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I want to get my hilux to felx what do i have to do..? it only has staned shocks and leafs its a 96 model and running on leafs how do i get flex..?

start by removing your 3 longest leaf and one of the shorter one in front and rear and see if that make a difference

Are you willing to purchase new suspension or are you looking at doing it on the cheap?

If you dont want to spend much money I suggest removing a leaf or two as previously suggested. If you want to take it further but still save some money I would look into fitting IFS rear leaf packs with 2" extended shackles, you will need longer shocks also.

Failing that, go get yourself an EFS 2" lift kit

what are they worth ruffly..?

or u could just do this





All work done Lukeys 4x4 Customs.
Soon to have a pardo rear diff with a "A" frame setup

He also has just finshed a another lux with a GQ rear diff and 80 serries front looks unreal and has big flex

nah thats going a bit to far for me lol

if i take leafs out will that make the height of the car drop..?

Thumper1 wrote:if i take leafs out will that make the height of the car drop..?

Not sure exactly i know it would drop significantly if you were towing something.

thats ok but i dont tow would i need bigger shocks as there all factory the back flex is not bad atm and the shocks extend a fair way but the front dont at all

Thumper1 wrote:thats ok but i dont tow would i need bigger shocks as there all factory the back flex is not bad atm and the shocks extend a fair way but the front dont at all

Asuming there long enough when you take the leafs out and flex it it would be fine.. just depends how much removing a few leafs lets it flex i guess.

cheers ill give it a go on the weekend

if you want to buy cheap but good shocks go series 2000 about 100 bucks each and do extend shackles but if u do front you might need drop down steering arm back is ok

If it's stock height and just fitting shackles i'd grab some flat ubolts just to reduce how much it will hit becasue they will hit when std when twited enough if you've never had you steering wheel lock up when flexed it hasn't been flexing that far

ok ill do that too..

DON'T do extended shackles or remove leaves on std springs!!!! Its all in the shocks.. However if you want to get cheap flex on a hilux put your rear leaves(remove the flat H/Duty leaves) in the front and re-drill your spring perches 35mm towards the rear which will move your diff forwards 35mm(you will also have to shorten the track bar by 35mm). Extend the front hangers by the difference between the flattened length of the front and rear springs. Get some std IFS hilux rears and remove the two H/Duty leaves. Put them in the rear and extend your shackles by the difference between your old rears and the new IFS ones. Get some rancho 5012's and measure the compressed length(you will need to make or have made new shock mounts made) to work out the positioning flex the truck up with no shocks in and from the bottom mounting possition you can then work out where the top mount will need to be. Make sure its fully flexed up (on the bump stops). A couple of more tricks to cheap flex is to get a die grinder and grind a shampher on the spring eyes. The other thing you can do is open up the leave retainers this will allow the pack to open up like a hand of cards. All this should cost no more than $600 if you can do most of the labour yourself. OH and by the way it will flex as much as in the photo's above and cost no where near as much

GOOD LUCK!!!

DR Frankenstine wrote:DON'T do extended shackles or remove leaves on std springs!!!! Its all in the shocks.. However if you want to get cheap flex on a hilux put your rear leaves(remove the flat H/Duty leaves) in the front and re-drill your spring perches 35mm towards the rear which will move your diff forwards 35mm(you will also have to shorten the track bar by 35mm). Extend the front hangers by the difference between the flattened length of the front and rear springs. Get some std IFS hilux rears and remove the two H/Duty leaves. Put them in the rear and extend your shackles by the difference between your old rears and the new IFS ones. Get some rancho 5012's and measure the compressed length(you will need to make or have made new shock mounts made) to work out the positioning flex the truck up with no shocks in and from the bottom mounting possition you can then work out where the top mount will need to be. Make sure its fully flexed up (on the bump stops). A couple of more tricks to cheap flex is to get a die grinder and grind a shampher on the spring eyes. The other thing you can do is open up the leave retainers this will allow the pack to open up like a hand of cards. All this should cost no more than $600 if you can do most of the labour yourself. OH and by the way it will flex as much as in the photo's above and cost no where near as much

GOOD LUCK!!!

The above pic is coil suspension i doubt you would get that good of modified stock leaf springs.

What a load of crap... Dollar for dollar leaves will out flex coils any day. The only time coils out flex leaves is when a heap of money is thrown at it. Now tell me this. You have a std leafer and a std equivallent coily You have $600 bucks to throw at it. Which will flex more
I REST MY CASE

DR Frankenstine wrote:What a load of crap... Dollar for dollar leaves will out flex coils any day. The only time coils out flex leaves is when a heap of money is thrown at it. Now tell me this. You have a std leafer and a std equivallent coily You have $600 bucks to throw at it. Which will flex more
I REST MY CASE

MM bundy with second hand ome 80 coils ome shox, remove 1 front and rear diff bolt.... dooh

Coils dont need to be expensive to install, if you have the time, fab skillz and are capable of working out your link geometry its not that expensive.

There is tons of info on here on how to get a leaf sprund hilux to flex, your best bet is to do rears up front, ifs in the rear and some custom shackles to make them work well. Be wary that for massive flex in your front end you will need x-over or high steer because the standard fore-aft steering link was never ment to travel this far.

Do some research on here and you cant fail.

uummmmmm coils. 4x18 inch shocks. i know what flexes better.

chunderlicious wrote:uummmmmm coils. 4x18 inch shocks. i know what flexes better.

Exactly... see im not totaly stupid people

DR Frankenstine wrote:DON'T do extended shackles or remove leaves on std springs!!!! Its all in the shocks.. However if you want to get cheap flex on a hilux put your rear leaves(remove the flat H/Duty leaves) in the front and re-drill your spring perches 35mm towards the rear which will move your diff forwards 35mm(you will also have to shorten the track bar by 35mm). Extend the front hangers by the difference between the flattened length of the front and rear springs. Get some std IFS hilux rears and remove the two H/Duty leaves. Put them in the rear and extend your shackles by the difference between your old rears and the new IFS ones. Get some rancho 5012's and measure the compressed length(you will need to make or have made new shock mounts made) to work out the positioning flex the truck up with no shocks in and from the bottom mounting possition you can then work out where the top mount will need to be. Make sure its fully flexed up (on the bump stops). A couple of more tricks to cheap flex is to get a die grinder and grind a shampher on the spring eyes. The other thing you can do is open up the leave retainers this will allow the pack to open up like a hand of cards. All this should cost no more than $600 if you can do most of the labour yourself. OH and by the way it will flex as much as in the photo's above and cost no where near as much

GOOD LUCK!!!

Mate I disagree with a few of your points. You can remove the shocks altogether and try and flex up stock hilux suspension and you will get bugger all compression as there is simply not enough weight in the back end of a tray back ute. The only real solution is add lots of weight or run softer packs. The easiest method is to remove one of the overload leaves. Opening the leaf retainer works quite well on the front but produces axle hop in the rear ( at least it does on my truck )

I agree with rears up front and IFS springs in the back, very cheap and sure fire way of getting decent flex

DR Frankenstine wrote:rear leaves(remove the flat H/Duty leaves) in the front and re-drill your spring perches 35mm towards the rear which will move your diff forwards 35mm(you will also have to shorten the track bar by 35mm).

WTF measure a rear pack from fixed pin end to centre bolt now measure the same on a front pack rears will be 50mm shorter. Which if my calculator don't lie it will be 85mm if it's still got a std draglink and it's getting shorted thats one short draglink and torque rod. another thing to do is piss the torque rod off when you get to where your going to wheel it helps but it will wrap the springs a bit when turning never had mine on it was driven for about a year and a good 6months daily driver and it didn't wreck the springs

Sic Lux wrote:

DR Frankenstine wrote:rear leaves(remove the flat H/Duty leaves) in the front and re-drill your spring perches 35mm towards the rear which will move your diff forwards 35mm(you will also have to shorten the track bar by 35mm).

WTF measure a rear pack from fixed pin end to centre bolt now measure the same on a front pack rears will be 50mm shorter. Which if my calculator don't lie it will be 85mm if it's still got a std draglink and it's getting shorted thats one short draglink and torque rod. another thing to do is piss the torque rod off when you get to where your going to wheel it helps but it will wrap the springs a bit when turning never had mine on it was driven for about a year and a good 6months daily driver and it didn't wreck the springs

Yep sorry you are correct when using the rear pack you don't have to move your diff forwards on the perch. you only do that when using original fronts. I stand corrected

Yeah mine has RUF and drop hanger pulled foward a bit but perdches are drilled so option is open for about 90mm which is bull there wont be any spring in front of the diff MMMM aproach angle also tailshaft spacer, longer shaft or Rhs shaft is needed.