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Doing some home work on what would work well behind my 302. Heard the c4 wont zap me of to much power. True or false I have noticed some of the trucks with Auto's are just slugs. What about the Nissan auto compared to the C4. My 4.5 patrol Auto is just a slug.

LudaCris

Pretty sure there are a few buggies running C4's in the US, but it's not the same use as winch comps.

I think that part of the problem with auto's is inadequate stall speed to get strong acceleration, but increasing stall has is own set of disadvantages.

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:Pretty sure there are a few buggies running C4's in the US, but it's not the same use as winch comps.

I think that part of the problem with auto's is inadequate stall speed to get strong acceleration, but increasing stall has is own set of disadvantages.

Steve.

I want to try and keep the acceleration of the manuel as much as possible. I suppose it comes down to the motor a lot. The 302 has a huge amount of punch from down low right through the rev range.

LudaCris

what about a newer falcon auto from the v8? do they bolt up? I know the motors are different. my xr6 auto shifts hard, although the stall is annoyingly high - the car will not support itself on the slightest of hills making 3 point turns a 2 footed affair!

Put a low stall converter (900-1000) and full manual and the usaul things to strenghten it and should be fine. Cheaper than the GQ by far

Try this guy he specialises is race setups for auto's
http://www.bmsproducts.com.au/

bru21 wrote:what about a newer falcon auto from the v8? do they bolt up? I know the motors are different. my xr6 auto shifts hard, although the stall is annoyingly high - the car will not support itself on the slightest of hills making 3 point turns a 2 footed affair!

The newer falcon V8 autos have a different bell bolt up patern to the old. Would be awsome though.

ludaCris

6.5 rangie wrote:Put a low stall converter (900-1000) and full manual and the usaul things to strenghten it and should be fine. Cheaper than the GQ by far

Low stall sucks for acceleration, not so good for comps

ludacris wrote:

bru21 wrote:what about a newer falcon auto from the v8? do they bolt up? I know the motors are different. my xr6 auto shifts hard, although the stall is annoyingly high - the car will not support itself on the slightest of hills making 3 point turns a 2 footed affair!

The newer falcon V8 autos have a different bell bolt up patern to the old. Would be awsome though.

ludaCris

Same pattern up until BA

cloughy wrote:

ludacris wrote:

bru21 wrote:what about a newer falcon auto from the v8? do they bolt up? I know the motors are different. my xr6 auto shifts hard, although the stall is annoyingly high - the car will not support itself on the slightest of hills making 3 point turns a 2 footed affair!

The newer falcon V8 autos have a different bell bolt up patern to the old. Would be awsome though.

ludaCris

Same pattern up until BA

I thought the bolt pattern was the same just the starter was different as it bolt on the outside of the bellhousing now

cloughy wrote:

6.5 rangie wrote:Put a low stall converter (900-1000) and full manual and the usaul things to strenghten it and should be fine. Cheaper than the GQ by far

Low stall sucks for acceleration, not so good for comps

Sorry used to mine, all the torque from the word go

6.5 rangie wrote:

cloughy wrote:

6.5 rangie wrote:Put a low stall converter (900-1000) and full manual and the usaul things to strenghten it and should be fine. Cheaper than the GQ by far

Low stall sucks for acceleration, not so good for comps

Sorry used to mine, all the torque from the word go

Different applications, you don't use yours in the bush

cloughy wrote:

6.5 rangie wrote:

cloughy wrote:

6.5 rangie wrote:Put a low stall converter (900-1000) and full manual and the usaul things to strenghten it and should be fine. Cheaper than the GQ by far

Low stall sucks for acceleration, not so good for comps

Sorry used to mine, all the torque from the word go

Different applications, you don't use yours in the bush

True, but it takes off pretty good driving in and out of the shed

6.5 rangie wrote:

cloughy wrote:

6.5 rangie wrote:

cloughy wrote:

6.5 rangie wrote:Put a low stall converter (900-1000) and full manual and the usaul things to strenghten it and should be fine. Cheaper than the GQ by far

Low stall sucks for acceleration, not so good for comps

Sorry used to mine, all the torque from the word go

Different applications, you don't use yours in the bush

True, but it takes off pretty good driving in and out of the shed

Modified Toy wrote:

cloughy wrote:

ludacris wrote:

bru21 wrote:what about a newer falcon auto from the v8? do they bolt up? I know the motors are different. my xr6 auto shifts hard, although the stall is annoyingly high - the car will not support itself on the slightest of hills making 3 point turns a 2 footed affair!

The newer falcon V8 autos have a different bell bolt up patern to the old. Would be awsome though.

ludaCris

Same pattern up until BA

I thought the bolt pattern was the same just the starter was different as it bolt on the outside of the bellhousing now

I will look into it as a 5 speed auto would be great. Although a lot more expensive to modify, purchase. As for the latest v 8's from ford, there are no adapters available as yet to bolt them to GQ boxes. So I am assuming that would be the same as bolting the newer boxes to a GQ transfer case.

LudaCris

ludacris wrote:Doing some home work on what would work well behind my 302. Heard the c4 wont zap me of to much power. True or false I have noticed some of the trucks with Auto's are just slugs. What about the Nissan auto compared to the C4. My 4.5 patrol Auto is just a slug.

LudaCris

From memory, back when i was playing with a TE cortina... the Borg Warner T35 was a stronger box than the C4

Spock

if you are doing the winch scene seriously then why not put in a NV4500 5 speed and a NP205 (twin sticked for front digs and tuff as nails)
then you get the 6.34:1 'granny' first and a 0.7:1 fifth so you crawl when req'd and put it in OD and get to the next obstacle!!

or

http://72.20.96.178/commerce/ccpc1041-1 ... 0-8410.htm
and out in a T700r4 and a GQ tcase at least then the auto has ~3.2:1 low adn a good Odrive for outback stuff. and a reverve pattern compression braking valve body is available!!!

Pinball wrote:
From memory, back when i was playing with a TE cortina... the Borg Warner T35 was a stronger box than the C4

Spock

Hell no the BW35 is one of the weakest boxes ford ever used.

Pinball wrote:

ludacris wrote:Doing some home work on what would work well behind my 302. Heard the c4 wont zap me of to much power. True or false I have noticed some of the trucks with Auto's are just slugs. What about the Nissan auto compared to the C4. My 4.5 patrol Auto is just a slug.

LudaCris

From memory, back when i was playing with a TE cortina... the Borg Warner T35 was a stronger box than the C4

Spock

RUFF wrote:

Pinball wrote:
From memory, back when i was playing with a TE cortina... the Borg Warner T35 was a stronger box than the C4

Spock

Hell no the BW35 is one of the weakest boxes ford ever used.

Yep it was weak on par with the Trimatic

C4 on par with a T350
C6 on par with a T400
BTR on par with a TH700R4/4L60E

Modified Toy wrote:
Yep it was weak on par with the Trimatic

C4 on par with a T350
C6 on par with a T400
BTR on par with a TH700R4/4L60E

Actually the Trimatic is a much more reliable box than the BW35.

Who does a C4 to Patrol Transfer case addapter?

I think that dellows would do one.

LudaCris

Mrs Ludacris wrote:I think that dellows would do one.

LudaCris

Be good if they did but there's none in their catalogue.

Pinball wrote:

ludacris wrote:Doing some home work on what would work well behind my 302. Heard the c4 wont zap me of to much power. True or false I have noticed some of the trucks with Auto's are just slugs. What about the Nissan auto compared to the C4. My 4.5 patrol Auto is just a slug.

LudaCris

From memory, back when i was playing with a TE cortina... the Borg Warner T35 was a stronger box than the C4

Spock

HAHAHAHA i've got 3 borg warners sitting here, i'll swap one straight out for a c4..

i'll even swap the one that works

chimpboy wrote:

Mrs Ludacris wrote:I think that dellows would do one.

LudaCris

Be good if they did but there's none in their catalogue.

I run a dellows C4 to Landcruiser 60's case. love it

The only person i would get to build me a C4 auto is Bob Grant he is the best around by far..

Grant Bob Automatics - Tansmissions Repairs..Transmssn Reprs 64 Cambridge St Coorparoo 4151 (07) 3394 2706

chimpboy wrote:

Mrs Ludacris wrote:I think that dellows would do one.

LudaCris

Be good if they did but there's none in their catalogue.

That would be a bugger. Might have to go with the patrol auto.

LudaCris

Do up an adapter yourself? i have a few C4s sitting here if youve got a GQ transfer. Then once a template is done i can get it laser cut?

nottie wrote:Do up an adapter yourself? i have a few C4s sitting here if youve got a GQ transfer. Then once a template is done i can get it laser cut?

You still want that bellhousing from rover to C4 that you wanted 6 months ago