Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Guys,

I am after expressions of interest here..I have come across some cheap michelin tyres and wondering how many if any would be interested in a set, so I could do a group buy

The deal on these tyres is.. $500.00 each, but buy 4 and get the 5th free (thats the price if I buy 10 sets)

To give you a comparison the XZL Michelins in 24R21 retail for around the 1500.00 each mark...

I have not heard what exact sizes are available yet but the tyres are below. I am waiting on exact details of this deal, so will post the info as I get them. Not all these tyres are new, but they tell me that they are at least 90% with most more than that.


Michelin XL



Size , Load Range , Overall Diameter, Overall Width
6.50R16 , D
9.00R16 , D , 36.1 , 9.8
11.00R16 , E , 38.7 , 10.9
11.00R20 , H , 43.1 , 11.1
12.50R20 , F , 40.7 , 13.1
14.00R20 , J , 49.4 , 14.7
14.5R20 , L , 43.4 , 14.4
16.00R20 , J , 53.1 , 16
14.75/80R2 , J , 45.1 , 14.4
15.5/80R20 , J , 46.6 , 15.5



XML Michelin



Size , Load Range , Overall Diameter , Overall Width inches
325/85R16 , D , 38.7 , 12.9
12.00R20 , G , 44.5 , 12.2
14.00R20 , G , 49.5 , 15.1
395/85R20 , G , 46.7 , 15.4



XZL Michelin



Size , Load Range , Overall Diameter , Overall Width inches
6.50R16 , D
9.00R16 , D , 36.4 , 9.9
11.00R20 , , H , 43 , 11.8
16.00R20 , M , 52.9 , 17.2
14.00R20 , J , 49.5 , 15.1
335/80R20 , F , 40.7 , 13.3
365/80R20 , L , 43.1 , 14.6
365/85R20 , J , 45 , 14.5
395/85R20 , J , 46.8 , 15.3
24R21 , H , 54.6 , 23.9

you have a pm.

even on 3 psi these wont bag on anything short of a dump truck or franna crane

but cheap huge tyres

badger wrote:even on 3 psi these wont bag on anything short of a dump truck or franna crane

but cheap huge tyres

Not true .. have you seen the article in oneof the yank rags .. they are radials and have quite a reasonable thickness sidewall in em

Pm sent...

Can I make one suggestion..as I am in Sydney, freight on these may be expensive due to their 'bulk'

I would suggest that if there are a few of you from say Melbourne, then I can organise to ship the whole lot of tyres to one address and you pick them up from that person..may save you all a bit on freight.

Whats better for rocks XLs or XMLs? wasnt there a michelin that was a sticky compound, built for ice driving?


sydneys good for me. everytime i buy diffs, cars, tyres, motors etc they are either in qld, or victoria, and i have to do a weekend roadtrip. being in sydney is a first.



Andy.

Bit more info on these tyres
http://www.militarytires.com/

I would probably say the XL's are the better rock tyre, but for Oz where Mud is also prevalent then the XML's as they look like they would sel;f clean better. Mind you they also look noisier if thats a worry.

A mate of mine runs XML 11r 16 on his 80s has had em for at least 6 years they are the older 3 lug pattern and work great. They were replaced with thr new series 328/85r16

I could b interested if they are in a 35 or 37

Mock ran XML's in 325/85/16 for the first Oz-Rock in late 05 (his car, I was driving)

They are very heavy but gripped and flexed surprsingly well on Mocks light car. (But broke MQ CV's like twigs)

325/85's are marked with "legal for road use in Australia" on the sidewall - can't argue with that!

buy up guys!! I'm after a set of the XML's........ they look horn

Patrolden wrote:buy up guys!! I'm after a set of the XML's........ they look horn

hmmm xmls on the 70

Guys I am up to six sets so far..only 4 more and we get the discount..Thanks to everyone that has replied so far..

i used to fit michelin earthmover tyres and i see some potential probs with these tyres on a road going 4x4
1st prob is the extra weight aprox 25 kg over conventional 4x4 tyre the same size. alot more strain of bearings, axles, cv's etc
2nd/ far to rigid in the side wall for the weight of the vehicle e.g when suspension bottoms out the tyre is the next thing to soften the impact is the give in the side wall of the tyre. no give in the side wall so axle housings bend and thngs break.
don't want to be a downer but thought that these are points that you my not be aware of
at the end of the day it is up to you but these tyres are designed for 20 to 30 tonne equipment not 1 to 3 tonne 4x4's

Mayhem Mat wrote:i used to fit michelin earthmover tyres and i see some potential probs with these tyres on a road going 4x4
1st prob is the extra weight aprox 25 kg over conventional 4x4 tyre the same size. alot more strain of bearings, axles, cv's etc
2nd/ far to rigid in the side wall for the weight of the vehicle e.g when suspension bottoms out the tyre is the next thing to soften the impact is the give in the side wall of the tyre. no give in the side wall so axle housings bend and thngs break.
don't want to be a downer but thought that these are points that you my not be aware of
at the end of the day it is up to you but these tyres are designed for 20 to 30 tonne equipment not 1 to 3 tonne 4x4's

XMLs etc are not a new option for 4wdrives, they have being used my a heap of people, often with larger rigs as a road tyre, I need something other than the 44 boggers to run on the road anbd for a light trip, something like this is ideal, despite being a big commercial equipment tyre, and they would not be heavier imo than a 44 bogger

Mayhem Mat wrote:i used to fit michelin earthmover tyres and i see some potential probs with these tyres on a road going 4x4
1st prob is the extra weight aprox 25 kg over conventional 4x4 tyre the same size. alot more strain of bearings, axles, cv's etc
2nd/ far to rigid in the side wall for the weight of the vehicle e.g when suspension bottoms out the tyre is the next thing to soften the impact is the give in the side wall of the tyre. no give in the side wall so axle housings bend and thngs break.
don't want to be a downer but thought that these are points that you my not be aware of
at the end of the day it is up to you but these tyres are designed for 20 to 30 tonne equipment not 1 to 3 tonne 4x4's

I understand where your coming from but these are not earthmover tyres..are you thinking of their AG Spec tyres (such as XM47' or XMCL) , in which case thats quite true.

These three models are all considered their off road radials for soft ground, mud and sand and military use.

I agree, the 325 XML's whilst they are heavy, do flex fine. They bag alarmingly on an ASLAV (their intended application)

Michelin are renowned for soft, flexible tyres.

Steve.

PS Patrol42 i hope you didn't think I was ordering a set, I don't have anything even remotely big enough, but will spread the word about the 9.00X16's

Steve.

i stand corrected

Gwagensteve wrote:I agree, the 325 XML's whilst they are heavy, do flex fine. They bag alarmingly on an ASLAV (their intended application)

Michelin are renowned for soft, flexible tyres.

Steve.

PS Patrol42 i hope you didn't think I was ordering a set, I don't have anything even remotely big enough, but will spread the word about the 9.00X16's

Steve.

LOl no mate i didnt think that

Tiny wrote:and they would not be heavier imo than a 44 bogger

Yeah, they would be, they are insanely heavy.

I have a good friend that runs the 1100r16 (~39") XZL on an 80 series and after helping him change broken axle parts a few times and having to lift the wheels on and off it is unbelievable how heavy these things are. One of his 39's on a steel rim would be a good 10-15kg heavier than my 42" iroks on their steel beadlocked rims with an 8mm centre. My wheel/tyre combo comes in at 70.6kg per corner, so the 38-40" michelin sizes on a steel wheel will probably be up over 80.

I ran some ~37" XML's as a road tyre for a while years back and had to get rid of them because the weight of them made my brakes into a sad joke.

You won't beat the quality of these tyres, they make EVERYTHING else look sub-standard, they run quiet, they run cool, they work well in rocks, mud, snow and dirt, they last FOREVER, but they are real, real, heavy.

Sorry for the long post...

Wendle wrote:

Tiny wrote:and they would not be heavier imo than a 44 bogger

Yeah, they would be, they are insanely heavy.

I have a good friend that runs the 1100r16 (~39") XZL on an 80 series and after helping him change broken axle parts a few times and having to lift the wheels on and off it is unbelievable how heavy these things are. One of his 39's on a steel rim would be a good 10-15kg heavier than my 42" iroks on their steel beadlocked rims with an 8mm centre. My wheel/tyre combo comes in at 70.6kg per corner, so the 38-40" michelin sizes on a steel wheel will probably be up over 80.

I ran some ~37" XML's as a road tyre for a while years back and had to get rid of them because the weight of them made my brakes into a sad joke.

You won't beat the quality of these tyres, they make EVERYTHING else look sub-standard, they run quiet, they run cool, they work well in rocks, mud, snow and dirt, they last FOREVER, but they are real, real, heavy.

Sorry for the long post...

How much would a decent quaility alloy rim help in reducing the weight ?

love_mud wrote:

Wendle wrote:

Tiny wrote:and they would not be heavier imo than a 44 bogger

Yeah, they would be, they are insanely heavy.

I have a good friend that runs the 1100r16 (~39") XZL on an 80 series and after helping him change broken axle parts a few times and having to lift the wheels on and off it is unbelievable how heavy these things are. One of his 39's on a steel rim would be a good 10-15kg heavier than my 42" iroks on their steel beadlocked rims with an 8mm centre. My wheel/tyre combo comes in at 70.6kg per corner, so the 38-40" michelin sizes on a steel wheel will probably be up over 80.

I ran some ~37" XML's as a road tyre for a while years back and had to get rid of them because the weight of them made my brakes into a sad joke.

You won't beat the quality of these tyres, they make EVERYTHING else look sub-standard, they run quiet, they run cool, they work well in rocks, mud, snow and dirt, they last FOREVER, but they are real, real, heavy.

Sorry for the long post...

How much would a decent quaility alloy rim help in reducing the weight ?

hmmm, wouldnt have thought that

performace alloy have some good alloy options for strenght ot looks, not sure if they whould have them in a suitable size, but then again I am not sure the weight would be much different considering the overall weight of the tyre

the 11.00r16 WENDLE is speaking of are on 80s gxl rims n are half worn n weigh 68kg each we checked them last time we rotated them

nastytroll wrote:the 11.00r16 WENDLE is speaking of are on 80s gxl rims n are half worn n weigh 68kg each we checked them last time we rotated them

I would have thought that they would weigh in a bit more than that, still fawking heavy for a half gone, skinny radial tyre though
Within a few kg of a taller, wider, brand new, bias ply super swamper tyre on a stupidly heavy, beadlocked wheel.

Wendle wrote:

nastytroll wrote:the 11.00r16 WENDLE is speaking of are on 80s gxl rims n are half worn n weigh 68kg each we checked them last time we rotated them

I would have thought that they would weigh in a bit more than that, still fawking heavy for a half gone, skinny radial tyre though
Within a few kg of a taller, wider, brand new, bias ply super swamper tyre on a stupidly heavy, beadlocked wheel.

which as anyone who has tried lufing them around knows is fawkin heavy I thought 36 pedes on beadlocked rims were a PITA until I :oops:ot the boggers

why cant they make the XLs in a 35x12.5

Because they make them in a better size..... 36X10

I really can't think of a situation where a 35 12.5 would be better than a 9.00X16 XL offroad, especially on a heavy car like a GU

XL's have a fairly high wear rate though, but they are regroovable.

Steve.

but 10 is too narrow