Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Seems after some research noone came to a good conclusion, with pros and cons for both front and rear lockers.

Hopefully this poll should get the job done Feel free to comment about the way you voted.

I didnt put a selection for Both front and rear because everyone knows thats better (more capable) than just the one.

I dont know about other combinations of welding, auto lockers lim slip diffs etc but they might be better.

I think you'll find that this has been covered a few times before. There's also no way that you'll get a definitive answer, everyone has an opinion there's no way that you'll get everyone to agree.

Front locker will drive through mud better, rear will climb better. Both will get you much further.

Do you drive mud?

Rock?

Daily driver or weekend toy?

sierrajim wrote:I think you'll find that this has been covered a few times before.

I had a quick look but all i could find was as you sa opinions, I was hoping the poll would just show everyones opinions and then give some idea of what the majority who are happy with their lockers have done.

sierrajim wrote:Front locker will drive through mud better, rear will climb better. Both will get you much further.

I would of thought that a front locker would help pull up hills as it is the first point of contact when attempting a rut or ledge, it has some of the weight of the engine on it when on a hill, not much depending on slope but still. From the rutted uphill tracks ive driven on i still feel the front would get the most benefit but ive never tried driving a car with lockers so i really cant say. hopefully this poll should clear up what drivers prefer.

sierrajim wrote:Do you drive mud?

Rock?

Daily driver or weekend toy?

all of the above, Im really after the best all rounder approach but granted that might not be possible id probably rather the ability to climb steep rutted tracks. over boggin in the mud

depending on how good your limo is in the back, but if you got a good LSD and she's nice and tight id go front for sure, i got both front and rear now, but back before i had my front locker and only had the rear there were a number of times on rock ledges and stuff esp in hilly terrain where the front just did nothing at all to help and the locked rear just kept pushin and tryin to flip the truck over backwards, but now with the front in shes virtually unstoppable

so in answer to your question id go front, but eithers good, hope that helps tho

Elmo wrote:depending on how good your limo is in the back, but if you got a good LSD and she's nice and tight id go front for sure

Toyota and good tight LSD are not two words you generally hear together.

LOL @ love_mud

I am in the same position, with only a factory LSD in the rear of my Hilux, the pennies are being saved for a front locker.

I figure that the back end is doing *some* work and the front does bugger all.. so at least if the front is able to pull then I'll be a bit better off than I am at the moment.

Id go rear first for sure.
But you cant beat twin lockers.

I just put 2 pro lokers in the 105 series made a hell of a diffrence

jimbo

Id go rear first for sure.
But you cant beat twin lockers.

Once again I agree with this advice. In a toyota ( I have owned 5) I would definty put one in the rear, the LSD is not up to it. I use my rear locker 95 % of the offroading I do, front about 25%. if its a tourer and you are not flush with cash go for a rer locker. if you have the cash nothing will beat both.

Paul

I found the front locker made the most difference in my lux. When i put the lockers in my old lux, i had a test track lined up, VERY rutted, un-even climbs on hard dirt. First i tried it without lockers. I managed to get through it but it was VERY HARD on the truck and it took about 7-8 attempts at each section, i almost gave up about 3-4 times. then i put the rear locker in (as was recommended by the ARB salesman) and tried the same trach again. This time it was easier but it still took a little bit of abuse and a couple of goes (2-3) at each section. I didnt look like giving up this time. Then i put the front locker in and wired it independent of the back locker and tried the same track again. This time it was mutch easier on the driveline and truck in general, only having to have 3 attempts at the last section to make it all the way through. Least to say with both lockers i all but walked trough the entire track no trouble. Just my experience.

So do all model hiluxs come with a lsd rear ??
I thought mine only had a front one

rear will get you in trouble
front will get you out of trouble


GENERALIZATION

Toyota - Rear

Nissan - Front

Emo wrote:Toyota - Rear

Nissan - Front

Is that because toyota has a lsd in front ? and nissan has one in rear ?
sorry just needs a bit of clarification for my learning brain

As far as i know no hilux's have a front lsd, im not sure whether they got rear lsd's around 1984 or 1988. i know my 81 model was open rear.

If you have an LSD rear you can get it shimmed up a bit to make it tighter. As Lux diff centres are the same front and back you can install your rear locker and put the LSD in the front where it will wear less and be kinder to your CV's

how does one tell if they have rear lsd ? can I tell by looking at it ?

CHIEF88 wrote:how does one tell if they have rear lsd ? can I tell by looking at it ?

In an 87 it is pretty unlikey.

love_mud wrote:If you have an LSD rear you can get it shimmed up a bit to make it tighter. As Lux diff centres are the same front and back you can install your rear locker and put the LSD in the front where it will wear less and be kinder to your CV's

This is sound advice, but a front locker is always more useful than a
rear when 4wding. If you think you're gonna break something then
you're pushing too hard in the first place....back off a bit...
I still like to shim the LSD, but leave it in the back so it helps on
those fast dirt sections between tracks

CHIEF88 wrote:

Emo wrote:Toyota - Rear

Nissan - Front

Is that because toyota has a lsd in front ? and nissan has one in rear ?
sorry just needs a bit of clarification for my learning brain

It's because the LSD in a Toyota is rooted after a short period of time whereas Nissan had a decent LSD so no point in getting rid of it for a locker. Put the locker where it's going to be the most use to your vehicle.

Pauwolf wrote:

Id go rear first for sure.
But you cant beat twin lockers.

Once again I agree with this advice. In a toyota ( I have owned 5) I would definty put one in the rear, the LSD is not up to it. I use my rear locker 95 % of the offroading I do, front about 25%. if its a tourer and you are not flush with cash go for a rer locker. if you have the cash nothing will beat both.

Paul

Point if you get a locker in rear you will be having to lock it all the time seen as how you have completly open diff (no LSD)

CHIEF88 wrote:how does one tell if they have rear lsd ? can I tell by looking at it ?

Mate, even if you have a LSD, I wouldn't worry, it's rooted. The clutches last like 20k and then it just becomes an open diff.

as all the others have stated.... you can't beat both..... this is what I did... I started with a Lockrite locker in the front and a CIG locker in the rear, this created two problems.
1. the car very hard to steer.
2. the rear was binding up making a lot of noise especialy on roundabouts....
solution.... shouted the lux a ARB air locker to go in the front so you can turn it on and off and manage to steer the begger around corners and moved the lockrite to the rear.....
All is good now.

Pete

CHIEF88 wrote:how does one tell if they have rear lsd ? can I tell by looking at it ?

Shameless plug.

I have an LSD (just the centre) for sale and also a richmond lockrite (in 4.88 centre)

well the voting hasnt really proved anything damn even votes

#1... Front locker
-provides good traction when front end of car has weight on it (flat)

-provides some traction going up steep hills
(engine still has some weight on front and one of the front wheels always seems to be on the ground so would provide increased climbing abilitys)

#2... Rear locker
-provides good traction when the rear has weight on it (steep)

-provides little but not great traction when in mud (no weight)(flat)

= So granted 2 lockers would be ideal, im thinking the front is the way to go, ignoring lsd's and what not.

Please add to the pros and cons for rear and front i most definatly missed something.

CHIEF88 wrote:Please add to the pros and cons for rear and front i most definatly missed something.

Front has a couple of cons you missed.
It majorly affects steering when on. Also there is a lot more fragile bits in a front diff like CVs etc.
So a front locker tends to be a - wait untill lose traction, stop, flick on locker to get out, flick off.
Rear can be a once you hit the dirt flick it on, flick it off when airing up .
Dont get me wrong I Luuurrrve my front locker but I would 100% go rear first.

hmmm good points. I totally skipped over the steering thing

CHIEF88 wrote:hmmm good points. I totally skipped over the steering thing

Im not sure how the auto lockers go with steering they are supposed to be better but I know with my Lux with ARBs especialy with both locked in it is very heavy to steer.

ausyota wrote:

CHIEF88 wrote:hmmm good points. I totally skipped over the steering thing

Im not sure how the auto lockers go with steering they are supposed to be better but I know with my Lux with ARBs especialy with both locked in it is very heavy to steer.

Thats what happens when all your tires run at the same speed.... your inside turning wheels run slower when you have an open diff..

All this talk on lockers..WTF?

I welded my front diffs together. Best thing I did since the invention of sliced bread. As for steering, just fitted an uprated steering box.