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engine swap
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:11 pm
by ferguson
hey all,
well it's getting close to engine swap time. i've been scrolling through a few old threads on the subject looking for any suppliers of applause swaps, but haven't seen too many mentioned. can anyone point me in the direction of a supplier or 2 that i can ring? i'm in sydney.
also, does anyone know the correct model applause engine, re. bolt patterns etc, that would fit my 93 SXll ??
finally, can anyone reccommend a mechanic etc, who would be capable of doing the work?
not after much am i
thaks heaps
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:45 pm
by Goatse.AJ
Give Ichiban (sp?) in Sydney a call. They should be able to advise re the bolt pattern too.
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:52 pm
by ferguson
...yeah, got ichibahn from one of your old threads AJ, thanks... you happy with your swap??
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:03 pm
by Goatse.AJ
Yep, prolly gotta do another inthe next year or so though.... I haven't been kind to this motor, but it's held up extremely well.
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:43 am
by MightyMouse
any HD engine will do.... NOT HC as they are 1.3 ltr
From your old engine you will need.
pulleys ( Applauses use 2 x Polly Vee... )
Block water inlet and outlet
Sump and pickup
inlet and exhaust manifolds complete ( DONT USE APPLAUSE INTAKE )
Flywheel and clutch
Aircon stuff / altenator / powersteer
Engine mounts
Temp senders - ( hav'nt use Applause ones but could be fine )
Dipstick tube and dipstick
Distributor ( depends on Applause model - so use Feroza )
Flywheel to crank bolts if Appluase is an auto ( manual - longer ? )
Altenator mount ( depends on Appluase )
Apart form the camshaft the engine cores are the same so wll all
bolt up with little pain.
Prices - Applause from "self serve" wrecker $120 but you have to
find / select / remove - or pay to have removed ($150)
From wrecker $1000 seems common
A common source of newer engines - its not really a conversion !
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:25 am
by cj
MightyMouse wrote:any HD engine will do.... NOT HC as they are 1.3 ltr
From your old engine you will need.
pulleys ( Applauses use 2 x Polly Vee... )
Block water inlet and outlet
Sump and pickup
inlet and exhaust manifolds complete ( DONT USE APPLAUSE INTAKE )
Flywheel and clutch
Aircon stuff / altenator / powersteer
Engine mounts
Temp senders - ( hav'nt use Applause ones but could be fine )
Dipstick tube and dipstick
Distributor ( depends on Applause model - so use Feroza )
Flywheel to crank bolts if Appluase is an auto ( manual - longer ? )
Altenator mount ( depends on Appluase )
Apart form the camshaft the engine cores are the same so wll all
bolt up with little pain.
Prices - Applause from "self serve" wrecker $120 but you have to
find / select / remove - or pay to have removed ($150)
From wrecker $1000 seems common
A common source of newer engines - its not really a conversion !
You'd know
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:24 pm
by ferguson
...just rang ichiban, nothing in stock
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:35 pm
by Goatse.AJ
Make sure you tell anybody you call that you're after an Applause motor. I found that most of the people I called instantly replied "no" when I mentioned Feroza, but changed tack when I said Applause.
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:42 pm
by MightyMouse
CJ - Its a piece of knowledge that I am not sure I really want to know.
Still needs must when.......
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:31 pm
by murcod
MightyMouse wrote:any HD engine will do.... NOT HC as they are 1.3 ltr
From your old engine you will need.
pulleys ( Applauses use 2 x Polly Vee... )
Distributor ( depends on Applause model - so use Feroza )
Some Ferozas use a V pulley - eg. mine!
What's the difference with the distributor? IMHO you should try to stick with the Applause one because the advance curve is different and matches the different cam.
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:48 pm
by ferguson
...rang a guy who has one for $1300 with a 12mth unlimited kms warranty... worth it??
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:24 pm
by murcod
ferguson wrote:...rang a guy who has one for $1300 with a 12mth unlimited kms warranty... worth it??
Check carefully what the warranty covers..... it might be worthless...
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:18 am
by Goatse.AJ
I kept the Applause dizzy on my new motor. Only time she's pinged was a 45 deg day with really cr@p fuel.... no premium available where i filled up.
The old motor pinged on even mildly warm days with premium fuel.
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:40 am
by MightyMouse
Some Applauases had distributors with electronic timing control via
another seperate ECU so this comment was just to be safe.
There are also timing differences between some models - effects
vary deping mostly on RPM. With 31's a selected Applause disy was better
than stock - less ping.
As for pulleys - mine has a combination of a V for altenator & water pump
pollyvee for powersteering.
The Applauses that I have seen are dual pollyvee and have
different pulley ratios so they might undercool / undercharge if you
do lots of low speed work - ie they are optimised for road use.
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:28 pm
by murcod
Hmmm... a seperate computer for the ignition! Have you got any more details- I'd love to dispose of my "weights, springs and vaccum chambers" distributor.
Mine has the V and flat ribbed belt too. I know some Ferozas have got two ribbed belts (which was what I thought you were referring to.)