Outer Limits 4x4 Board

I have been thinking about bringing a new class into our sport. to encourage closer racing and want to know your thoughts.
GQ RACING
GQ shorty / wagon or ute (must be what compliance plate states ie no cars cut to utes)
4.2 carby motors or td42 NO turbos at all , period, end of discussion!!!!
exhaust open ie extractors ect
no efi or forced induction
no NOS or gas on diesel
auto or manual allowed
std type winch bar, supplied by ARB ect
std warn winch , 12 volt with 6hp motor
2" suspension lift . 1 shocker per corner in original mounts
2 " body lift
controlled 35" tyre , (ie pro comp , simex . whoever gives the best deal)
4.6 diff gears with twin arb lockers\
guards cut to fit bigger tyres, the rest of body to remain standard
std steel panels only
trays are to full trays.( no buggy backs)
interior to remain std except for fitting of 6 point cage and aftermarket seats allowed
door trims ect must remain in the cars.
GQ diffs to remain
steering box is open.
all suspension arms are to be factory lengths, laminating is allowed must retain original type bushes
brakes to remain std.


the idea here is to allow for most the weekend worriers that have this set up now to come racing .and be competitive.
the cars will look stock and having winches,tyres, and bars as controlled we will get great prices and push for better sponsorship.

whats your thoughts?

if we get a good response i will talk to a couple of event organisers about it and the CCDA but if nobody wants it , it just cost a little bit of time , no harm

I like the idea of closer racing and the guys who dont want to build a dedicated comp truck have another competition they can enter.

The only problem for me personally is theres no way i would ever buy a petrol GQ.

If T/D were allowed then yeah it would be great but I wouldnt sell my truck to buy a petrol.

Otherwise good on you its great to see someone wanting to get more comps going. Good luck with it all.

Nick

Darren I reckon that is a top idea mate, good one. My only suggestion would be as said above need to work in a turbo diesel option, it could make it a can of worms in some ways, but there are a lot of people with TD42's turbo'd who would have a crack at this type of event. I guess I could bring myself to buy a TB42 to compete and have some fun tho.

Other than that I really like the concept and I think we need something like this so the average dude can race and not have to spend an absolute fortune to compete, let alone be competitive.

Cheers, Beretts

Yeah, My Datsun will comply.

beretta wrote: ...I think we need something like this so the average dude can race and not have to spend an absolute fortune to compete, let alone be competitive.

Cheers, Beretts

Thats what we need more of, something that brings the comps back to driver ability not vechile ability, which will open it up to more peole.

Nick

need the diesel option for sure pettys are crap
and most people i know would have to either down grade there trucks or build one to suit anyway due to most people that are even thinking about comps have already gone past stages of mods you are asking

Why not open it up to other models with similar controls.

Equivalent models from other brands, if anything, would have a disadvantage compared to the benchmark (patrol).

Also, maybe less control over the suspension lift heights, locker brands, ratio's, winch brand etc? But still keeping with the off-the-shelf theme.

EDIT: other models kind of defeats the purpose of a new class doesn't it

im with you darren, count me in

muduppig wrote:need the diesel option for sure pettys are crap
and most people i know would have to either down grade there trucks or build one to suit anyway due to most people that are even thinking about comps have already gone past stages of mods you are asking

the hole idea of no turbo deisel is so people dont turn up with 200rwkw deisels against carbys. what we want is a level playing feild ( ie carbys, no chops etc ) so we can bring the driver/navi skill back into it. how you win is to outdrive not outspend your competition. it is cheap option cause GQ's pop up time to time very cheap.

the idea of std suspension arms is a bad idea, as most pepole know how thin the rear trailing arms are, and as for laminating them, we all know how legall welding suspension componets is. i cant see any advantage by having heavy duty off the shelf units. i think the brand selection needs to be broardened, as i cant see people wanting to replace what they allready have. and maybe look at opening it to na diesels

yeah the brand things gets me as once i get my cage i would comply with all if it wasn't restricted to brand i.e warn winch and such

As Pete said. the reason for no T/D is that you can get big power from them and thats not what we are trying to achieve. maybe a n/a TD42 would be ok , can look at that later on.
as for the suspension arms, this is another thing that will need careful consideration as the idea is to ensure wheel base doesnt alter .
the reason we are looking at being brand specific is that we can use this as bargaining power to get parts a little cheaper but most of all we can get some good sponsorship for the sport. aswell as making sure the cars are all capable and equally competitive.
The reason for GQ's is simple. they are strong and cheap.

I like the idea of levelling the playing field, but no matter how well you write rules, there will always be gamesmen looking to bend, stretch or cover up where they've broken the rules. The 99% who are willing to play by the rules will always be screwed over by the 1%.

Carby petrol sounds limiting. No LPG? No EFI? How well will GQ carbies work on the angles you're planning to use? Will there be a techno-race for tweaked carbies? Once you allow diesels in (NA or turbo) will the carby vehicles be disadvantaged?

Would it be feasible to limit boost on vehicles? Any turbo vehicle must install blow-off set to X psi? Sends up the cost again...

How about less restriction on the engines, and limiting drivetrains? No lockers, tyre restrictions like only 33" tyres, limited to "Mud Tyres" like BFG Muds, MT/Rs, MT/Zs, STTs etc, but not "Hardcore Tyres" like Simex, Claws, Boggers, Swampers etc.

Works for me, I just need a cage and I'm in

dogbreath_48 wrote:Why not open it up to other models with similar controls.

Equivalent models from other brands, if anything, would have a disadvantage compared to the benchmark (patrol).

Maybe Nissan Patrol Vs Ford Maverick????

Darren,

There's a similar thing being discussed in the Zook section at the moment, perhaps events could be run with similar guidelines?? even run the same day. I believe the main aim was to drive stuff in the Zook class as opposed to winching. This keeps the costs down further again.

krimnl wrote:....the reason we are looking at being brand specific is that we can use this as bargaining power to get parts a little cheaper but most of all we can get some good sponsorship for the sport.....

You're also wanting to get competitors.

A few quick notes
-Say Mr X has a GQ with a FAT or Cheezy front bar, he can't compete.

- You get event sponsorship by XX tyre company, but Mr X has just bought new tyres and they are the right size but not the right brand

- 6 point cage in a daily driver would be a PITA, if running 35's could this not be under CCDA regs for standard class / 4 point cage.

None of the above is intended to be negative, in fact i thing it's a great thing (apart from being GQ only). There needs to be more events aimed at entry level/low budget guys.

Next thing you know we'll have All terrain events in VIC that don't favour cars with fast winches

sierrajim wrote:

dogbreath_48 wrote:Why not open it up to other models with similar controls.

Equivalent models from other brands, if anything, would have a disadvantage compared to the benchmark (patrol).

Maybe Nissan Patrol Vs Ford Maverick????

Darren,

There's a similar thing being discussed in the Zook section at the moment, perhaps events could be run with similar guidelines?? even run the same day. I believe the main aim was to drive stuff in the Zook class as opposed to winching. This keeps the costs down further again.

you cant drive everything in OBC or Cliffhanger . thats the sort of events we would want to be doing.


as for the GQ carbies, we ran with the 10 years ago without any problems, as soon as you efi or turbo the cost climb . and it becomes chq book racing again.

as for bending the rules, i have the rule in mind to stop that happening but i will leave that under my belt for now.

Sounds to me like a good idea for people trying to crack into the race scene. I reckon you should allow n/a deisels though and factory efi. Strengthening of trailing arms, steering components, etc. should be allowed also as this is to help prevent breakages, not give a performance 'edge'.

If it's std vehicles you're after then outlaw the 4.6 ratio diffs, not a std tb42e or td42 engine. If their all struggling to turn the 35's with 3.9 and 4.1 diffs then those wearing 33's will still remain competitive

my petrol GQ never had a prob on any angle. the GQ class is an awesome idea which id even look at getting another GQ for. to compete in the other classes with rules that dont seem to be enforced and who has the most money wins. the option between N/A diesel and N/A petrol should be a personal choice like having an auto or manual.each motor has an advantage over the other.the option of having snorkels ,exhausts or reinforcing the lower control arms should be the owners purely as a reliability /cost issue. running one brand of susp / tyres like HQ racing would be brilliant. ths sort of racing is giving the sport back to the real people who want to compete but cant afford to have 100G trucks sitting in the drive.and being so level it comes down to DRIVER AND NAVI SKILL not bank balance. i think to save hassle keep it class based but thats not to say cruiser / suzi / pajero etc people cant do the same thing and kep it amongst there selves.

gqpete wrote:im with you darren, count me in

muduppig wrote:need the diesel option for sure pettys are crap
and most people i know would have to either down grade there trucks or build one to suit anyway due to most people that are even thinking about comps have already gone past stages of mods you are asking

the hole idea of no turbo deisel is so people dont turn up with 200rwkw deisels against carbys. what we want is a level playing feild ( ie carbys, no chops etc ) so we can bring the driver/navi skill back into it. how you win is to outdrive not outspend your competition. it is cheap option cause GQ's pop up time to time very cheap.

at what point did i say turbo diesel :roll:if you want stock rollers why not add in mqs and mks also

it wouldnt be hard to check trailing arm length, all you would need is a stick the right length, if there longer or shorter there out. why not allow cut down bodies, as there is no diffence between a cut down wagon into a ute compared to a factory ute.

the idea here is to allow for most the weekend worriers that have this set up now to come racing .and be competitive.
the cars will look stock and having winches,tyres, and bars as controlled we will get great prices and push for better sponsorship.

we want is a level playing feild ( ie carbys, no chops etc ) so we can bring the driver/navi skill back into it. how you win is to outdrive not outspend your competition.

Top idea..........JSDOIT

BRING ON THE GQ CONTROLLED CLASS PLEASE....PLEASE...PLEASE....IT WILL BE AWESOME.EACH AND EVERY TRUCK WILL BE SPONSORED TO A CERTAIN DEGREE WITH THE ONE TYRE AND SUSP SPONSOR GIVING A SET SPECIAL PRICE FOR VEHICLES REGISTRED AS A GQ CONTROL CLASS COMPETITOR

sounds like a great idea to me. i recon limit it to stock drive line with lockers. 2 inch spring n 2 inch body, bumpstop mods allowed. can do any thing you like to arms aslong as the retain all factory lengths and link setups. (eg 2deextreeme front arms are fine and superior rear arms) makes more reliable not more capable.
35 inch tyres of m/t type not extreme tyres. any form of locker you like is allowed (including welded rears). cab chops and sliders etc allowed. front bar anything you like. winches restricted to a set size motor and rated weight. all cage n safety gear compulsory

so essentially besides tyres the cars are perfectly road legal even in qld and could easily be built in a few weekends with a budget of under 10k

"2" suspension lift . 1 shocker per corner in original mounts
2 " body lift "


You realy want a car running 4" lift to be racing round corners?

but i just got rid of my gq, was over the rules anyway,

still i believe you should add in different makes too. That will make for better spectating. Might get sick of seeing only GQ's going around the tracks.

80 series, 60 series, jeeps, etc

striker99 wrote:"2" suspension lift . 1 shocker per corner in original mounts
2 " body lift "


You realy want a car running 4" lift to be racing round corners?

thats what we all race now around corners, no different.

I love it , also what about seat and carpet and all interior , can you strip it out . I agree , no diesel s the td 42 is a boat anchor anyway . Could be a turbo for sale soon and will be looking for a carbie .....

Excellent idea. The class almost discribes my GQ to a tee. Do you have to limit the suspension height (as mine is 3" + body lift) as the higher you go the worse the handling and no real advantage in the competion enviroment

bagsy wrote:I love it , also what about seat and carpet and all interior , can you strip it out . I agree , no diesel s the td 42 is a boat anchor anyway . Could be a turbo for sale soon and will be looking for a carbie .....

yeah bagsy, put the race truck away for the weekend and go stock rev limiter style racing (ie sandy bowman ) style for less than 10k. you can still get moving in a stocker

sounds cool, only problem is the downgrade to a datsun im in