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Thinking of buying it as a base for a light weight camper for the zook.
Can't be sure wether I looking at steel, galv or wood?
Can't tell if it has lights.
It says 1and3/4" tow ball, can I still get theses?
I suppose I could ask, but don't wanna get the seller too excited

christover

That thing looks old. Cross ply spare is antique. Looks to be all steel construction (painted).
Dunno about NSW & Vic but here in Qld some of the rules are: 50mm ball. Seven pin round plug. Reflectors, red rear- orange side - white front. Tyre placard.

want33s wrote:That thing looks old. Cross ply spare is antique. Looks to be all steel construction (painted).
Dunno about NSW & Vic but here in Qld some of the rules are: 50mm ball. Seven pin round plug. Reflectors, red rear- orange side - white front. Tyre placard.

Its going to be hacked and lifted and altered, with 15" x 31" tyres etc etc, so don't matter much..but all steel would be preferable....gotta paint it frog green anyway ) and put some decent (non trailer) lights and whatever comes up.

but If price goes higher, won't bother.
Hoping axle/hubs etc are up to bigger meat.

christover

Other than changing the hitch, it looks pretty good. Looks glavanised from what I can see.

IMHO I would make an axle that takes sierra front spindles so you have spare bearings with you all the time. (and spare locking hubs etc can be on the trailer.

Most old trailers just run holden spindles/bearings- IMHO not up to 31's and off road use.

Steve.

Looks steel to me. (maybe Gal, can't tell for the paint).

I've thought about building a trailor to take camping, and I agree with Steve, as much stuff interchangable with the tow vehicle the better. However I was thinking along the lines of a modified Sierra rear tub into a matching tarilor body; with Sierra rear springs, on a axle with Sierra hubs bearings (maybe even Sierra discs, too far?) etc, with matching wheels to my car. Also give the trailor the same lights as the Sierra. But I'm possessed by a fussy demon.

For current bid of $61, I reckon that would be worth a go.

Trailers run up VERY high on ebay, if you miss it keep your eye out for parts and build one.

sierrajim wrote:Trailers run up VERY high on ebay, if you miss it keep your eye out for parts and build one.

I've found a few 2nd handies at prices higher than I can get a new one for. Go figure

I'll keep it simple and cheap to get started, thus I'll redrill or replace hubs to suit sierra wheels, using the axle with it. When I'm sure I like its general concept, then I will most likely go sierra front stubs and sierra springs etc. See how we go.

The small hitch bothers me a tad, but I may also run a new full length draw bar with a 50mm ball ...Tho I like treg couplings, its unlikely for now

I best get on with tow bar and lights plug, in case I'm successful

Hitches for 50mm balls are cheap from supercrap. - I have one at home that was (I think) about $40, and that was a dearer one.

I don't think 1.75" balls are legal any more, but as a trailer this size never has to be registered, noone will ever check.

PS Hitches shouldn't be welded to the drawbar. $10 says this one is, so I would just cut it off nayway and bolt on a new hitch.

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:Hitches for 50mm balls are cheap from supercrap. - I have one at home that was (I think) about $40, and that was a dearer one.

I don't think 1.75" balls are legal any more, but as a trailer this size never has to be registered, noone will ever check.

PS Hitches shouldn't be welded to the drawbar. $10 says this one is, so I would just cut it off nayway and bolt on a new hitch.

Steve.

I remember buying one for my Moke Camper trailer (It was a converted lifted widenened track version of a motorcycle camper)
It was much cheaper than I thought.

It may need to be reg'd if taken over the border.

PS it will probably be a spoa conversion

christover1 wrote:
It may need to be reg'd if taken over the border.

PS it will probably be a spoa conversion

Can't see why you would need to reg it in vic if it goes over a border.

If you SPOA it, you'll have to reg it in NSW though

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote: If you SPOA it, you'll have to reg it in NSW though
Steve.

If you are planning on fixing up an old trailer and you want to Sierra-ise it you will be looking at new hubs, wheels, axle, springs?, u-bolts, hitch, lights etc... Why not start from scratch?
Everybody use to make box trailers out of bed frames, 2" angle and box it with more 2" angle. Cheap, easy and strong.. Don't get carried away making it too strong(IE heavy) as Suzi's can't legally tow much anyway (550Kg I think)
Have a look at a jet ski trailer, It's amazing what is possible with bugger all 50x25x2mm steel.

want33s wrote:If you are planning on fixing up an old trailer and you want to Sierra-ise it you will be looking at new hubs, wheels, axle, springs?, u-bolts, hitch, lights etc... Why not start from scratch?
Everybody use to make box trailers out of bed frames, 2" angle and box it with more 2" angle. Cheap, easy and strong.. Don't get carried away making it too strong(IE heavy) as Suzi's can't legally tow much anyway (550Kg I think)
Have a look at a jet ski trailer, It's amazing what is possible with bugger all 50x25x2mm steel.

I agree, if it gets too high, starting from scratch may be better.
These things are bugger all tech to build. I can't weld, but I can bolt together nearly anything.

http://www.easytrailer.com.au/

http://www.easytrailer.com.au/

You should have said you were also looking at one of those. I believe Coles also sell them, but they are $2 each depending on if you are in a dodgy suburb or not.

Safeway also have them, but the Aldi ones are rubbish

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:http://www.easytrailer.com.au/

You should have said you were also looking at one of those. I believe Coles also sell them, but they are $2 each depending on if you are in a dodgy suburb or not.

Safeway also have them, but the Aldi ones are rubbish

Steve.

I think they be fine for intended purpose, but how many people will push beyond and bend it in the middle

So are shopping trollies mate, but when you push them down hills with three drunk mates in them it all ends in tears.

Ps I don' think their "intended purpose" is yours though either!

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:So are shopping trollies mate, but when you push them down hills with three drunk mates in them it all ends in tears.

Ps I don' think their "intended purpose" is yours though either!

Steve.

Me either, but worth a look and learn, they may have some ideas that be useful in my project..

christover1 wrote:
I agree, if it gets too high, starting from scratch may be better.
These things are bugger all tech to build. I can't weld, but I can bolt together nearly anything.

http://www.easytrailer.com.au/

Don't even think about those bolt together chinese crapcarriers. Buy yourself a welder and teach yourself to use it. I guarantee this is a skill you will not regret learning. Don't say you can't afford it, I've seen ARC's in my local paper for $25.

Missed out on the 5x3, atthe last minute it skyrocketed.
Would have been ok at $60 but not at $160.
Too much needed doing.

I've now bid on an axle and bits, see what happens.

I realised altho I want a very small trailer, I still need an axle width to suit zook. With my zooks widened stance a 6x4 box would be a better axle width.
So I'll try to grab this axle for fitting to a smaller trailer.
If I get it, the springs would need softening.

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I found these guy to be well priced, I got an axle, F100 hubs, hitch etc to rebuilt an old camper.
http://stores.ebay.com.au/Spinny-Things ... idZ2QQtZkm

hyzook wrote:I found these guy to be well priced, I got an axle, F100 hubs, hitch etc to rebuilt an old camper.
http://stores.ebay.com.au/Spinny-Things ... idZ2QQtZkm

I been coming across a few of thier ads, pretty good deals, almost not worth buying 2nd hand stuff really

Just go down the local trailer joint and buy a bare chassis (no paint, topbox etc)
With trailer manufactures everwhere now it's a competative market so prices are cheap
You can get a new 6x4 for a few hundred so a chassis gotta only be worth a couple hundred
Supply your own wheels of course

fool_injected wrote:Just go down the local trailer joint and buy a bare chassis (no paint, topbox etc)
With trailer manufactures everwhere now it's a competative market so prices are cheap
You can get a new 6x4 for a few hundred so a chassis gotta only be worth a couple hundred
Supply your own wheels of course

When I 1st started looking I found a brand new 6x4 light weight for $450, so yes they are gettin cheap.

I'd be best off not to make my own chassis, so thats a good thought

Crap load easier

fool_injected wrote:Crap load easier

yes, and often cheaper, as they get stuff in bulk and have right tools

Now at least I have an axle, overstiff springs and a pair of hubs (not sure about u bolts but ) for the strange but good sum of AU $61.01
It was $56 for ages, somebody must have had a last minute try.

Nearly finished mounting a tow bar.
I guess a trailer plug should be next.

Any thoughts on 7 5 round flat etc? they were all the same last trailer I built.

christover

i went the 7 pin round on mine. easyst for hire trailers and the like.

nicbeer wrote:i went the 7 pin round on mine. easyst for hire trailers and the like.

cool, then they must be most common, which is best I reckon.
Cheaper than the flat ones, too. I guess they are for big vans with fridges, electric brakes and stuff.
7 will do, as the 5 left me with no reverse, or no extra power wire.
thanks
christover

christover1 wrote:Now at least I have an axle, overstiff springs and a pair of hubs (not sure about u bolts but ) for the strange but good sum of AU $61.01
It was $56 for ages, somebody must have had a last minute try.

Nearly finished mounting a tow bar.
I guess a trailer plug should be next.

Any thoughts on 7 5 round flat etc? they were all the same last trailer I built.

christover

7 Pin round Chris. They seem to be the most reliable. Just mount it as far away from mud as possible (hard to do on Frog i know)

perhaps it would be more cost effective to look at a removable roof rack? Then you can have Safari Frog.

sierrajim wrote: perhaps it would be more cost effective to look at a removable roof rack? Then you can have Safari Frog.

I had my Moke set up that way for a while.
Top heavy and wind drag became annoying.
When I went to a trailer behind, Moke went better, and I was more at ease.
I do like the roof top type tents, but it won't be long before its too hard to climb up, for me. (And my lady)

I'm thinkin roof top style tent, but on the trailer.