Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Hi all

Just a quick question to any of you that have had the experiance with upgrading the abysmal standard H4 RR 92 headlighhts. I am being offered two options and wanted to get an idea if any one had done either and had reasonable results.
option 1 - Full headlight replacement with relays and globes from ARB $350 or there abouts
option 2 - Super Lowbeam "Fat Boy " globe upgrade DIY with no need for Loom changes relays etc. $ 159 per pair.

Obviiousl;y option 2 sounds better in terms of cost and no fuss, and of course the two ARB reps ( differnt stores ) said thay have had great results. 190Watt Super low and 140 high Beam.

Any preferences

Thanks

Hi Dan,

AFAIK there are legal wattage limits for high and low beam. (Someone will know).

There is a recent thread on aulro about HID replacements for H4's and spotlight globes. Cost about $130 for spots and $150 for H4's direct from China. Makes for interesting reading.

I'd be interested in H4 and spotlight HID set-ups but don't want to go through the ebay / import system.

Anyone out in Oz there selling HID's at a reasonable price?


DL

Unlkess you want to cook the headlight switch i would be going for a wiring upgrade before doing anything, do a search on - www.aulro.com.au
Drifesafe (username) produces upgrade looms for a very reasonable price and will give you a great improvement with just the factory lights .

I ran 90w/130w h4's in my old rangie and they where great. i an 1 h/beam relay and 1 low beam relay and a fuse for each,was very simple to wire in and worked extremely well. I'd be a bit dubious about ebay/chinese HID in case you run into dramas down the track....

Thanks all for your tips , I think the fat boy globe option could be an issue based on the lack of comittiment from ARB to say I wont cook my wiring if I put them in without the relays and loom. So Ill bite the bullet and get it done properly I guess.

Got any more info or a link to the FatBoy globe stuff? i might be interested in doing the same to my 93. Thos if your handy with a pair of side cutters and a multi meter you could do the 90/130 conversion for way less than that.

Hi,

Chinese HID link is http://www.hid-china.com and it looks like they do HID kits for GE and Philips, so they can't be all bad.

DL

Lucus wrote:Got any more info or a link to the FatBoy globe stuff? i might be interested in doing the same to my 93. Thos if your handy with a pair of side cutters and a multi meter you could do the 90/130 conversion for way less than that.

No more info sorry , I just phoned three ARB stores and asked them and they all had different ideas about the cooking aspect. I figure if none of them are happy to say it wont happen, and lets face it , RR standard wiring is not the most robust , then Ill get it done correctly.

I have run the ARB replacement wiring loom and 90/1130 lights for about 4 years and have only blown one bulb in the that time...no other problems.

This is not endorsing ARB products> I bought the kit when I first bought my Rangie and didn't do any research.

Cheers

Andrew

Loanrangie wrote:Unlkess you want to cook the headlight switch i would be going for a wiring upgrade before doing anything, do a search on - www.aulro.com.au
Drifesafe (username) produces upgrade looms for a very reasonable price and will give you a great improvement with just the factory lights .

I have this fitted to my Rangie. Great kit and excelent value for money as well. It all plugs into your existing headligh setup so you can remove it when you change vehicles without any butchering of the factory loom

Trav

G`day Dan

What DL says about legal wattage is true and what Luke says about doing yourself is true also .

The RR switch can/does burn out with the factory globes when fitted with 90/130 it`s only a matter of time .

No matter what globes run if relays are fitted the swich gives no problems and the lights will be much better .

Ours RR uses 2 twin fused " new era " relays the reason for 2 is that high and low left and right have seperate circuits ( four circuits ) four relays four fuses in total as well as the 4 fuses one in each circuit inbuilt in the car and uses basic 90/130 globes.

Some will say it`s over kill but it also has a pair of Cibies on it they are spread not distance and with it wired as it is are pretty much redundant .

A kit would be the easy way to do it , if you use adaptors for the head light connections you dont have to touch the car loom at all and the kit doesn`t need to be a brand name to be any good .

Cheers

Tell me about over kill Peter...at one stage i was running 6 relays as well i for each low beam, 1 for each high beam and one for each spotty. The only drama i had with it was fitting all the bloody power wires onto the allready over crowded +ve battery terminal!! Probably go do the same road with the 93 soon its lights are woeful.

The adaptors you mentioned did you go into the h4 plug with some spades of did you buy a proper male plug for the h4?

cheers

Luke

I've got an ARB headlight upgrade loom here, slab of Melbourne and its yours, just have to come pick it up

I make my own and its out of a wreck

Lucus wrote:Tell me about over kill Peter...at one stage i was running 6 relays as well i for each low beam, 1 for each high beam and one for each spotty. The only drama i had with it was fitting all the bloody power wires onto the allready over crowded +ve battery terminal!! Probably go do the same road with the 93 soon its lights are woeful.

The adaptors you mentioned did you go into the h4 plug with some spades of did you buy a proper male plug for the h4?

cheers

Luke

Hi luke i have the same problem with the +ve batt but there`s always the alt .

Ours has twin fans so another " new era " as well as a few other singles .

Living in the country can`t generally just walk in and buy things so adapt .

I would prefer to buy a male plug when i do it again but i used another H4 plug fitted with spades and siliconed and taped the 2 together .

I also always solder any bares and joints but this is coz i work on the water and salt soon teaches that , so away from salt it`s fool proof and when the RRs involved i only like doing things once if possible .

Cheers

peter r wrote:

Lucus wrote:Tell me about over kill Peter...at one stage i was running 6 relays as well i for each low beam, 1 for each high beam and one for each spotty. The only drama i had with it was fitting all the bloody power wires onto the allready over crowded +ve battery terminal!! Probably go do the same road with the 93 soon its lights are woeful.

The adaptors you mentioned did you go into the h4 plug with some spades of did you buy a proper male plug for the h4?

cheers

Luke

Hi luke i have the same problem with the +ve batt but there`s always the alt .

Ours has twin fans so another " new era " as well as about 7 signals more on the dual fuel .

Living in the country can`t generally just walk in and buy things so adapt .

I would prefer to buy a male plug when i do it again but i used another H4 plug fitted with spades and siliconed and taped the 2 together .

I also always solder any bares and joints but this is coz i work on the water and salt soon teaches that , so away from salt it`s fool proof and when the RRs involved i only like doing things once if possible .

Cheers

Near the Prom, where abouts, No wonder you have to make do

cloughy wrote:

peter r wrote:

Lucus wrote:Tell me about over kill Peter...at one stage i was running 6 relays as well i for each low beam, 1 for each high beam and one for each spotty. The only drama i had with it was fitting all the bloody power wires onto the allready over crowded +ve battery terminal!! Probably go do the same road with the 93 soon its lights are woeful.

The adaptors you mentioned did you go into the h4 plug with some spades of did you buy a proper male plug for the h4?

cheers

Luke

Hi luke i have the same problem with the +ve batt but there`s always the alt .

Ours has twin fans so another " new era " as well as about 7 signals more on the dual fuel .

Living in the country can`t generally just walk in and buy things so adapt .

I would prefer to buy a male plug when i do it again but i used another H4 plug fitted with spades and siliconed and taped the 2 together .

I also always solder any bares and joints but this is coz i work on the water and salt soon teaches that , so away from salt it`s fool proof and when the RRs involved i only like doing things once if possible .

Cheers

Near the Prom, where abouts, No wonder you have to make do

Just over the hill from you , maybe 50/60 ks

Foster? Toora? Welshpool??

Sorry mate ,

if i wanted all and sundry to know it`d be in my location .

Cheers

peter r wrote:Sorry mate ,

if i wanted all and sundry to know it`d be in my location .

Cheers

Deliverence country??

I converted my rangie to Narva 90/130's last night. Cost me about $60 in parts. I did use some terminals and wire i already had but i think you could easily do it for $75.

I measured the voltage at the lights before i started and with the battery voltage @ 12.6v i was down to 10.5v( ) at the lights. I added a relay for low beam and one for high beam. Low beam is fused at 20amps and high beam at 30 amps. I took the power supply for the lights from the back of the alternator. Quite easy it only took about 2 hours from start to finish.
(can post pics later on if anybody is interested)

The difference is incredible. i can actually see where i am going and the light is a brilliant white light. I desperatly need to get a headlight aligment done now.

Apart from that im 100% happy.