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Does anyone know what minimum spring lift is needed to fit 30's on a Jimny?



Aidz.
2001 JX

4 inches is perfect

In sydney....

For the rest of us, play with trimming and moving the front axle forward a little and you can run 30's with no lift (and narrow 32's with almost no lift)

Mugginsmoo went from 100mm spring down to 50mm spring with a winch (so the front was almost stock height) with 30's on 7" sierra offset rims.

Steve.

4 inches hmm

On my jim I've done the 4 inch thingy. And have gone lower now. With factory offset 5.5 you can run an ome 50mm lift with little trimming. A larger offset and major cutting will be needed with 2 inch. Try www.jimny.se for more input. jims alll around the world.

Rob

Ok , cheap option. Put the front springs in the rear and put 1978 skyline rear springs in the front with 2" longer than std sierra shocks in the front and 2000+ triton shocks in the rear. This plus a body lift and I run up to 31x10.5 's on wider 7" sierra rims. For the body lift you only need 2x 2" body blocks. For the rear 6 blocks just reverse the original rubber blocks with some extra rubber packers (I used stock lwb sierra body packers) and a few big steel washers. The two front bolts will need to be longer but they are readily available. Pics of the City-View 'little blue jimny' are on the Jimny.se site linked in an above post.

Cheers

Peter

cityview wrote:Ok , cheap option. Put the front springs in the rear and put 1978 skyline rear springs in the front with 2" longer than std sierra shocks in the front and 2000+ triton shocks in the rear. This plus a body lift and I run up to 31x10.5 's on wider 7" sierra rims. For the body lift you only need 2x 2" body blocks. For the rear 6 blocks just reverse the original rubber blocks with some extra rubber packers (I used stock lwb sierra body packers) and a few big steel washers. The two front bolts will need to be longer but they are readily available. Pics of the City-View 'little blue jimny' are on the Jimny.se site linked in an above post.

Cheers

Peter

...and when the cops pull you over and ask why your body is sitting on washers, just smile and pray

If you must bootyfab your car together rather than paying a small amount of money to any number of people to buy the right stiff (some of whom are regularly on this board) at least don't get on here and boast about it. There is wrong way and a right way to body lift a suzuki and this is all of the wrong ways.

Don't worry though - it's only holding your body on.

So have you got swift 300zx/130sx brake lines too? I heard they were real cheap.

I know not everyone has big dollars to work on their car, but some of this stuff just has to be done properly or not at all.

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:So have you got swift 300zx/130sx brake lines too? I heard they were real cheap.

mmm second hand safety related items of unknown history and age.

Maybe talk to BBM in Sydney for some parts ask for Liam 02 96799744

Thems fightin' words!

the swift brake lines work, if you know what your looking at you would not buy dangerous rubbish.
generally they have done less work,haven't been stretched by modified longer travel suspension,ect & are younger than what is on most sierra's.

how are you moving the front axle forward on a jimny ?

Pete's bodylift i haven't looked at but you would probably see what he means if you had a look,more than likely safer than some of the box section bodylifts most of us have seen on sierra's.
he is just giving an option people settle down

almost every zook has bootyfab. just how booty is in the eye's of the beholder

*rant on*

Stacked washers and second hand brakelines are not "options" they are stupid.

I agree, every car has some bootyfab on it somewhere, but there is no need to be encouraging it in areas like body lifts and brakes.

Where are you finding a wrecker that will even sell you secondhand brake lines? Give me his number so I can have him shut down Wreckers are prohibited from selling second hand lines because their condition is not assesable visually.

If $200 for a proper BL and $90 for brakelines are outside your budget then don't dont do the mods, you can't afford them. It's that simple.

*rant off*

Off the record, I am sure that many of our cars have all sorts of dodgy/temporary fixes, but if we know they are dodgy then we shoudln't be getting on here and talking them up, or as I said from the outset, at least do it with a disclaimer. Not eveyone can tell the difference between bootyfab and doing it properly just by reading a post.

Steve.

If you take the time to read what I have written then you will understand that I am using all the original parts from a Jimny Body Mount and reversing it then using the ORIGINAL washer and a Sierra rubber body mount to space it so its not metal on metal , the front is removed and replaced with a longer bolt and a Nylon derivitave 2" body block with an internal steel crush sleeve. So before you judge , and WAY before you ridicule any one (you wanker) read and understand what someone is explaining and ask questions if you dont understand. I am sorry Squik that is not directed at you , I would just say , "Officer it has 'Suzuki' stamped on it so its original equipment." (besides all the components used are suzuki original equipment except the correct optional body block and bolt at the front) My point was that they are existing parts so it doesnt cost anything , just your time and know how.

PS where the HELL did you get the second hand brake lines bit , my Jimny has original equipment on it , 2005 SUZUKI JIMNY FLEX LINES their mounts have been repositioned to suit the lift and the suspension flex. If your talking about Drew then fine , but how do you know he is not buying them new. And how do you know that MY VEHICLE , or anyone elses is registered or not , maybe its used for competition or on private property as a farm vehicle. Shut your bloody "RANT OFF" and your mouth until you can get your facts very straight. Dickheads like you are why I dont usually post on here. LEARN TO READ !!

Must be that time of the month again

cityview wrote:If you take the time to read what I have written

I never said you had second hand brake lines, only a dubious BL. However, the same logic that says that anything with a suzuki part number on it, regardless of how it is used, must be good applies to using swift lines to save $90

There are plenty of people (and in fact even workshops) that have fitted second hand brake lines to road driven cars on the grounds that they will be fine because they have a suzuki part number on them.

If you are happy with your BL, then fine, that's up to you, but just because it has stock parts in it doesn't make it right, and just because you are happy with it doesn't neccessarily mean that you should be promoting it on this site. or that it makes you immune from criticism for doing so.

I get pissed off when 90% of posts on this site seem to be about how to do something cheaply, how XXX brand name part is overpriced, too expensive etcetc and how some arrangement of unknown parts is just as good and costs nothing etc.

A) We are playing around with important safety systems here
B) lots of people who know relatively little about cars read posts on this site and will try ideas without understanding what they are doing.

Posting a cheap idea will inevitably lead to somone trying it and, they may well end up with a very unsafe outcome- the person that posted the idea, doesn't have to take any reponsibility for that.

I too reversed body rubbers to get a small BL in my first Sierra. I wasn't happy with it, so I figured out how to make a proper BL. As a result, I won't recommend reversing rubbers to anyone, nor will I post up workarounds for mods that are cheap to do properly, like BL's.

Steve.

Well you obviously have done your homework , NOT. Keep your sierra experiences to yourself. As far as a Jimny is concerned you cannot do a 2" body lift without a) modifying (cutting down) the body blocks or b) cutting away and replacing the bolts welded to the body and engineering something longer to suit the aftermarket 2" body blocks. Its not as simple as a sierra of which I have done plenty. As far as brake lines are concerned why are mine so dubious? Have you seen them? Do you know what I have done? NO !! I linked my car profile in Jimny.se via my post for people to read and look at the pics and decide for themselves. We all have a brain , if we want to do someting we will and if I can give some input that will stop someone making a mistake and spending a whole lot of money on something that WONT work , well thats my perogative. Who are you to be the Post Police. You have made a lot of generalised statements and accusations and personally I think you are out of your depth. Maybe you should keep your detective work regarding peoples posted suggestions to the sierra stuff.

can i borrow your crystal ball so i can judge & flame people from a great distance too

its a bit hard to judge something without seeing it.
this garbage started over a bodylift option that pete seems happy with

you started the brakelines bit steve
a pair of new front swift lines are cheaper than $90 but if you have some second hand lines that are in good condition why not use them.
like the ones that come with a swift when you buy it for the motor ,for instance.

steve from the way i see it .from what your saying everyone should replace their brake lines unless they have a brand new car.

any qualified mech should be able to visually inspect a brakeline as it is a part of their job on every service & roadworthy/pinkslip/whatever .
its in most service schedules have a look.
i would also check it again fitted & under pressure & if at all suss toss them.

whats more of a problem than faulty second hand brakelines is any longer brakelines poorly fitted & chaffing damaging them..


i think most people realize that just because its on the internet doesn't make it true & should know if they don't understand something its probably not the best idea to mess with it.
if you want to rant about a subject you brought up go yell at the mirror,as for the disclaimer not a bad idea

You are entitled to your opinion, but this is a forum and you have to be prepared that others will disagree with it. I happen to, and don't support the use of stacked/reversed rubbers to body lift a car. ANY car.

I may not be a jimny guru, but that doesn't mean I can't defend the opinion that reversed/stacked blocks are unsound, regardless of the car.

I think that's the point you're missing. I'm not having a go at you personally or denying the need to BL a jimny, I'm just saying that reversed/stacked/ rubber doesn't constitue a safe BL. If there was actually no other way of doing it (which isn't the case) then that would mean that the Jimny can't be BL'ed, not that a dodgy method becomes sound just because it is too hard to do it another way.

Post some photos of your body lift setup and let members of this forum decide. I cannot find a link to your build up or relevant photos.

Years ago, everyone said you couldn't BL a sierra without reversing rubbers and using box section. I believed them and did this too, but I wasn't happy with it, but box section body lifts were all that were available for sierras. I opposed them (and still do) - not only because I actually saw a body come off a chassis and disconnect the steering, on a shop bought BL- so I made an engineerable, safe, solution. Socket bolt kits are now common.

I have been involved in some pretty rigorous debate over my time on here. I am willing to stand by what I do and the way I believe cars should be built. Calling me a wanker or a dickhead certainly because I disagree with you doesn't add weight to your case.

I never, ever, ever mentioned YOUR brake lines, but did comment that stacked body rubbers are a cheap and nasty solution, and implied that this is the same tightar$e approach as using second hand brake lines.

PS If the sierra body rubber elements were replaced with a nylon or aluminium spacer, wouldn't that be preferable?

Steve.

If I wanted to see kids name calling I'd be spending more time on Pirate. If you can't deal with a different opinion without resorting to such immaturity maybe a different playground might suit you better.

cityview wrote:I linked my car profile in Jimny.se via my post for people to read and look at the pics and decide for themselves. .

where have you done this? I want to have a look and form my own opinion on this. Just post the pics for people to see

Just a couple of quick points:

1. The sale of second hand brake lines from auto parts dismantlers is not allowed. During the wrecking process lines may be over stretched therefore damaging the non-visible portions of the hose. This is much the same as the sale of second hand undeployed air bags in the US, its a big no no.

2. Will anyones engineer sign off stacked body rubbers? Mine won't, but he will sign off actual body lift blocks (sierra), should blocks not be an option he said don't body lift it.

3. Flaming will not be tollerated in the Zook section, so play nice. If you want to discuss tech, it can be done here. I have a delete button for everything else.

James
Your friendly neighborhood moderator.

good one aids look what you started,
did you get anything out of all that?

QUOTE

"Pics of the City-View 'little blue jimny' are on the Jimny.se site linked in an above post. "

From my first post.

GwagenSteve so your in the 4x4 supply industry , that explains everything , youy just want to sell your products.

DO YOU DO A BODY LIFT FOR A JIMNY ??

Please link where you can get it from with diagrams and pics..........

PJ

cityview wrote:QUOTE

"Pics of the City-View 'little blue jimny' are on the Jimny.se site linked in an above post. "

From my first post.

how about giving the actual link as "little blue jimny on the Jimny.se site is not very helpful

Steve I didnt call you a wanker or a dickhead because you dissagreed , it was how you did it and how you refered to me. If you had dissagreed in the same manner as your last post , I would not have had an issue with you or your opinion. Refering to my brakelines as being substandard as a shot at my build (as I am an engineer) was un called for. My car is linked in the members section of Jimny.se for all to see. I dont use photobucket or alike so i cant put pics here. I can email them too you if you can post them. I did a long and arduous search for body lift info for my last Jimny , which ended up lifted like I have done this one and was then subsequently rolled and written off. I would call that sufficient crash testing. lol Kidding! The body lift I was supplied was for a sierra and didnt fit. It cost me a lot of time and money. However I came up with my solution which is nothing like a sierra lift. As the bolts on the Jimny are part of the Body (welded to it) the reversal only supports the Body. Its all still encapulated in one piece to the chassis via the body/bolt and the nut and washer. Opposed to the alloy option this option still allows the chassis and body to flex independantly so no cracking occurs. Have a good look at a Jimny again and you will see what I mean. The small 1/4 inch std rubber body block off a sierra acts as a rubber spacer between the chassis mount and the end of the bolt original washer and nut. I have replaced the original washers on mine with bigger and stronger ones as the original ones were bent before I did the body lift. If you read the Jimny.se site members section which I mention to all above you will also read that my car is used on private property (and is now unregistered) so hence all can decide if my mod will suit them in their situation or not.

I hope that clears the air

Peter

Isnt that what search is for. I will go get the exact link for you. I am not a computer GEEK so all I know is how to cut and paste.

http://www.jimny.se/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=433

Just re read that thread and NOTE the body lift was done after those Pics. As I said in my first post the link was just for some pics of my car not the build up or the body lift. I hope this ends any confusion. If you want more info on what I have done for CONSTRUCTIVE purposes then please contact me directly.

Peter

being in the members section you need to be logged in as a member to view the pics, that's why I couldn't find the link

So a Jimminy has captive body studs?

Just like a vitara/sierra?

***note: excuse my lack of Jimminy knowledge.

Refering to Jimny.se and grimbo's comment above. "Do you , I didnt know that................"

I dont know about Vitara , but all the sierras I have had you can undo the nut and remove the lot , nut washer and bolt , Yes the Jimny has got captive bolts , well described.