it still fould feel like carp

myshout wrote:

j-top paj wrote:when you say springover you mean your going to do a SAS in the front right?

No. My question is has any one ever done a rear end spring over.(rear diff)

You can't get enough lift from the front to match the lift of a rear spring-over. It's only really feasible if you're going SAS.

fogive me but im not tipped up with all the abbreviation's.
Sas??????

j-top paj wrote:WHY?
whats the point if the front is still IFS? i lifted the rear in mine and drove around for a few hours before lifting the front and it felt horrible
how much lift would you gain from a springover in the rear? 4-5 inches?
and then you could get 3 in the front at best? it still fould feel like carp

i have made new upper wish bones for the front end which will give me a extra 70mm on top of the 50mm buy winding up the torsion bars alone.
Reindexing the torsion bars by 3 splines will be necasary.
My main reson for asking the question is to get some feed back on the body roll i can expect.
i have a 85 lwb pajero and will be fitting 33"mtz's so over all should come out with the whole vichle sitting approx 200mm taller than standard.

myshout wrote:fogive me but im not tipped up with all the abbreviation's.
Sas??????

Solid Axle Swap - pull out all the IFS stuff, and bolt in a solid axle. Difficult to find a suitable axle in Aus, most build a custom converted Toyota axle. I'm sure we'll soon know if I'm wrong.

In the FAQ, at the bottom of "Suspension & Body Lifts", there's couple of SAS topics.

-Scott- wrote:

myshout wrote:fogive me but im not tipped up with all the abbreviation's.
Sas??????

Solid Axle Swap - pull out all the IFS stuff, and bolt in a solid axle. Difficult to find a suitable axle in Aus, most build a custom converted Toyota axle. I'm sure we'll soon know if I'm wrong.

In the FAQ, at the bottom of "Suspension & Body Lifts", there's couple of SAS topics.

thanks for the tip.javascript:emoticon(':oops:')
I am pretty sure i have figured out a way to retain the original ifs but tweak it a little to give it a max of 120mm lift over standard. (see my previous posts.)
if all works out good , which my engineering mates and i are sure it will, we should be able to achieve a 200mm lift above standard on a gen 1 pajero using the ifs mod, rear spring over and 33" tyres.
I just wanted to know if any one else has done this before, but judging by the feed back it is lookin like a no.

j-top paj wrote:WHY?
whats the point if the front is still IFS? i lifted the rear in mine and drove around for a few hours before lifting the front and it felt horrible
how much lift would you gain from a springover in the rear? 4-5 inches?
and then you could get 3 in the front at best? it still fould feel like carp

why?? cause i can and what else would be better than going any where the so called big boys do but with a pajero. 85 model as well.
I'd like to see the looks on their faces when a pajero goes as far or further than they can.

myshout wrote:

-Scott- wrote:

myshout wrote:fogive me but im not tipped up with all the abbreviation's.
Sas??????

Solid Axle Swap - pull out all the IFS stuff, and bolt in a solid axle. Difficult to find a suitable axle in Aus, most build a custom converted Toyota axle. I'm sure we'll soon know if I'm wrong.

In the FAQ, at the bottom of "Suspension & Body Lifts", there's couple of SAS topics.

thanks for the tip.javascript:emoticon(':oops:')
I am pretty sure i have figured out a way to retain the original ifs but tweak it a little to give it a max of 120mm lift over standard. (see my previous posts.)
if all works out good , which my engineering mates and i are sure it will, we should be able to achieve a 200mm lift above standard on a gen 1 pajero using the ifs mod, rear spring over and 33" tyres.
I just wanted to know if any one else has done this before, but judging by the feed back it is lookin like a no.

If it's something along the lines of spacing the sub frame and relocating the torsion bar to the top wishbone, it's been done.

myshout wrote:

-Scott- wrote:

myshout wrote:fogive me but im not tipped up with all the abbreviation's.
Sas??????

Solid Axle Swap - pull out all the IFS stuff, and bolt in a solid axle. Difficult to find a suitable axle in Aus, most build a custom converted Toyota axle. I'm sure we'll soon know if I'm wrong.

In the FAQ, at the bottom of "Suspension & Body Lifts", there's couple of SAS topics.

thanks for the tip.javascript:emoticon(':oops:')
I am pretty sure i have figured out a way to retain the original ifs but tweak it a little to give it a max of 120mm lift over standard. (see my previous posts.)
if all works out good , which my engineering mates and i are sure it will, we should be able to achieve a 200mm lift above standard on a gen 1 pajero using the ifs mod, rear spring over and 33" tyres.
I just wanted to know if any one else has done this before, but judging by the feed back it is lookin like a no.

From what i've seen the most anyone has got out of the front keeping the ifs is with
-the balljoint flip
-the thai lift
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?t=28963

So i think the answer is no. Do you really need to do a springover?? Why not extend shackles and higher leaf springs?

myshout wrote:

j-top paj wrote:WHY?
whats the point if the front is still IFS? i lifted the rear in mine and drove around for a few hours before lifting the front and it felt horrible
how much lift would you gain from a springover in the rear? 4-5 inches?
and then you could get 3 in the front at best? it still fould feel like carp

why?? cause i can and what else would be better than going any where the so called big boys do but with a pajero. 85 model as well.
I'd like to see the looks on their faces when a pajero goes as far or further than they can.

I think the best way to do that is...
- Supercharged commondore v6
- Twin Locked
- Crawler gears
- 35's
- SAS

have you seen
http://carl.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?t=104000

currently dont have the money for higher leaf springs and I tried the extended shackle thing and bent the rear of the leafs when the shackles inverted.

Hey myshout, i know what you mean about the mods to your front, my mate did similar to his ( the paj from tuff truck ) before going a SAS, but he didn't go spring over in rear just longer shackles and raised leaves till he went 1/4 elliptic, but it was about the hight your thinking of and it was fine as far as body roll went with no swaybar, my scout's SOA ( no swaybars ) and it has less body roll than any coil sprung rig with small lift and swaybars.

In short you will notice a little bit more body roll but nothin that will make it feel unstable, depending on how good you leaves are of cause.

And thats my 2cents, but hope it helps.

With some trimming to the guards you should be able to fit 35's which will add a bit more width to it to help with the stability.

OzBinder wrote:Hey myshout, i know what you mean about the mods to your front, my mate did similar to his ( the paj from tuff truck ) before going a SAS, but he didn't go spring over in rear just longer shackles and raised leaves till he went 1/4 elliptic, but it was about the hight your thinking of and it was fine as far as body roll went with no swaybar, my scout's SOA ( no swaybars ) and it has less body roll than any coil sprung rig with small lift and swaybars.

In short you will notice a little bit more body roll but nothin that will make it feel unstable, depending on how good you leaves are of cause.

And thats my 2cents, but hope it helps.

Your 2 cents worth is much appreciated. I have installed 2" lifted ironman leafs 12 months ago.

Were are the pics???
Cmon mate...

yeah come on mate...........whats the go

constapa wrote:Were are the pics???
Cmon mate...

here are the pics.
you can view them at: http://au.geocities.com/alanmichellebel ... olift.html

lets see them on the car..

Sweet, looking good mate............when are they going on?