Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Been having a chat with my Engineer and thought I may pass on a little info. Apparently the Engineers will be having a sit down with VicRoads in July to try and sort out some issues with the NCOP. It seems that it will probably be legislated by the end of the year even though they have to abide by it now and Vic will add some extra regulations on top of it. Also the EPA will be cracking down on emissions and you may be ordered to have your vehicle tested. Things are tightening up.

Here comes the "sorry, you can't have this engine fitted to your car without a full emmissions test, your final drive ratio and tare weight is different to the donour vehicle the engine came from"

sierrajim wrote:Here comes the "sorry, you can't have this engine fitted to your car without a full emmissions test, your final drive ratio and tare weight is different to the donour vehicle the engine came from"

or the one that killed me. because my 5k was a Japaneses spec engine and documentation from Japan wasn't available it needed emissions testing costing about $3000. Even though there was a version available in Australia and even though Japaneses emissions are stricter than here

grimbo wrote:even though Japaneses emissions are stricter than here

You are right about everything except that.

If it could be demonstrated the new engine met stricter emissions then certing wouldn't be hard - which is why straight gas is OK as a conversion regardless of year.

Japanese emissions were typically pretty slack, which is part of the reason why SR20 silvias and GTR skylines never made it into the US, as an example, and had to be phased out, along with the series 8 RX-7

My 660 sierra motor runs no Catalytic converter, and no oxygen sensor (!) in factory form and I am quite sure all manner of whale harpooning seal choking junk will spew from it on part throttle. I wouldnt know the age of this motor but would guess early '90's.

Likewise, japanese diesels were always miles behind euro diesels on emissions.

Steve.

sierrajim wrote:Here comes the "sorry, you can't have this engine fitted to your car without a full emmissions test, your final drive ratio and tare weight is different to the donour vehicle the engine came from"

is the EPA the only ones that can do the emissions testing, or are there "agencies" that report to them?? time to get on board that one if you can!!! 1000's of cars comin your way at $3000 each!

Gwagensteve wrote:

grimbo wrote:even though Japaneses emissions are stricter than here

You are right about everything except that.

If it could be demonstrated the new engine met stricter emissions then certing wouldn't be hard - which is why straight gas is OK as a conversion regardless of year.

Japanese emissions were typically pretty slack, which is part of the reason why SR20 silvias and GTR skylines never made it into the US, as an example, and had to be phased out, along with the series 8 RX-7

My 660 sierra motor runs no Catalytic converter, and no oxygen sensor (!) in factory form and I am quite sure all manner of whale harpooning seal choking junk will spew from it on part throttle. I wouldnt know the age of this motor but would guess early '90's.

Likewise, japanese diesels were always miles behind euro diesels on emissions.

Steve.

Only going on the information given to me by VicRoads when I went to reregister the Zuk

bogged wrote:is the EPA the only ones that can do the emissions testing, or are there "agencies" that report to them

No, agencies do it for them.

The car is run in a cell on a dyno and follows a drive cycle, as per new cars. This takes some time.

All tailpipe emissions are analysed. (Not just C0) I seem to recall that the air in the dyno cell is analysed too to confirm that all emissions are captured and burned, (confirming PCV operation etc)

Bear in mind that the fuel tank forms part of emissions control too, so depending on how the fuel system is set up, vapour control has to be checked. (if the whole evap system comes from an australian delivered model you can get around this.)

I think the best price I have heard is about $2400 excluding the evaporative system.

Here's the catch.... if you fail, you pay each time until it passes.

One of the reasons cited by engineers to deny a particular conversion is that weight and aerodynamics are different between the vehicles but an ADR emissions test can't take this into account The dyno doesn't know how aerodynamic the car is.

My guess is that as per normal, if an engineer doesn't like the conversion or the cut of your jib they might demand all sorts of stuff.

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:

grimbo wrote:even though Japaneses emissions are stricter than here

Japanese emissions were typically pretty slack, which is part of the reason why SR20 silvias and GTR skylines never made it into the US, as an example, and had to be phased out, along with the series 8 RX-7

Steve.

Skylines are a Jap market only car they have never been sold out side of Japan.

All skylines in other countries are all imports.

A lot of the early 90's jap cars were only made for the Jap market no where else, Japs use the euro emission rules.

The 2008 Skyline is the first Skyline to be made the world market.

That's the reason why they were never sold in the USA market, Japs are fussy about their cars and most of the ones sold in the USA are basicly shopping carts, quick money that way

zagan wrote:Skylines are a Jap market only car they have never been sold out side of Japan.

All skylines in other countries are all imports.

so the ones sold by Nissan aust in the early 70, 80, and 90's were... ?

zagan wrote:
Skylines are a Jap market only car they have never been sold out side of Japan.

All skylines in other countries are all imports.

A lot of the early 90's jap cars were only made for the Jap market no where else, Japs use the euro emission rules.

The 2008 Skyline is the first Skyline to be made the world market.

That's the reason why they were never sold in the USA market, Japs are fussy about their cars and most of the ones sold in the USA are basicly shopping carts, quick money that way

Sorry to hijack the thread but it is sort of relevant as lots of people look to import engines to repower their cars.

R32 Skyline GTR's were sold as new by nissan in the UK and Australia, I also believe Hong Kong, Singapore and possibly other asian markets.

The reason stated by Nissan as to why the GTR never made it to the US was emissions for the RB26 (same for the SR20DET)- however, the US market did receive the TT 300zx (it was specifically developed for the US market)

What evidence do you have that the Japanese used euro emission standards in the early 90's? I don't believe this to be the case.

Steve.