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Would appreciate any input into which of the following two winches I should go for: Warn M8274-50 vs Ramsey RE10,000.

The truck in question is a 1992 Disco 5 door, usually heavy laden with tools, recovery equipment, camping equipment, used as a daily driver, a joy-tool, and geared for competition use in the near future. It will be sitting on 36" SX (32" TSL radials now), ARBs front/rear, XHD drivetrain, and custom bumpers.

I know that the hi-mount Warn has a lot of advantages, but I dislike two of its features:

1. I have heard of the brake assembly flying off under hard use. Safety for me is paramount.
2. It is rated at 8,000lbs. Granted, that may be enough, but this is borderline sometimes.

The RE10 is a great design, but SLOW.

Would appreciate any insight, or help, and any one who can refute the Warn disliked features. My heart is going for teh Warn, but then again, the winch is to save my ass, so that part will be choosing!

Cheers, and thanks in advance,

I have a disco as a daily driver and know how heavy they are, for this reason alone i would be going for the 10,000 ramsey.

The 8274 is a very fast winch ( i use one on my hilux for comps) but i think would be under powered for you.

If you want to get a WARN then why not get one of the heavier models like a 10000 pound Low mount WARN.

I know ARB reconmends nothing less than 10000 for a landcruiser or nissan patrol so i would imagine a disco would be the same.

As for reliability my 8274 was one of the first ever made and is still going strong and i have never seen a well maintained WARN fail.

Of course all winches may fail at some stage but that is usually because of lack of maintenace or overloading

Check the tradingpost, I got a 10,000 Warn Low for $1200, with new controller box and cable.

bogged wrote:Check the tradingpost, I got a 10,000 Warn Low for $1200, with new controller box and cable.

You didn't see where he is from did you

By the way my 8274 High mount cost me $150.00

Yeah...not from around there... ...although, it is a plan to visit the great Outback and other places..."only continent I haven't been to..."

Anyways, yeah, the Disco is a heavy heap of mass, so the 10,000 seems smart. I am trying to stray away from planetaries, as I do not like the initial design, the spur and worm gears are much better...

The cost of both of these winches is almost the same, and the bumper is going to be custom made, so both can be accepted. I just need a "Devil's advocate" to point the bad things of each of these winches from experience, as all I have is some of the Warn, and none of the Ramsey...

Thanks for the prompt responses, hope they keep coming with nore enlightenments...

Cheers

Ok a 8000lb might be to small for you and a 10 000lb is way to slow for comps. So what about a warn low mount 9500lb HS. They have a no load speed of 62 ft/min as to the high mounts 73.4 ft/min and then at 6000lb line pull the 9500lb has 9.31ft/min and the high mount has 9.50ft/min.

I think that this winch would be more then adequite for your needs and will also suit you when you want to start doing comps.

I myself am buying a new winch for my lux very soon. I will be buying either a 8000lb high mount or more then likely a 9500lb HS as it will fit on my lux easier then a high mount and is about $500 cheaper. Plus the ratings aren`t that much different. About the only benefit I can see with a high mount over the 9500 HS is it is much easier to modify the free spool for incab opperation.

Oh and about the Ramsey winchs, I know someone that bought a 9000lb HS ramsey winch new and within 2 years it was completely fark inside, to the point of needing a new motor.

Look at it this way, which one has more sales every year? Now why do you think this is? Personly I`d never buy anything other than a Warn winch.

Fark it scares me when I agree with Guts - but to be honest I do agree completely with his 9500hs recommendation & I'm not a Ramsey fan either....

I'd still go with the 8274, Its very popular in competitions because its fast but also its probably one of the most reliable winches you can get. Since you are not competing then the speed is not the issue so when you get really stuck use a pully block = 16000lbs

My high mount is over 30 years old (actually 8074) and with new brushes and bearings its going like a rocket

My 2c

8274-50

the yanks use them on fullsize chevs and suburbans, in big snow drifts and stuff

i use a 8274 on my landcruiser 4700lbs it weighs too!!

i am not sure what you weigh in at

also there is a simple mod to the 8274 to stop the brake flying off under load and to stop the freespool lever coming out too!

this is the way the winch challenge guys fix thier winches!

so just do this simple mod and you are right!

last one

i did a full write up for this on another site, easy to find with a search

couldnt be assed doing all the words again

the high mount and a pulley block!!

Give us the link BJ

hey trickster, it only works for an 8274

try landcruiser section on pirate4x4.com

cheers
bj

Thanks guys for the informative responses.

I will be getting the M8274-50 for the front, as it has the right qualities I need. The RE10 I will probably install in the rear, since the worm/gear design is self-braking in design.

I have only heard of the hi-mount modifications coming from Aust./NZ, and not for the US, are these mods imperative, or can I run a 'stock' M8274-50?

Thanks again for all the inshights, and if any other info is available, I'll be very much appreciative!

Most of the mods are for competition users, the ones I have seen are:
Either split pin or a remote air drive for freewheel
Forced air cooling for the winch motor
Modified brake
Extra bracing behind the drum

Some of the guys are pulling 2-3 tonne

My old 8074 is to save my butt not competition and is working very well in factory form

Suprahead...

I guess that is what I will be doing. Until I will ind the need for it, I will keep the front 8274-50 stock.

However, since I intend to run 2 winches (with the RE10 in the back, install mid-ship), then I am seriously thinking of getting the polyutherene (or was that the material for the bushes?) rope and aluminium fairlead (from Spidertrax).

Thanks again guys, and a Happy New Years to All...

Plasma Rope i think is what you mean. The only prob with this is you cant leave it on the spool if its wet. It must be dry when stored and kept dry.

Yeah, that is it, Plasma Rope...

OK, excuse the 5-year-old-type question...

"But what if it is raining?"...

Yeah exactly if its raining it becomes a prob.

I could be totaly wrong with this but its just what i have been told about this Plasma Rope.
Maybe someone here has experiance with it?

I know the winch challenge guys replace it after every comp usually.

Hey BJ

hey trickster, it only works for an 8274

try landcruiser section on pirate4x4.com

cheers
bj

I know that, i've got an 8274

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Cheers,

Carl

Carl...

Hehehe...that is sweet, I guess there is no one here visiting the site from Saudi but me, so "I" am at #6... :o

Well, Nature has been in my blood since age 5, the VW beetle at 14, the Disco at 19, and now the Patrol at 24, so I guess I am a freak!

Anyways, needless to say, the site rocks.... , and your inputs are a blessing!