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Just wondering what people do in the case of fitting a non air bag bar to an air bag vehicle?

Has anyone run into problems with insurance or Roadworthiness of the vehicle??

Alison wrote:Just wondering what people do in the case of fitting a non air bag bar to an air bag vehicle?

Has anyone run into problems with insurance or Roadworthiness of the vehicle??

was the air bag standard on that vehicle or an option? I dont know wicxh ones had it standard, i would think all ST's had them as my 99 ST has one. I know DX didnt in early ones but i dont know when it changed.

I have a 1998 ST Wagon with an Air Bag, not sure if it's a factory option, but and a friend at work has an 1999 DX Wagon 2.8T/D without airbags. Mine was originally a 2.8T/D also.

Wanting to know if anyone has had issues with disconnecting the airbag?

Buy an airbag compliant bar. It amazes me that anyone would want to disconnect a truly life saving device. What is your life worth in an accident? I see the lives saved and watch people walk away from horrendous accidents daily at work, spend the extra.

I'm not asking whether to buy an airbag bar or not.

I'm asking if anyone has had experience in doing this? And if they have had any complications with it? Whether it be insurance, roadworthiness ect.

it is illegal to disconnect an airbag from an airbag equipped vehicle. I also think it maybe illegal to put a non air bag compatible bar onto an air bag vehicle as you are in effect rendering it ineffective.

why dont ya rip the seatbelts out while you at it

Why the hell would you wonder!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats just dumb.

Alison has asked a legitimate question and just wanted some answers.

Knowing the use for the truck I would consider doing the same.

I hit a cut tree in excess of 70km/h with my GQ and the seat belts and other safety devices such as Bull Bar did the job.

I consider her a 4wd Expert, not like many on this site who haven't done one tenth of what she has.

My 2c, so does anyone have a correct answer for her?

yeah I did answer it above. Also why doesn't she ask any of the legal people where she works as they will tell her the same thing

LOCKEE wrote:Alison has asked a legitimate question and just wanted some answers.

Knowing the use for the truck I would consider doing the same.

I hit a cut tree in excess of 70km/h with my GQ and the seat belts and other safety devices such as Bull Bar did the job.

I consider her a 4wd Expert, not like many on this site who haven't done one tenth of what she has.

My 2c, so does anyone have a correct answer for her?

The person who would know about this is GuJohnno as he had a similar patrol to mine as it was an 03 TD42ti, he disconnected his air bag however i cant remember the exact answer he gave but it was allowed by his insurance company and he wouldnt have done this just for the sake of doing so.

So if he can shed some light on this matter or find his username and send him a pm...

For the uneducated people out there posting opionion's keep them to yourself.

grimbo wrote:it is illegal to disconnect an airbag from an airbag equipped vehicle. I also think it maybe illegal to put a non air bag compatible bar onto an air bag vehicle as you are in effect rendering it ineffective.

Send a PM to GUjohnno, he body lifted he GU wagon and then had the Air bag disabled via disconnecting the battery then removing the fuse after a certin amount of time.
He then spoke to his insurance company and they listed it on his policy that it was no longer active.

cheers.

Grant

insurance company approval and legality aren't the same thing. has it been approved by VicRoads?

Go ahead and do it then if the insurance company says its fine, they aren't the ones who will defect your vehicle. Seriously why would anyone resort to asking an internet forum for legality questions. Everyone has an opinion or a mate of a mate's next door dog walker who once did it. Just talk to the people who make the rules about it, like VicRoads or an engineer

LOCKEE wrote:Alison has asked a legitimate question and just wanted some answers.

Knowing the use for the truck I would consider doing the same.

I hit a cut tree in excess of 70km/h with my GQ and the seat belts and other safety devices such as Bull Bar did the job.

I consider her a 4wd Expert, not like many on this site who haven't done one tenth of what she has.

My 2c, so does anyone have a correct answer for her?

Well maybe she should explain the reasons before asking a question like this because only an idiot would say "yes disconnect your airbags you will be fine."

Either way disconnceting a saftey devise is illegal as is fitting a non air bag compatable bullbar to a 4wd with air bags.

Cheers Mick.

Sorry if I offended anyone, but it was a legitimate question with a purpose. Just like GUJohno achieved the previous thought impossible, an insured GU with factory Airbag Body Lift Custom Bar and insurance cover.

LOCKEE wrote:Sorry if I offended anyone, but it was a legitimate question with a purpose. Just like GUJohno achieved the previous thought impossible, an insured GU with factory Airbag Body Lift Custom Bar and insurance cover.

you keep on about it being insured which is fine but what have VicRoads said about it. Is it legal as insuring something isn't the same as having it declared legal or engineered.

My Sierra had 34" Swampers insured but they actually aren't road legal.

Ditto beadlocks - LJextreems beadlocks were on his insurance policy but aren't road legal.

It MIGHT be possible to get approval for the airbag disconnected.

My Cooper S has the driver's side bag removed as I have changed the seat. This is technically illegal, but BMW have ADR approved the car with the side bag deactivated to allow for the sparco seats fitted as part of the JCW performance package.

As such, I contacted BMW, they reprogrammed the body computer to not see the bag, issued a warning sticker with "Airbag Deactivated" and provded supporting paperwork indicating the car still meets the applicable ADR's with the airbag removed.

Nissan may be able to issue a document supporting that t he DX model meets all the same ADR's as the ST and so an ST woudl still meet ADR's with the bag removed/deactivated.

Alternatively, an engineer might issue a cert for this as.

I vote with contact nissan. Failing that, go to an engineer.

Without supporting ADR paperwork, it is illegal to remove/disable any safety equipment.

Just my 2C

Sorry if anyone thinks this is unhelpful, but I don't think many people have legally removed a bag, regardless of car.

Steve.

The only way you can disconect the air bag is if That model came out with and without airbags. ( EG VS commodore )

To do it you need to have it engineered and find and insurance company that will insure you as when most of them hear you have diconnected the air bag they will run.

I just dont get why so many people want to skrew with airbags.


Its as simple as this, You put a Non Airbag bar on a car with an airbag ( wether or not you still have the airbag ).

You have and accident / run someone over, They die.

The cops / insurance works out what you have done.

Your car is now has no rego as its a Illegal modifaction.

Also its now uninsured.

So you were driving a uninsured un registered vechile and you killed someone.

Well guess wht your now going to jail. All because your a tight arse and wanted to do something dodgey.

Hope you like being someones biatch.

If your going to do it do it properly.

Nick

And before any web wheelers want to have a winge the is the law in NSW.

I get paid to research this stuff so dont come to me with But such and such did it.

As far as GuJonno ? and him getting it insured I will bet you $100- if he has a bad accident he's insurance company will throw him out of the pan in to the fire.

Nick

Send a PM to GUjohnno, he body lifted he GU wagon and then had the Air bag disabled via disconnecting the battery then removing the fuse after a certin amount of time.
He then spoke to his insurance company and they listed it on his policy that it was no longer active.

Its all here.

http://carl.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopi ... 7&start=30

from a rego check point of view it is a fail if the airbag light is on whether it is disconnected or has a fault! thats in nsw. i have the rule book.

from a rego check point of view it is a fail if the airbag light is on whether it is disconnected or has a fault! This is the same in vic.

For the uneducated people out there posting opionion's keep them to yourself. opinions are like ar#eholes, we all have them, if someone asks a question they are bound to get people who disagree with them along with those who agree, kinda like 1 vs 100, it's up to you if you choose the mob.

Back to the beginning, are you doing a body lift with this?, is it simply because it is the bar you currently own?

Is it a comp only vehicle?, if so you could do what you want, but by the sounds of it is you want to drive it on the road, therefore in your own interest why would you not want the added safety of the airbag for you or someone you know who is driving your car.

i know none of us plan to have an accident, and the most common thing people say to me is "i can't believe it happened to me" when i'm taking them to hospital.

At the end of the day you will do as you choose, and good luck with it.

Thanks for the info about GU Johnno.

That was the kind of info I was after.

Yes I have spoken to an engineer about this.

It's none of your business why I'm asking the question, just wanted to know if anyone had experienced this.

I would appriciate if everyone who had an opinion of the situation to keep it to yourselves and stop wasting your own and my time by posting.

All I asked was a question wanting an answer, I don't need to explain why, where, who and for what purpose expecially on a forum.

Thank you Lockee and Weeman and for those that gave constructive answers.

Regards
Alison

If you cant handle people giving there opinion dont post on outers.

The sensors for the airbags are in with the CPU and the fitment of non aproved bar work should have no effect what so ever.

GUJohnno wrote:The sensors for the airbags are in with the CPU and the fitment of non aproved bar work should have no effect what so ever.

Should is a big call when it could end up with your arse in jail.

It dosent make a differance if you think it will / willnot affect the airbag sensitivity (sp?) its illegal to do unless engineered.

GUJohnno wrote:The sensors for the airbags are in with the CPU and the fitment of non aproved bar work should have no effect what so ever.

The front end of modern cars fitted with SRS systems and crumple zones are designed to react to crashs a certain way. Fitting non-standard/non-airbag compatible barwork alters the way the vehicle deforms in a accident, which alters the way the srs system may react. Disconecting an srs system (or even having an SRS faultlight on) is an instant roadworth fail, and regardless of insurance or not, if your car is not roadworthy then its insurance is null and void in the event of a accident.

Layto....

Alison wrote:Thanks for the info about GU Johnno.

That was the kind of info I was after.

Yes I have spoken to an engineer about this.

It's none of your business why I'm asking the question, just wanted to know if anyone had experienced this.

I would appriciate if everyone who had an opinion of the situation to keep it to yourselves and stop wasting your own and my time by posting.

All I asked was a question wanting an answer, I don't need to explain why, where, who and for what purpose expecially on a forum.

Thank you Lockee and Weeman and for those that gave constructive answers.

Regards
Alison

ask on a public forum expect to get opinions. The why also can help with the answer. everything that was given was constructive but may not have been what you wanted to hear.

holeyhardtop wrote:Buy an airbag compliant bar. It amazes me that anyone would want to disconnect a truly life saving device. What is your life worth in an accident? I see the lives saved and watch people walk away from horrendous accidents daily at work, spend the extra.

not disagreeing with you totally, but the other day we let one off (out of the car) and man id rather get whiplash... it lifted the steer wheel off the ground about 2 feet.. massive explosion... i wouldnt want that in my face...

I have spoken to an engineer and providing the steering columns are the same for Air Bag and Non Air Bag GU Patrols (which they are, there is no change between models up until 02/00), they can be disconnected without affecting roadworthiness and without needing an engineers report.

It's like fitting a 4.8L Petrol to a 3.0L Turbo Diesel, you don't need an engineers report because that motor was available in the same model vehicle. It's just a matter of going to Vic Roads to change the engine numbers.

Interesting hey.