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Am after any and all the info you might have on the PTO winches that are known to some as gods winch. Am chasing any pics or even other names you have known them to be called. Thanks for any help.

They're typically a small car diff (datto 180b for eg). Some have a brake mounted on one side and a drum on the other, but i think most are just welded with a drum on one side.
Deathtraps.

-Stu

Thomas is probably the best known. You need to have a PTO unit mounted to your transfer case.
To help further you need to tell us your vehicle and intended use - competition, regular use etc.

have a look at the threads on maly guys runnin zooks in recent OBC... or go hit Pirate.

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Is definately intended for competition use. I have checked out the thread on the malaysian zooks from the OBC. Was just seeing if anyone had any more info in general on them. Thanks for all the help so far and anyone else feel free to add more.

Wild West wrote:Is definately intended for competition use. I have checked out the thread on the malaysian zooks from the OBC. Was just seeing if anyone had any more info in general on them. Thanks for all the help so far and anyone else feel free to add more.

Unless you get an automatic brake that works similar to a Hi-mount, Lowmount elec or a worm drive on a normal PTO winch. Or how the Hydraulics brake. Then it wont be legal in competition. As CCDA rules state it has to have an automatic brake.

I can't speak for competition use ( I dont comp), but I run a Toyota OEM winch on my Middy and in 5th gear, she pulls mighty fast even at idle speeds. Up the revs and it is too fast - if that possible
Ramsay and Thomas are other brands. As far as I am aware, all three types use a worm drive so they are automatically "braked".
The advantage I see in PTO's is that they will run all day every day without overheating and require virtually no maintenance if not used for extended periods. I hear the elec winches can have problems with corrosion of brushes etc if not regularly maintained.

how much is involved attaching the pto to the transfer ?

The 70s series transfer cases have a six bolt cover plate on the left side which gives access to the gears. Any PTO built for 60 or 70 series cruisers will fit. The PTO has an engagement lever which needs to be brought up into the cabin and sits slightly forward and to left of gear shifter. Quite easy to do and maybe cleverer people could fabricate a soleniod to do this instead?!
Not a Nissan guru but I know that they had PTO's available but I think maybe on early GQ's? Any help Nissan fans?
Apparently some 80 series transfers have this too, but not sure what years or markets they were available on, if true at all. The difficulty is that you can't fit the shaft through to front on the 80's but it is straight forward on the 70's and it follows the chassis to the front. 80's series and all other PTOable transfer cases could use the PTO to drive a high flow hydraulic motor and run oil lines to front (or rear) winches or anything else hydraulic for that matter! Hell of a lot better option that using the power steering pump
Can anyone confirm if the new 70 series has the same transfer case cover? Hydraulic winches on these units would be an awesome option combined with the factory elecric lockers - great unit altogether. Okay, slight hijack there
Attention Maxidrive or Marks adapters etc - huge business opportunity here and you can have it 4 free - feel free to send me a unit if you're feeling real generous

i hear that early GQs had them, and i know the MQ/MKs had them, but they seem hard to find, iv been looking for a few months now and cant find one anywhere in tassie as yet....

When I bought my 80s (91 std), there was an ex gov 80 there with a pto winch. I bought mine because it was a better vehicle, but I would have loved the pto winch.

What sort of cost is involved in installing a pto winch?

PTO in a mate 80 series ..



Where the PTO shaft cross

macca81 wrote:i hear that early GQs had them, and i know the MQ/MKs had them, but they seem hard to find, iv been looking for a few months now and cant find one anywhere in tassie as yet....

On GQ's it is only a forwards or reverse gear. As the PTO gearbox is mounted to the front of the gearbox. Where as on an MK, landrovers or toys. The pto gearbox is mounted either to the rear of the gearbox or off the transfercase. So they can select all any gear to winch in.

And it is still possible to turn the wheels at the same time. Just getting the wheel speed right is imppossible. As you cant ride the clutch like you would when using an elec winch. Lower low range gears do help though.

i went to the nissan dealer yesterday, after spending 20 mins looking on his database he found what i wanted, but he recons they stoped stocking them so long ago that the computer wont even tell him when they were last manufactured.... and so my search for a nissan pto and winch continues.... i so should have bought a cruiser....

macca81 wrote:i went to the nissan dealer yesterday, after spending 20 mins looking on his database he found what i wanted, but he recons they stoped stocking them so long ago that the computer wont even tell him when they were last manufactured.... and so my search for a nissan pto and winch continues.... i so should have bought a cruiser....

I found my gq pto from perth 4wd wreckers... im in brissy and i got it freighted over... keep looking they are hard to come by but they r out there... have seen 2 on ebay in the last 6 months.

You think one for a Nissan is hard to find, try a Daihatsu Rocky, but yes, I have one. They come up from time to time. I got mine from Adelaide, and I am in CQ.
Mine bolts to the rear of the transfer case. The pulling power is excellent. The only time it wont work is if the motor wont go. 5th gear is fast fast recovery. Again, virtually too fast. I usually use third for normal recovery, and 1st for the tricky really deep stuff.
Driving while winching is not a problem. You dont have a choice of wheel speed, as its also locked to engine revs.

I have done a long long winch along very muddy wheel ruts, when I was alone, where the vehicle was winching, driving, and I was able to get out and do some shovel work at the same time.

Did you have pics of your winch setup ..?

turps said Wild West wrote:
Is definately intended for competition use. I have checked out the thread on the malaysian zooks from the OBC. Was just seeing if anyone had any more info in general on them. Thanks for all the help so far and anyone else feel free to add more.



Unless you get an automatic brake that works similar to a Hi-mount, Lowmount elec or a worm drive on a normal PTO winch. Or how the Hydraulics brake. Then it wont be legal in competition. As CCDA rules state it has to have an automatic brake

there are auto brake set ups i have seen them i think they come off rail grinders or something on the railway

I spent a lot of time and money last year building a PTO set up for my GQ. I built an operated freespool for it with an extended drum and ran it in last years Vic Winch. I had not run the winch prior to the comp. At the time I used an Air drill attached to the side of a freewheeling hub to engage the winch. We put a plastic bag over the drill painted the bag black and put a WARN sticker on it. Kept a lot of people confused.

Thomas PTO from gear box: Solid unit bigger than Genuine nissan
Nissan PTO from gear box: see above
Thomas uses push pull cable in dash looks like Gas lever of old
Nissan has cool lever mounted on drivers side of gear selector with missile switch style keeper to stop f..ups
Thomas uses keyqway type shafts with bearing exposed and prone to dirt
Nissan uses splined slip joints excellent bearing carrier. Higher RPM
Ratios in PTO from gearbox can vary make to make. Reverse is faster
No you can't run the rope on the other side of the drum and run it in reverse.
Thomas head has 50:1 gearbox reduction, ugly dog clutch on the end problematic with mud.
Nssan GQ has 32:1 gear reduction, Free wheeling hub on the end One bearing on the input shaft, one bush. Shot shaft, short drum, crap end cap holder.
Nissan MQ has 32:1 gear reduction, freewheeling hub, longer shaft, two bearings, short drum with a leadin to suit larger shaft.
Super strong, fast but no feed back, eg hear highmount slow down under load. We just loaded it up until it broke the brand new 11mm plasma like it was cotten. Needs to be independantly driven off the crankshaft.

I am selling off a lot of my stuff to buy a lathe to build other stuff

not for highway use, does the stuff your selling fit onto the MQ gearbox? if so, gimmie a msg and id love to talk business with ya...