Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Posted: **Sat Dec 13, 2003 8:23 pm**

Im cashed up as of end of next week.. spending starts following week.

Where to get quality 4.6's?? Ive heard of G&J, but theres some average stories out there..

What else is there apart from genuine .? Worked out better value to get teh whole front diff, housing and center than just the center! Only $300 more I think it was... Was few mths ago now

Posted: **Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:49 pm**

just go second hand factory ones .....if you can find any.

Posted: **Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:50 pm**

big red wrote:just go second hand factory ones .....if you can find any.

thats a big IF...

Posted: **Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:22 pm**

I got Ryans old 4.6's sittin here outa the MQ not doing a whole lot if interested. did u need the whole brake to brake setup or just the centres?

screwy

Posted: **Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:24 pm**

Screwy_ScrewBall wrote:I got Ryans old 4.6's sittin here outa the MQ not doing a whole lot if interested. did u need the whole brake to brake setup or just the centres?

screwy

pretty sure MQ wont fit.

Just been looking on Hugetesticlesoffroad and Liam has them listed..
Waiting to see what he has to say.

Posted: **Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:44 am**

IMO run aftermarket front 4.625 $550. I can supply and genuine rear.

The problem with non genuine in the rear is case hardening at around 30-35,000 km.

Posted: **Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:23 am**

bogged wrote:pretty sure MQ wont fit.

I think the back will. Do some community service and find out for us

Posted: **Mon Dec 15, 2003 10:38 am**

LOCKY wrote:IMO run aftermarket front 4.625 $550. I can supply and genuine rear.

The problem with non genuine in the rear is case hardening at around 30-35,000 km.

THats why I was asking, Ive heard of some nastys with Non Genuine, but genuine kit is SSSSSsoooooooooooo Expensive :cry:

Then theres fitting.. :s

What price can you get on Genuine rear

Posted: **Mon Dec 15, 2003 11:29 am**

When available around $1000 for the rear genuine Nissan. But you can almost afford to buy two non-genuine rears for that. I have just put non genuine 4.88's in our GU. :twisted:

Posted: **Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:20 am**

go to a car yard, take a test drive in a 2.8 td then take it back and say its too slow off the mark :twisted:

Posted: **Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:33 am**

IMPORTANT NOTICE...

The MQ rear crown and pinion will fitt PERFECTELY BOTH rear and front!!!
And you have a BIIIIIG advantage: the front diff will be a REVERSE crown and pinion, which in the US is a must for any off-roader...

TIP: all you have to do will be to change the front diff satellites: take yours, fitt it to the rear MQ diff (H233 also), then put the ENTIRE diff AND housing diff on the front GQ axle....Then (I came back to Wandle and his tie-rod set-up...that's why I'll mount it, besides the clearence on the tie-rod...) you can mount the Wandle set-up, as the original GQ tie-rod can't pass above the MQ diff house (the pinion is not anymore a High-angle pinion), which means (for big lifts more the 3") that you have to cutt the gear-box cross member too in order to clear the front CV...

I think that this is the cheappest solution to run 4.625 or even bigger crown and pinion rate (I have now GENUINE 5.1...)...

I deserve a beer, isn't?!? :lol:

Posted: **Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:45 am**

Good work dude.

So even if you run aftermarket front gears, you can still do the rear end for next to nothing. you can buy a whole MQ for less than the cost of the nissan gear set..

Posted: **Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:09 am**

Wendle wrote:Good work dude.

So even if you run aftermarket front gears, you can still do the rear end for next to nothing. you can buy a whole MQ for less than the cost of the nissan gear set..

ROFLMAO!!!

Wandle, you and Gabriel deserve a :drinking:

!!!! (six pack)

Posted: **Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:20 am**

we'll have to get some of that Romanian beer that comes in a different shaped bottle every time!

Posted: **Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:52 am**

Wendle wrote:we'll have to get some of that Romanian beer that comes in a different shaped bottle every time!

I am not familiar with it, but the MQ hubs tech and the MQ diffs tech is worth the beers.

Posted: **Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:18 am**

bj on roids wrote:
Wendle wrote:we'll have to get some of that Romanian beer that comes in a different shaped bottle every time!

I am not familiar with it, but the MQ hubs tech and the MQ diffs tech is worth the beers.

Gabriel should be familiar with it, as he is from Bucharest and would be looking at it frequently!

My friend used to go skiing every year in Romania shortly after the USSR disbanded, because it was so cheap.. Everyone was so poor, that even the breweries couldn't afford to produce more glass, so they sterilised, filled and labeled whatever they could find. Buy a 6-pack and odds were good that there would be 3 or 4 different bottles within it. Anyway, maybe my mate was full of shit, Gabriel will now for sure though..

Posted: **Tue Dec 16, 2003 3:59 pm**

Wendle wrote:
bj on roids wrote:
Wendle wrote:we'll have to get some of that Romanian beer that comes in a different shaped bottle every time!

I am not familiar with it, but the MQ hubs tech and the MQ diffs tech is worth the beers.

Gabriel should be familiar with it, as he is from Bucharest and would be looking at it frequently!

My friend used to go skiing every year in Romania shortly after the USSR disbanded, because it was so cheap.. Everyone was so poor, that even the breweries couldn't afford to produce more glass, so they sterilised, filled and labeled whatever they could find. Buy a 6-pack and odds were good that there would be 3 or 4 different bottles within it. Anyway, maybe my mate was full of shit, Gabriel will now for sure though..

Lets hear from our drunken Romanian friend it's?!!

Also bogged I reckon, buy nothing because whatever you buy you will whinge and complain about :armsup:

Posted: **Wed Dec 17, 2003 1:17 am**

Hi guys!!

Ref the bottles...well, if you buy Amstell, is one bottle type, and if you buy Budwaiser...I think should be different, isn't?!?

The facts are that after our "revolution", back in 1989, yes, we where preatty poors...but from 1989 till now...we are better now. In 2007 we will be part of the European Community, so it looks to me that if they want us...for some reason will be!!

Deffinitely, we are poorer then Aussy's (average salary is about 450-500 AU$), but we will improve!;-)))

...and, of course, for turists, is a good deal to come to Romania, as all the prices are related to the salary...

Ref the 4.6 and MQ diffs...I repeat, its the best way to have 4.6 AND reverse crown-pinion on the front!!! I have it in my car (I'm waiting for the double CV type to come from Spain, then I'll see the difference between the 4.625 and 5.1 gears...!!!

I also have to wait for the 2.5", 14" travel ,w/res, coil-over RAce Runners shocks that should arrive from the States end of this week....as it proves that my coil-overs, based on Bilstein truck shock is not resisteant enough...I destroyed the shaft on BOTH rear coil-overs...;-(((

Best regards, Gabriel

Posted: **Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:15 am**

Gabriel wrote:Ref the 4.6 and MQ diffs...I repeat, its the best way to have 4.6 AND reverse crown-pinion on the front!!! I have it in my car (I'm waiting for the double CV type to come from Spain, then I'll see the difference between the 4.625 and 5.1 gears...!!!

all the aus GQ fronts are reverse cut.
but I think you were saying that the spanish fronts were reverse cut with a low pinion?? weird...

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2003 7:27 am**

Wendle wrote:
Gabriel wrote:Ref the 4.6 and MQ diffs...I repeat, its the best way to have 4.6 AND reverse crown-pinion on the front!!! I have it in my car (I'm waiting for the double CV type to come from Spain, then I'll see the difference between the 4.625 and 5.1 gears...!!!

all the aus GQ fronts are reverse cut.
but I think you were saying that the spanish fronts were reverse cut with a low pinion?? weird...

A reverse cut low pinion would not work. Possibly he looked at it upside down?? There is really no point to a reverse cut low pinion when you think about it.

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2003 8:00 am**

bj on roids wrote:
Wendle wrote:
Gabriel wrote:Ref the 4.6 and MQ diffs...I repeat, its the best way to have 4.6 AND reverse crown-pinion on the front!!! I have it in my car (I'm waiting for the double CV type to come from Spain, then I'll see the difference between the 4.625 and 5.1 gears...!!!

all the aus GQ fronts are reverse cut.
but I think you were saying that the spanish fronts were reverse cut with a low pinion?? weird...

A reverse cut low pinion would not work. Possibly he looked at it upside down?? There is really no point to a reverse cut low pinion when you think about it.

hmm, I don't know what our romanian friend is on about there.. I guess it is reversed when compared to a normal reverse cut gear :crazyeyes:

cool though that you can get a complete MQ with a 4.6 rear gearset, for less than the cost of the nissan gearset.

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2003 8:29 am**

Has anyone thought of telling HM about this thread, and about the gear correction he may need with his tyres?

I can't find an emoticon for tongue in cheek... :lol:

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2003 5:38 pm**

I have G&J 4.88 in my GQ diffs (under a 40s though), running 6.2 chev diesel, airlockers and 39 swampers and have had no probs at all, where very easy to set up and have so far been very strong. i was a bit worried at first as the pinion is smaller but no probs at all. Would have no hesitation in reccomending them.

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2003 5:39 pm**

I have G&J 4.88 in my GQ diffs (under a 40s though), running 6.2 chev diesel, airlockers and 39 swampers and have had no probs at all, where very easy to set up and have so far been very strong. i was a bit worried at first as the pinion is smaller but no probs at all. Would have no hesitation in reccomending them.

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2003 9:22 pm**

Area54 wrote:Has anyone thought of telling HM about this thread, and about the gear correction he may need with his tyres?

I'll tell him about the gearing change !! That should do it...

Posted: **Sun Dec 21, 2003 4:04 pm**

yeah i am reading it now

Posted: **Sun Dec 21, 2003 4:06 pm**

what are the big balls ones like?

Posted: **Sun Dec 21, 2003 7:57 pm**

hottiemonster wrote:what are the big balls ones like?

Liams gear is around the best out there...

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Liam ... Does that get me a better deal than our PM the other day?

Posted: **Sun Dec 21, 2003 8:06 pm**

Don't want to hijack the thread or anything but I have 3.9 diffs according to the plate - and they are LSDs as well according to the stickers that are still on them (a good sign as far as previous-owner-abuse goes, I reckon!)

So let's say I fit 35" tyres (hypothetically) and therefore want 4.3 or 4.6:1 diffs. Would the fact that I have LSDs make this a heap more complicated? Ie, would I be sacrificing the limited slip for the gruntier ratio?

Forgive me if this is an idiotic question - go any deeper than the bearings and the innards of a diff are a bit of a mystery to me.

No doubt I am gonna learn

Jason

Posted: **Sun Dec 21, 2003 8:09 pm**

chimpboy wrote:Don't want to hijack the thread or anything but I have 3.9 diffs according to the plate - and they are LSDs as well according to the stickers that are still on them (a good sign as far as previous-owner-abuse goes, I reckon!)

So let's say I fit 35" tyres (hypothetically) and therefore want 4.3 or 4.6:1 diffs. Would the fact that I have LSDs make this a heap more complicated? Ie, would I be sacrificing the limited slip for the gruntier ratio?

Forgive me if this is an idiotic question - go any deeper than the bearings and the innards of a diff are a bit of a mystery to me.

No doubt I am gonna learn

Jason

3.9 stock 31s
4.1 -> 33
4.3 -> 35

Basically go up 1 ratio per 2inch of tire

LSD in GQ is good..